[Bad Trip Subthread] Have You Ever Had a Bad Trip?

[Demonslayer]

The night sky was the trigger that made mine go really REALLY bad.

The night sky is intense.

 

[adrian89987]

It is most definitely NOT possible to just snap out of it at certain doses. When These chemicals are in your brain it affects the way your neurons are firing, yes it is your brain, but it is working differently than normal.

 

[ControlDenied]

I agree. i cant imagine any dose of whatever benzo to really rip you out of an acid trip, bad or good

 

[Demonslayer]

It is most definitely NOT possible to just snap out of it at certain doses. When These chemicals are in your brain it affects the way your neurons are firing, yes it is your brain, but it is working differently than normal.

You've never experienced that a trip suddenly drops down to almost nothing because you have to speak with a parent, policeman or someone?
At really high doses I agree with you, but most people don't do heroic handfuls of shrooms.
I recently killed a perfectly good trip on 2g of liberty caps by sitting down at the computer and typing a answer in a discussion forum. The post was exellent and no-body would have suspected that it was written during a trip, but it really brought me right down to the level of a weed high.

 

[aquabat]

^^^ and you didn't go back up? Look the things produced by drugs are in your head I agree. But, in the sense of whether it is good or unsettling. You cannot just will a drug to stop having an effect on your mind. Especially not something as powerful as shrooms or mushrooms. I am sorry but I just do not believe you. I have a feeling others would agree.

 

[Pete Nasty]

tripping balls in a bad place

I have had two fucking horrible trips. It all started when i was at work...hence the title "tripping balls in a bad place". I was working security in a real desolate area and my shift started at 8:00 PM and ended at 6:00 AM. I was usually alone, but this night, i had 3 of my friends come and chill cuz we had all thrown in on a bunch of blotters. while each of the people i was with were eating one blotter, waiting 2 hours and then eating another one, i ate 4 and a half all at once, and to somebody whose only tripped on acid several times...yea i was in for it. Everything started out pretty fuckin funny, we were all laughing our asses off, waving ciggarettes in front of our faces and letting things start to happen. One thing led to another and everything started getting really, really loud and annoying...to where i was screaming at the top of my lungs at my best friends, telling them to shut the fuck up and all this. Everyone started seperately going nuts, we were all on different planets (me being the furthest away). Soon enough, a police officer shows up, asking us all kinds of crazy questions like "why are you guys here?" "what are you doing?" "what's in the cooler?" why is your friend in the middle of the street in a lawn chair? I am standing no farther than a foot away from the driver's side window of the cop car, trying to explain that i was running security and i was actually doing a pretty good job, considering that my heart was pounding soooo fast and this cop's face was growing and shrinking a vivid green beard, his eyes were acting like spinning globes, and his hand that was chillin on the car door had fingers that would stretch and reach the ground...which was waving profusely. ok, so while i was explaining what i was doing, my buddy that was sitting in the lawn chair in the middle of the road, starts looking around all crazy (he definitely looked like he was trippin) and he starts shouting "DUDE, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?" over and over again...i knew we were FUCKED...or atleast i was. The cop looks at me for a solid 5 seconds, then looks at my other buddy for another 5 seconds, and says "...umm...you guys have a good night, be safe..." i couldnt believe it. you would have thought things got better after the cop left, but they didnt...i was still so pissed at everyone i was with because they were all soooo incontrolable. the kid in the lawn chair pissed his pants because he thought nothing was real, his cousin kept phrasing and re-phrasing how he pissed himself and its all i heard for the rest of the night. somehow we all ended up at denny's around 7:00 AM and everything was alright, i was still trippin tho.

The other trip wasnt as bad, but it was under the influence of approx. 10-11 hits of blotter. to make a long story short, i was the only person tripping in a group of 12-15 people.

Acid is a very powerful thing...i wouldnt even call it a drug, cuz its just crazy. Ive watched grown men curl into the fetal position and cry harder than ive heard anyone cry...or scream for that matter, begging God to "make it stop, please make it stop". The only thing you can really do is ride the fuckin roller coaster man...you asked for crazy, and now you'll fuckin get crazy

 

[OrneTTe]

The only bad trip I have had were not because the were difficult mentally but rather had bad physical reactions such as neausea and vomiting from HBWR and mushrooms once. I have a lot of stomach problems so this helps explain that, but when you are tripping fairly hard and dry heaving for two hours, drinking water only to throw it back up was pretty unpleasant. I guess I'm not sure if that is a bad trip, but it was a bad time.

