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Avoiding dependence or addiction by switching drugs all the time?

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I see this in various places, but I'm leary of being addicted to a substance (which I think is a horrible physical and psychological state to end up in). On the other hand, I think the human mind in general likes new experiences and recreational chemical use is part of that (perhaps even a valuable dimension of that). The problem with chemical substances is that used repeatedly many will lead to dependence and then addiction, varying from person to person. I was thinking if you had like 30 different substances you could take each day the chances of dependence or addiction would be lower (zero I'd argue) but yet each of those 30 substances could be mood altering and let you explore your psyche better over time.

One probably couldn't stick to that (and perhaps people will not want to give up the last day's high for the next one), but it would I think give the experience one wants and yet let you "walk away" when needed (except walking away from desiring the general state of inebriation or mood alteration, but I argue that all human activity from eating to sleeping to excreting to sex to even work is a form of mood alteration).

So I was thinking it'd be fun to come up with such a list. I'm sticking to legally prescribed substances, just stuff the average person should be able to get and not worry about quality or getting into trouble with the law just for possession (but there's no real reason for this):

Day 1 - Opiate/opiods (why not start off big?)
Day 2 - Gabapentin
Day 3 - Benzodiazapenes
Day 4 - Muscle relaxers
Day 5 - Sedating antihistamines (you know some of these OTC ones can have a strong muscarnic receptor action at higher doses)
Day 6 - Marijuana (where medically prescribed?)
Day 7 - ?

I can't even make it to one week?

Some substances seem very benign though, like gapabentin, which probably qualifies as the drug of the decade for me, for its low dependence/addiction profile and yet great qualities (massive tolerance in days).

I think this is related to the wholistic way of doing medicine, i.e., some introspection of the psyche is constantly necessary. I think this is why we have see the success of mental health drugs (I don't think the issues they are addressing are new but rather they are doing something that was earlier handled by other methods).
 
none of those except maybe cannabis will help you explore your psyche... if you want to do so, look towards LSD, 2Cx, mushrooms, 4-ACO-DMt, MDMA, 5-MEO-DMT, JWH.....

I'm a big fan of psychedelics and I agree those substances are great for exploring the psyche in a deep "why do I exist" sense, but I was thinking of something more mundane, for use on a regular basis. Something for the average person to deal with their state of life as is, something like an antidepressant but just more effective. This is just my view as someone with very mild mood disorders but I've been helped by something like gabapentin and tramadol (and some of the psychedelics you mention above but not with regular use) more than any other mood stabilising substance I've been prescribed. Sometimes the users know what's better for them to keep them mentally fit.

Also I personally couldn't do any of those substances you list above more than a few times a year. Even from the list I gave, only two would work on a regular basis (the ones I mention above) and I've used them now and then without going through addiction or dependence (tramadol is OTC in some countries in the world) to either get me through a funk I couldn't extricate myself quickly from.

I also think there's a lot of value in life in going through the tough times and making it out successfully without the aid of chemical substances but I kind of feel I've paid my dues (though I don't necessarily believe everyone should do this, it's just the way it has worked for me).
 
none of those except maybe cannabis will help you explore your psyche... if you want to do so, look towards LSD, 2Cx, mushrooms, 4-ACO-DMt, MDMA, 5-MEO-DMT, JWH.....

BTW, I'd say gabapentin at high doses for me has had a similar effect as the MDMA/MDA/MDE experiences, at least their empathogenic aspects.
 
Prescription Drugs of Abuse w/ Marijuana...all that I can think of

Day 1: Benzodiazepines (Xanax, Klonopin)
Day 2: Pregabalin (Lyrica)
Day 3: Amphetamines (Adderall, Dexedrine)
Day 4: Opiates/Opioid (Morphine, Oxycodone)
Day 5: Methamphetamine (Desoxyn)
Day 6: Marijuana (Cannabis)
Day 7: Carisoprodol (Soma)
Day 8: Barbiturates (Phenobarbital, Secobarbital)
Day 9: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
Day 10: Ketamine (Ketaset, Ketalar) ...save the best for last
 
