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Bad Sitter vs. No Sitter?

RhythmSpring

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I've been wanting to do DMT lately (and do it right), but all of the people who I would feel comfortable with tripping with are far, far away. There are a few people close by, however, that could sit for me, but for various reasons it might be a bad situation. One guy is experienced with psychedelics, but I find him really irritating. Another gal nearby I would feel very comfortable tripping with, but she says she's not in a good place lately and wouldn't feel comfortable holding the space for me, which I totally can respect.

Should I just do it alone? This isn't my first time doing DMT, but it's been a while, and I've never broken through, and I think I would like to have an immersive experience of some kind. I'm leaning towards doing it alone, but the closer I move toward that decision, the more anxious I get about the trip going wrong and me being mentally scarred or something.

Anyone have any tips for doing DMT alone, or would you advise against it?
 
I've done it alone but in retrospect it was not such a good idea, because at a later time when I blasted off even with someone present (but not keeping a very close eye on me) I managed to use a lighter that was apparently broken and it wouldn't go out. When I came to from the trance I was still holding it, and I don't fully recall what happened but I think I dropped it when it had a sort of flame-out / mini explosion and fortunately that pulled me out of the trip and gave me the presence of mind to deal with his couch and protect it against burns and stuff.
So I guess that shows what can go wrong. A very typical problem is breaking your pipe. But if you have bad luck you could set things on fire.

Maybe you can get an annoying sitter to keep an eye on you from a distance, not all up in your face waiting anxiously for you to do something weird.

I've also done I.M. 5-MeO-DMT alone, since it is not I.V. there is time to safely get the needle out and everything. I would do it again, but the thing I am scared of is not so much if I will be okay without a sitter but if it will keep giving me an overwhelming physical feeling of panic. From what I read that could be helped by using a higher dose, but you can imagine that is a worrisome solution. :D
I wanna finally do the I.M. synthetic DMT that is sitting in my fridge but yeah... shitting my pants a bit.
 
Can you speak to the differences in the trip itself, and what the psychological implications are of having a sitter present or not present? I'm confident that I can do it in a way that avoids any physical harm to my surroundings (or myself).
 
I'm all in favour of doing DMT alone, but that being said, the first times I did it, there was always someone present. For reasons detailed by Solipsis, it can be a good idea to have someone present to take your pipe and/or lighter when you're drifting off... and that usually happens quite quickly.

Because the experience is so short and intense, it can be very annoying to have someone close to you. When we do our little DMT ritual, the rule is that everybody who's not smoking stays quiet and still until the smoker has come back and has indicated he wants to talk. No sooner! I once smoked sitting on the same couch as a friend of mine, and each time he moved or shifted position or something really bugged me and didn't allow the experience to fully unfold. So what that in mind, I personally wouldn't like an annoying and experienced sitter.
 
I find dmt alone is better than with bad sitters.
You come to and they're instantly in your face, HOW WAS IT? YOU FUCKED? LOL AM I A LIZARD KEKEKE
I need tranquility in my DMT doses, as well I found it is a relatively safe drug to do alone.
If you breakthrough you won't be doing much moving anyway, and once you come too you shouldn't be to messed up that you're gonna want to jump out a window.
I've only seen very negative reactions in one very drunk dude who I assume had some mental issues, lets just say he didn't take very well and my jaw still hurts, although I feel bad for him.
It must suck being punched back very hard in the face and then thrown outside while on dmt
 
I don't really tend to associate with bad sitters, not to judge - it does make my social circle more limited - but people who have been present usually behaved themselves, the least initiated was my girlfriend at the time who knew just about nothing about psychedelics and she sat quietly in the corner while I had the most spiritually centered and stable DMT that I ever had.

On the other hand the nuisance would be mostly for the comedown since during the peak there is way too much dissociation for other people to matter.
 
I would always choose to trip with no sitter over a bad sitter for DMT at any level of experience. It is physically rather disabling and very shortlived so there is limited scope for negative interactions with one's surroundings and the sitter can do little for unpleasant emotional states during.

Help they might be able to offer afterwards depends on many variables but generally I think the opportunity to digest alone would be more useful than having someone who does not understand to discuss it with.
 
Solipsis said:
the least initiated was my girlfriend at the time who knew just about nothing about psychedelics and she sat quietly in the corner while I had the most spiritually centered and stable DMT that I ever had.
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This resonates with me. The girl has no experience with psychedelics, but we have deep affection for each other, and she is the serene type. She's very mellow and would definitely know how to be peaceful around me tripping. I have a very good feeling about having her sit for me.

