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Bad idea to give a dealer YOUR number?

Iz the Wiz

Iz the Wiz

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In terms of if the dealer gets busted, and in my situation it's only going to be a small time dealer, is it going to come back to me simply because my number is in their phone?

I mean I know they can't prove I've done anything illegal at all just beause they have my number, but will they put my name down or even try to investigate me?

I know this isn't an easy question to answer, but has anyone had any experiences relating to this? I'm just starting to feel slightly paranoid.
 
It's hard to say what they might do, so look at the facts only. If the dealer does not have your number, then the police will not come after you. Other than that, anything is possible. If you're paranoid, then don't give out your number. Besides, it doesn't hurt to be paranoid sometimes.
 
There are a few things you may have overlooked.

1. If the police obtain call logs from the dealers mobile phone company, it doesn't matter if you are stored on the handset or not. If you have called them from any number traceable to you repeatedly, it is possible you could be involved.

2. If your dealer has a seperate phone for business, then all numbers on that phone are likely to raise suspicion.

I mean I know they can't prove I've done anything illegal at all just beause they have my number, but will they put my name down or even try to investigate me?
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I don't know how difficult it is to get a warrant, but they could use this information as a basis for obtaining it. If they did get it they could search your home, and possibly find drugs. They would probably try to obtain verbal evidence from you by bluffing something like "your dealer <name> has told us everything, tell us and we'll go easy on you" and we all know that you should just say "no comment" in that situation.

3. The police may not know if you are a buyer, an unwitting friend, or the supplier. Simply communicating with a dealer over an unencrypted medium such as a phone network makes it possible for communication to be intercepted.

All that being said I think it is unlikely that an end user would be targeted in a police operation, they would be more interested higher in the food chain.
 
It's not so much being busted that worries me. I'm only an occasional user of illegal substances, and even then it's in small amounts.

It's really just the thought of being "blacklisted" that scares me.

But really I assume if every person on every small time dealer's mobile phone was "blacklisted" or investigated, a lot of their friends who have nothing to do with their drug dealings would be getting involved.

And thanks for the replies guys.

And Cowboy, that's a good point about call-tracing. I have not yet given a phone call to this person. Nor am I going to mention anything illegal when I ring this person (If I ever even do), so I guess I'm safe on that level.
 
It is possible that you could be flagged, but you arn't convicted of anything so what does it matter? It would be drainging on police resources to continually monitor and follow up numbers, but that's not to say it isn't done. I have no idea how many numbers the police could potentially look into. If you are just some small time user as you claim, then the most you could be done for is possession. I don't think you have much to worry about.
 
i once was on a jury for a guy caught with some speed and some pills. They didn't mention phone calls at all, but the guy did have a list of first names/nicknames with numbers after them (supposedly monitary amounts) and they used this as evidence. Some of the people who were witnesses had the same first names as the people on the list, and they made the assumption that these people were involved too... in the end though, the police really wouldn't bother going for the users, only the dealers. On the other hand, if your dealer was calling YOU all the time... they might suspect that you're your dealer's supplier.... once again, i think they'd be looking for a little more evidence than this.... i think you're pretty safe... so long as you don't start SMSing your deals... *rolling eyes* people who do that are crazy...
 
Dont worry mate... My mates dealer got busted,my mate had recieved a call from a payphone from his dealer saying he haid seen way to many blue lights which was a code anyways a week later my mate got a mysterious phone call asking if they could score pills <-- ahahha the stupid pigs rang everyone in his phonebook asking for pills,and another thing they do keep all names and phone numbers in the database which means if your name or number happens to appear in another persons mobile phone who was arrested for similar offences then the heat might head yor way...


best thing to do dont give your number out to dealers especially if they are very open with their drug dealings in the open eye of the public.A paranoid dealer is a smart dealer in my books...

K!NGP!N
 
I don't know if there is something like a black list but my dealer got busted a while back and everytime i get pulled over for a traffic offence since that time my car get searched.........
 
VelocideX said:
From memory the phone companies are now keeping all SMS messages for a 12 month period. Police can't get access to them without a warrant, but still worth remembering...
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yep they sure are keeping SMS for 12 months...also if the police see your car and decide to do a check on the plates and you have been done for drugs before then expect to get searched......All i can say is this .. if your Dealer gets busted and your numbers in his phone then dont be suprised if u get a call asking to score a couple days later and in some cases if the person that got busted didnt have enough drugs to be charged with trafficking then they will start calling everyone on his phone.

My best advice,If you ever get a call from a stranger then act very stupid,even if they say nar man blah blah said it would be ok if i called as thats how the boys in blue do things.. ;-)

Cops are Tops ;-)
 
Can I ask if your going to claim something as fact to back it up with a source or reference. Saying I heard or I think a friend of mine read it somewhere isn't concrete enough.
 
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what im pretty sure they will do is plant an uncercover cop in the situation, get to know the guys who will obvisouly introduce them to newer dealers, than crack the whole ring.
 
Hi guys i got this email back after i contacted telstra,


Dear Customer

Thank you for your email dated 28/4/05, regarding SMS messages.

Our system stores the content of the SMS message for up to one week, depending on the number
of additional SMS messages sent (once a certain number of SMS messages are sent, earlier
ones are deleted). Our system does keeps the a records of the sender of the SMS message, the
time the SMS message was sent and details of the recipient of the SMS message for 7 years
for billing records.

If it is requested to retrieved the content of SMS messages from our system is a difficult
process. We do not retrieve the content of SMS messages from our system upon general
request.

In the case of a third party being able to access this type of information, again it is not
available by general request to either the legal Owner or any other person authorised to
have access to your account. The only time that details of this nature can be be released
would be if this request has been made for Legal Purposes. In a case such as this there is
a process that needs to be followed and if a subpoena is issued on Telstra, Telstra is
legally obliged to take all reasonable steps to locate and produce the information requested
in the subpoena.

I hope this information is of assistance and thank you for using Telstra Online services.

Please do not hesitate to contact us on 125 111 (a 24 hour/7 days per week service which is
a 25 cent call from any Telstra service including mobiles, except via Telecard) or via
www.telstra.com if you require further information or assistance.
 
indeed.

I had dinner with a lawyer the other night. I can assure you that it can take less that 20 minutes to subpoena your phone records AND their content. It's extremely unwise to send any incriminating message particualary MMS through the networks.

The funniest story was a 20 year old guy who had MMS'ed his friend a picture of him holding a stick of bud a foot and a half long. He was holding it up and pretending to eat it, as if it were fish. When the judge asked him to explain what that was and what he was doing my firend couldnt help but burst out laughing at the photo in court.

As for the storage capacity I understand that despite the legislation/regulations the information will be kept indefinately.
 
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