Prescription Drugs of Abuse w/ Marijuana...all that I can think of

Day 1: Benzodiazepines (Xanax, Klonopin)
Day 2: Pregabalin (Lyrica)
Day 3: Amphetamines (Adderall, Dexedrine)
Day 4: Opiates/Opioid (Morphine, Oxycodone)
Day 5: Methamphetamine (Desoxyn)
Day 6: Marijuana (Cannabis)
Day 7: Carisoprodol (Soma)
Day 8: Barbiturates (Phenobarbital, Secobarbital)
Day 9: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
Day 10: Ketamine (Ketaset, Ketalar) ...save the best for last

Fantastic. I've yet to even try days 8-10. I didn't think about order too much but you have an interesting up down/order. That's probably a good idea to maintain some semblance of "balance". We could even start adding dosages for different levels of experience, and come up with crazy months vs. more balanced months or something in between (and of course for days too). If a person were just doing this once a month, what dose would they need to (1) get high and feel good but still function; (2) get high and feel good and party but still in control and (3) get high and feel good and perhaps feel bad or awesome. It probably varies person to person but could you assume if one was doing these once a month, they're effectively naive? I know I can say for items 1-7.

This is great, I hope we can fill up a whole month.
 
Prescription Drugs of Abuse w/ Marijuana...all that I can think of

Day 1: Benzodiazepines (Xanax, Klonopin)
Day 2: Pregabalin (Lyrica)
Day 3: Amphetamines (Adderall, Dexedrine)
Day 4: Opiates/Opioid (Morphine, Oxycodone)
Day 5: Methamphetamine (Desoxyn)
Day 6: Marijuana (Cannabis)
Day 7: Carisoprodol (Soma)
Day 8: Barbiturates (Phenobarbital, Secobarbital)
Day 9: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
Day 10: Ketamine (Ketaset, Ketalar) ...save the best for last

yeha,

this will leave you feeling nasty, even if no addiction is occurring.....
 
It dangerous because you can end up with multiple addictions, but it can work. I don't have any highly specific schedule, but I switch drugs often (I like them all, lol) and use only pot (or jwh while on probation) on a daily basis. I'm addicted to drugs in general, but I don't have WD's from anything, and I've been doing this for over a decade.
 
There is a word made for this sort of cycles

Mixing your drugs or even replacing drugs for others is the whole definition of a narcomaniac. Narcomania and drug addiction go hand in hand

Best is not to have patterns and have a few days off in the week no matter how benign some of these drugs are. Just take them when you need them.
 
Hey i have a serious question about tramadol and oxycodone. ok i have a screw through my hip and femur bone so i have chronic pain. ive been on tons of diff. pain meds after my surgery. but then stopped for a bit. anyways i was prescribed 120 tramadol 50 mgs and told to take as needed for hip pain. taking three of them actually made me feel a bit high and itchy but didnt help with pain so next time we got my dr to prescribe oxycodone 5 mg pills. they gave me 40 a month at first. taking 2 -3 pills a day really helped my pain so sumtimes i would run out a little early. so my mom suggested to the doctor we go up on the amount of pils. the dr was being ivestigated by the dea and got mad at me and refused to right anymore oxy after i had been on it for 6 months. so i asked her for atleast sum tramadol and she gave me them.. the tramadol didnt work so good so i ussually had to take 4 - 8 and i always ran out early. but next time the dr upped my dose to 4 tramadols 50 mg each day. i started taking like 8 a day cuz that was what helped the pain. at first it made me high but it went away very fast after a few days of taking 8 a day.sumtimes it would make me throw up. anyways i continued taking 4-8 tramadols every day for 5 months. when i had no tramadol i would buy oxy off tha street, sumtimes tar to smoke, (rarely), and ussually i had a supply of 4 mg dilaudids which i took or snorted. when i didnt hav anything else sumtimes i took 10 mg methadone pills or went to the er to get a script for 30-50 percocet. it took about 6 percs to get me a little high. running out of tramadol and having nothing else was hell, it made me sick the tramadol has a very weird withdrawl. anyways on tha 5th month after they took away my oxy, i finally got to see a new dr. she gave me 90 of my old oxycodone 5 mgs. anyway in the past few days before i saw the dr i had been taking about 12 tramadols a day. now im off tramadol but i have to take 10 oxycodone 5 mg to even get the same effect as 12 tramadol? is that normal? does tramadol inccrease your opiate tolerance to oxycodone as well?
 
an occasional dose of ketamine would have a good reset effect.
not something I'd do every week, but if you are doing drugs each day of every month then an occasional dose of K could be beneficial. Not a binge dose just enough to reset your psyche.