 

[Nwalmaer]

hmm sort of maybe not sure Im still working on that

Will right it up tommorow

 

[coelophysis]

You can snap right out of a trip with a little experience if the situation requires it. You just have to believe it's possible. It's your brain, you're in control, not the drug.
How come I can snap right out of a powerful shroom or LSD trip and talk normally to straight people?
If you can't do this then you must plan a trip a lot better than you did that time. How about taking a trip to the forrest with a tent and some good friends? The night sky is really awesome on a trip and no-one will come along to disturb you. Trip somewere you are in complete control of your surroundings. I usually trip alone to minimize any negative influence from other people.
If you have anti-drug people barging in on your trip, you obviously have not guarded yourself enough against things that will freak you out.

3.5 grams of cubensis should be managable in most settings if you know what you are doing.

Your attitude towards this is ridiculous. How can you just sit there and say it's your brain, not the drugs? How does that make any sense. There's a reason we're not always like that, our brain is reacting to the drug. If you can snap out of a powerful trip and talk normal to someone sober, then maybe you're just not getting that good of shit.
You shouldn't act so pompous, I bet I could drive you into a bad trip.

 

[Demonslayer]

^^^ and you didn't go back up? Look the things produced by drugs are in your head I agree. But, in the sense of whether it is good or unsettling. You cannot just will a drug to stop having an effect on your mind. Especially not something as powerful as shrooms or mushrooms. I am sorry but I just do not believe you. I have a feeling others would agree.

Psychedelics are influenced by set and setting. In this case the set was changed. I really don't care if you believe me, cause I know what I have experienced.
The effect can change significantly if you change your surroundings, like turning off the light, putting on some music, getting surrounded by negativly charged people ect. It can change to more powerful or less powerful. Just the fact that your mood changes can significantly alter a trip. When you're talking about bad trips this change is negative (often a self-substaining negative spiral), why can't you accept that a trip can be less powerful due to a change in focus or mood?

In this specific case I started writing just after the shrooms really kicked in, I didn't go up again becuase I spent the rest of the trip watching a documentary on TV. Had I however turned off the TV and the lights, I am sure it would have gone up again.
This is something I have experienced several times. Being at a party with people who only drink or who I know are negative to illegal drugs puts the brakes on my trip.
Getting tackled to the ground by the cops (who misstook me for someone else) also brought me right back to an almost sober state. By the way they probably did'nt suspect I was tripping, cause they never asked about it.
A trip is a very mouldable thing once you get to know the terrain, so if I feel it gets too powerful, I do things that I know will bring me down. A wank always works by the way.

 

[adrian89987]

I have been in many a mind state where I couldn't comprehend what talking to my mom is let alone attempt to do it, I might have been able to succeed for about 10 seconds before becoming lost in my puzzled out mind.

 

[Xorkoth]

You've never experienced that a trip suddenly drops down to almost nothing because you have to speak with a parent, policeman or someone?
At really high doses I agree with you, but most people don't do heroic handfuls of shrooms.
I recently killed a perfectly good trip on 2g of liberty caps by sitting down at the computer and typing a answer in a discussion forum. The post was exellent and no-body would have suspected that it was written during a trip, but it really brought me right down to the level of a weed high.

Something to consider is how much you trip and how experienced you are. After tripping hundreds of times with frequency, I can snap myself out of a trip pretty easily with most things and most doses. But whenh I started tripping, or really before I started tripping a lot, there was no way. When I tripped I would be completely immersed in another world, no chance of snapping out. No way.

Most people trip infrequently and have very immersive trips when they do it. Most people don't trip frequently, so they never get to that point. There is a really big difference.

I mean I have spent many a trip writing online and doing a damn good job of it if I do say so myself. Hell, half of my posts in the past few weeks have been under the influence of DOC. But back in the day before I started tripping a lot there was absolutely no way I could have done it.

 

[aquabat]

^^^ I could agree with that Xorkoth, now having tripped just a freaking ton and having the ability to do this can you honestly say you have never had a bad trip?

