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Ayahuasca to nauseating to tolerate: Would Pure extraction make any difference?

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Hello. Some guy took plain boiled mimosa bark with Syrian Rue and the nausea and dizzyness was so severe that even opening the eyes was too disorienting and painful. This lasted 12 hours and the physical discomfort dominated the "trip".

So I'm wondering, would this nausea decrease at all with pharmahuasca or pure extraction of some kind? Or do people experience the nausea even with pure DMT?
 
As I understand it, most of the nausea comes from tannins in the mimosa bark, as well as the harmala itself from rue. The tannins are said to be almost impossible to hold down and one of the most nauseating things you can consume, so yes, a better tek that purifies them out or pharmahuasca should certainly help a lot. I believe using a more selective MAOI may also help - from my understanding, harmala is thought to be active beyond just its MAO-A and -B inhibitory properties and I think some people find it a bit nauseating on its own.

Anyway, the use of plain mimosa tea as opposed to some sort of extraction is probably the big culprit. There are teks to purify tannins out of the tea (I think they typically involve using gelatin somehow?) without doing a full DMT extraction tek, as well.
 
No, the tannins have fuck all to do with it. Even if you use moclobemide and the purest extracted DMT possible when the DMT hits your stomach after about 20 minutes you're puking up pigs in a blanket like a sick fucking dog.

And it's not the moclobemide - you can eat moclobemide till the cows come home and never feel any nausea. Something happens when the DMT hits your stomach - whether it's the strong alkaline irritating your stomach, or the release of serotonin from the moclobomide combining with the DMT.

The "best" solution I've found is mixing the DMT with about a pint of coca-cola which converts the DMT to DMT phosphate which is a less nauseating. But that only works a few times - after a few times just the smell of the coco-cola makes you want to start vomiting and the nausea comes back just as bad.

But some people have strong stomachs and don't have a problem.

I've tried to think of a way of putting the DMT freebase up my arsehole but it's such a strong alkaline you would probably end up shitting blood and having to go to the doctors for treatment. Try explaining that to the doctor.
 
Ismene said:
No, the tannins have fuck all to do with it. Even if you use moclobemide and the purest extracted DMT possible when the DMT hits your stomach after about 20 minutes you're puking up pigs in a blanket like a sick fucking dog.

And it's not the moclobemide - you can eat moclobemide till the cows come home and never feel any nausea. Something happens when the DMT hits your stomach - whether it's the strong alkaline irritating your stomach, or the release of serotonin from the moclobomide combining with the DMT.

The "best" solution I've found is mixing the DMT with about a pint of coca-cola which converts the DMT to DMT phosphate which is a less nauseating. But that only works a few times - after a few times just the smell of the coco-cola makes you want to start vomiting and the nausea comes back just as bad.

But some people have strong stomachs and don't have a problem.

I've tried to think of a way of putting the DMT freebase up my arsehole but it's such a strong alkaline you would probably end up shitting blood and having to go to the doctors for treatment. Try explaining that to the doctor.
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I have a weak stomach and I have noticed that if I adhere to a good diet before hand I tend to have minimal nausea, the "purging" is short lived and intense but no real nausea. And I have experienced far less nausea with extracted vs. teas.
 
IMO, using extraction does reduce nausea but does not completely eliminate it. I have a weak stomach but have taken small doses of rue and dmt extract with out throwing up. There was still nausea that subsided an hour and a half after ingestion. Any medium and higher dose would cause me to vomit but than there is no nausea after the purge and I feel like I released all my negative feelings with it. At this point it feels impossible to have a bad trip. Never tried tea though in a tradition form because I can not consume it no matter how hard I tried.
 
I can't relate it to as a "purge" at all - I just see it as something irritating your stomach.
 
Maybe I'll reconsider and use synthetic DMT for my first oral DMT trip...
The cola phosphoric acid method sounds good.
 
In other threads regarding psychedelics and nausea people have recommended ondansetron (not the name of a break-dancing transformer but I think it should be!). It's a 5-HT3 antagonist that'll plug up the receptors in your stomach that psychedelics bind to when they cause nausea. Or so the story goes. More reasonably priced brands are said to be available outside of the first world.

Also, boiling down the mimosa tea until its flaky, scrapping it up into dust, and stuffing it in capsules makes for a more gradual onset. I've never vomited from using ayahuasca via this more gentle and longer-lasting method. Use lower heat once it starts getting syrupy to avoid burning.
 
Solipsis said:
Maybe I'll reconsider and use synthetic DMT for my first oral DMT trip...
The cola phosphoric acid method sounds good.
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It's the best thing I ever found but sorry to say that after perhaps half a dozen trips it stops working and the nausea comes back...

...and you're puking up pigs in a blanket like a sick fucking dog again (sorry frenchmachine).
 
Are you using fresh caapi and psychotria viridis leafs ONLY?

Other wise it's going to be pure shit and make you very sick... tho it will make you trip.

Mimosa + Syrian Rue = Puke-City
 
Thanks everyone. I have now determined that unregulated Syrian Rue with Mimosa is the worst way (for your body) to get a dmt high. At first I thought this was the best way bc I read these ingredients have the highest amounts of active chemcials. But I underestimated their insane pukability. I would have never imagined it being that bad.

After several hours I wondered if the severe dizzyness had something to do with the maoi. Many years ago I was on SSRI's and if I stopped taking them, I would get severely dizzy.... although not even close to this dizzy. The trip I took on mimosa and rue was the worst physical experience of my life and I will never do it again.
 
yes
definitely yes

if you don;t have much time, you can at least extract the peganum, which is quickly done
 
Caapi contains THH (tetrahydroharmine) which is the "magic" in caapi.

Syrian Rue does NOT contain THH and has compounds that will make you nauseous.

Always use Caapi!

Syrian Rue is good for smoking however (like on mushrooms).
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
Caapi contains THH (tetrahydroharmine) which is the "magic" in caapi.

Syrian Rue does NOT contain THH.
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1841 - German chemist H. Goebel first isolates and names harmaline in an extract from Peganum harmala.
1847 - German chemist J. Fritzsche first isolates and names harmine from P. harmala.
1901 - Fischer isolates and names harmalol from P. harmala.
1980 - Allen & Holmstedt publish the presence of harmol, ruine, dihydroruine, and tetrahydroharmine in P. harmala seeds.
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don't jump too quickly on the "without caapi it's not the same" bandwagon
 
ok your correct it has THH but look at the concentrations.

go read the posts at the nexus of people who've extracted all this shit

they find negligible amounts in syrian rue
 
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