regardless, I think there's bigger problems here. You may not be addicted to one particular drug, but you end up addicted to being on drugs, regardless of their stature. You lose the feeling of what sober means
 
I see this in various places, but I'm leary of being addicted to a substance (which I think is a horrible physical and psychological state to end up in). On the other hand, I think the human mind in general likes new experiences and recreational chemical use is part of that (perhaps even a valuable dimension of that). The problem with chemical substances is that used repeatedly many will lead to dependence and then addiction, varying from person to person. I was thinking if you had like 30 different substances you could take each day the chances of dependence or addiction would be lower (zero I'd argue) but yet each of those 30 substances could be mood altering and let you explore your psyche better over time.

One probably couldn't stick to that (and perhaps people will not want to give up the last day's high for the next one), but it would I think give the experience one wants and yet let you "walk away" when needed (except walking away from desiring the general state of inebriation or mood alteration, but I argue that all human activity from eating to sleeping to excreting to sex to even work is a form of mood alteration).

So I was thinking it'd be fun to come up with such a list. I'm sticking to legally prescribed substances, just stuff the average person should be able to get and not worry about quality or getting into trouble with the law just for possession (but there's no real reason for this):

Day 1 - Opiate/opiods (why not start off big?)
Day 2 - Gabapentin
Day 3 - Benzodiazapenes
Day 4 - Muscle relaxers
Day 5 - Sedating antihistamines (you know some of these OTC ones can have a strong muscarnic receptor action at higher doses)
Day 6 - Marijuana (where medically prescribed?)
Day 7 - ?

I can't even make it to one week?

Some substances seem very benign though, like gapabentin, which probably qualifies as the drug of the decade for me, for its low dependence/addiction profile and yet great qualities (massive tolerance in days).

I think this is related to the wholistic way of doing medicine, i.e., some introspection of the psyche is constantly necessary. I think this is why we have see the success of mental health drugs (I don't think the issues they are addressing are new but rather they are doing something that was earlier handled by other methods).

what you're explaining is just being a full blown drug addict on everything availible. Sorry, but that's quite dumb.
 
Hey i have a serious question about tramadol and oxycodone. ok i have a screw through my hip and femur bone so i have chronic pain. ive been on tons of diff. pain meds after my surgery. but then stopped for a bit. anyways i was prescribed 120 tramadol 50 mgs and told to take as needed for hip pain. taking three of them actually made me feel a bit high and itchy but didnt help with pain so next time we got my dr to prescribe oxycodone 5 mg pills. they gave me 40 a month at first. taking 2 -3 pills a day really helped my pain so sumtimes i would run out a little early. so my mom suggested to the doctor we go up on the amount of pils. the dr was being ivestigated by the dea and got mad at me and refused to right anymore oxy after i had been on it for 6 months. so i asked her for atleast sum tramadol and she gave me them.. the tramadol didnt work so good so i ussually had to take 4 - 8 and i always ran out early. but next time the dr upped my dose to 4 tramadols 50 mg each day. i started taking like 8 a day cuz that was what helped the pain. at first it made me high but it went away very fast after a few days of taking 8 a day.sumtimes it would make me throw up. anyways i continued taking 4-8 tramadols every day for 5 months. when i had no tramadol i would buy oxy off tha street, sumtimes tar to smoke, (rarely), and ussually i had a supply of 4 mg dilaudids which i took or snorted. when i didnt hav anything else sumtimes i took 10 mg methadone pills or went to the er to get a script for 30-50 percocet. it took about 6 percs to get me a little high. running out of tramadol and having nothing else was hell, it made me sick the tramadol has a very weird withdrawl. anyways on tha 5th month after they took away my oxy, i finally got to see a new dr. she gave me 90 of my old oxycodone 5 mgs. anyway in the past few days before i saw the dr i had been taking about 12 tramadols a day. now im off tramadol but i have to take 10 oxycodone 5 mg to even get the same effect as 12 tramadol? is that normal? does tramadol inccrease your opiate tolerance to oxycodone as well?

Any opiate that agonizes the Mu receptor will increase your tolerance to other opiates that also agonize the mu receptor. They are all cross tolerant.
 
You may be able to avoid physical dependance, but you'll have a massive poly-drug use psychological addiction on your hands, most likely.
 
for sure....

poly-drug use can actually have worse consequences than a solo addiction.....
 
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