 

[Xorkoth]

Yes, I have never had a bad trip. I have had some frightening/terrifying trips, but all of them have left me with good aftereffects/impressions. I think some people let a bad experience get into their head way too much. When I've had negative/terrifying experiences, I am still always left feeling reborn afterwards. I've ever had trips where I seriously thought about killing myself to escape them, but after they were over I was glad to have had the experiences... they were some of my very most valuable. I haven't even had a totally negative one for... years. I've certainly had some rocky ones throughout the past couple of years. But no, I've never had a bad trip with negative aftereffects.

Last year I was tripping an insane amount, like up to 4 times a week, all year, and at least 2 times a week, mostly weekends, the year before that. At my worst I was using AMT almost every day for months.

Note that I do not at all recommend anyone trips this often. Aside from any potential lasting negative effects, which I was lucky to avoid, it really destroys the magic of psychedelics.

 

[aquabat]

I have never had a trip where suicide was an option, but what I'm saying is by standards of most people a bad trip is a terrifying one. Whether or not something good came from it doesn't mean it still wasn't bad. Lets say someone gets in a car wreck, and has a head injury. they go to the doctor and the doctor find a tumor operates and the tumor goes away. I don't care what anyone says the car wreck was still bad. No one wants a car wreck, no one wants a terrifying trip.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yes but what good does a car wreck do you? That's all bad. Whereas a terrifying trip can have a good outcome that teaches you a lot about yourself. We actually have a big thread about this. I think the term "bad trip" gets thrown around way too easily. Some trips are going to be terrifying... ego death is terrifying when it's never happened before. Hell, it's terrifying every time to me. But I wouldn't ever call an ego death trip a bad trip. However, some people can't come to terms with it and then they do call it a bad trip.

Most of my most valuable trips have been quite terrifying. But I would never take them back. Maybe I wouldn't have the balls to repeat the experiences, but I am forever glad the experiences happened. If you can't accept that you might get terrified, I might suggest not tripping in the first place. I always tell that to people who haven;t tripped yet but are ingterested. I tell them to remember that there might be points of complete terror where you would do anything to come down, but you need to push through them, mind over matter, to experience the gems that will also be offered to you.

I agree that no one wants a terrifying trip going into it. But to call it a bad trip just invites people to view it negatively when it could be viewed positively in retrospect and something could be gained from it.

 

[anonymous1419]

I can never say I have had a bad trip. I have had terrible and difficult experiences, but I always walked away knowing more about myself. Bad trips happen for a reason, and I always try and figure out that reason. There are no bad trips, only learning experiences.

I'm not sure I really agree with this. I recently tried shrooms for the first time (by myself, I know it was dumb, but I had just been arrested and was grounded and wasn't about to let them go to waste) and it was all fun for the first 2 hours, but the remainder of the trip involved me hardly being able to walk, and having millisecond-long fragmented series of really scary and random thoughts that were constantly changing.

At one point an image of me standing outside a hotel room blowing my fucking brains out with a gun appeared in my head for a second and I "felt" how I'd imagine it would feel to have a big bullet hole in your head and blood oozing out everywhere.

I proceeded to stay up until 5 AM, scared to fucking death until I eventually threw up all over my bed (I had no idea it was coming). At one point I was really considering waking my parents to tell them I had eaten shrooms and I was scared I'd be tripping forever. My sense of time was distorted so much that the whole night I was terrified of still tripping and having to go to work, which I didn't have until late in the afternoon (I ate them around 11).

Anyways, if I learned anything from that trip it was just that I shouldn't trip alone, and it was a terrible idea to do that in the wake of something like being arrested and when you have important things that need to be accomplished the next day such as work.

 

[Xorkoth]

See, I have never tripped the day after I was arrested and had to work the next day. I can imagine that causing a traumatic experience.

 

[aquabat]

the good thing from the car wreck was find the tumor. It was supposed to be a metaphor.

I don't know, I don't think this is something everyone will agree. On, I agree with your points, but I still think the trip its self is negative, whether or not you gain something from it.

 

[Xorkoth]

It's a matter of semantics then I suppose. I just find it useful to view things positively rather than negatively... it helps you be a happier person and derive usefulness out of more things. If you define something as negative beforehand, it is more likely to be a negative experience. If you think of a terrifying trip as negative, it will be more likely that you will be unable to weather through the scary parts successfully and still experience the positive parts. Every mushroom trip I've ever had (mushrooms are special to me and I haven't done them many times total) has been partly the worst experience of my life and partly the most sublime. The sooner I am able to remember that the bad parts will disappear, the sooner I am able to enjoy the sublime parts.