Regardless, I did some today, but had a mild experience. : / Good thing I have more!
 
Did you at least get a feel for it? I love the geometrics from DMT and mainly how you don't have to work with or for them. As long as she's not in your face, she'll be good for you. Maybe you'll talk to po6 and be able to help her with her own headspace:)... You just need her there to make sure you don't burn your house down, but I have seen a couple of people blast and then immediately run out the door, resulting in a man search..other substances were involved in these cases though. May the force be with you:)
 
Yea some people seem to have remarkable motor control function on dmt, I'm the exact opposite.
When I do higher doses, but not quite breakthrough, I always want to get up an move, but ill lift one arm up in the air and realize its much to difficult, so I just lay back and enjoy everything
 
DMT makes me so lazy and tired too. Even after I'm back down, it's really hard to want to get off the couch. I actually am more energized afterwards if I use cannabis and DMT in a bowl together, rather than just freebasing or vaporizing it, but I feel like it has a groggy effect on the experience itself.
 
itsALLfake said:
Did you at least get a feel for it? I love the geometrics from DMT and mainly how you don't have to work with or for them. As long as she's not in your face, she'll be good for you. Maybe you'll talk to po6 and be able to help her with her own headspace:)... You just need her there to make sure you don't burn your house down, but I have seen a couple of people blast and then immediately run out the door, resulting in a man search..other substances were involved in these cases though. May the force be with you:)
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you spelled god...upsidedown?

I got the feel for it. I get energized, at least mentally. In fact, the afterglow is kind of better than the experience itself in this case, I think because during the experience, I am focusing *too* hard on my experience. And then after, when I'm like "alright it's over," I relax and THEN the wisdom starts seeping in.

But it was definitely muted. Will try again and report back.
 
You are definitely right that the afterglow is better, especially at low doses.
At very high or breakthrough doses it's a toss up, the coming back to reality can be an EXTREMELY intriguing beautiful experience, and how very thing looks afterwards is unbelievably stunning, distorted, beautiful, warped, and colourful in a way that is completely unlike any psychedelic I've tried
But the afterglow from these experiences is much stronger as well, so euphoric and positive and introspective
 
I never really understood the whole you need to have a trip sitter thing, unless you just don't like tripping alone or something. I find it hard to hold any type of conversation with some who isn't tripping when I am unless they've naturally got a mind to understand trippy things, your trippy observations and rambling, which in that case they did most likely would be tripping with me. It can just get a little awkward being completely on cloud 9 and you can tell the other person isn't so you try and bring yourself down a bit. Things like dmt and ketamine are easy to do alone because they completely consume you and I'm one of those people who after they take a hit of dmt needs to lay down and just go into my own little world, plus the short duration.
 
Things like dmt and ketamine are easy to do alone because they completely consume you and I'm one of those people who after they take a hit of dmt needs to lay down and just go into my own little world, plus the short duration.
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Lots of people *don't* lust lay there, that's the problem. And what happens if you try a new drug, have a bad reaction and are too fucked up to call for help? What about situations like MDPV causing compulsive redosing - is it not better to have a sober person to enforce your promises?

I agree that a bad sitter can be a lead anchor for a trip. Most people take psychedelic drugs at least partly for the experience, and when you have other people intruding on what is supposed to be a journey of your mind it defeats the entire purpose.

It all depends on who's taking the drugs and what drugs they are, though. The bad sitter that saves someone's life is a better situation than a good tripper dying from a preventable accident.
 
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Lots of people *don't* lust lay there, that's the problem. And what happens if you try a new drug, have a bad reaction and are too fucked up to call for help? What about situations like MDPV causing compulsive redosing - is it not better to have a sober person to enforce your promises?

I agree that a bad sitter can be a lead anchor for a trip. Most people take psychedelic drugs at least partly for the experience, and when you have other people intruding on what is supposed to be a journey of your mind it defeats the entire purpose.

It all depends on who's taking the drugs and what drugs they are, though. The bad sitter that saves someone's life is a better situation than a good tripper dying from a preventable accident.
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Ha, I was just going to come into this thread and post that it seems stimulant users need a trip sitter a lot more than psychedelic users!
 
No sitter > sitter you don't like

If you have a bad experience you want someone you can confide in. Otherwise there is no point.
 
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