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I've heard reports that the ocean waves are starting to lap australian shores. Seems to be really a pleaseant smelling insence mix . nine lives indeed .. from user reports this insense seems to have an <3 organic potential , if in the near and long term future you indulge yourself to an fragrant treatment and post about it on bl please don't do the following..
- make wordplays or puns on the source name
- discuss method of deliery
- compare the herbal incence mix to illegal drugs

please do discuss
- effects, side effects, contradictions , dosage, adictiveness etc ie the harm reduction stuff like

I would very much for blulight to evolve and not have a repeat of the meph and related companies, bluelight posts about telling LE all doron etc, Aus LE quoting BL posts to justify the cairns seizure. it just became a travesty in the end, LE used bluelight in their war against drugs... o.k how do we improve?

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btw i'm not employed and doing mrketing , just in the eu on the frontlines

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I would very much for blulight to evolve and not have a repeat of the meph and related companies, bluelight posts about telling LE all doron etc, Aus LE quoting BL posts to justify the cairns seizure.

In my completely biased opinion, Aus Bluelight began to evolve with the neorganics report and the online survey on the products. That was almost 2 1/2 years ago, and much has happened since, involving different groups independent of BL. However, if any of these projects progress further, it will hopefully also mean any and all such compounds will be revealed on Bluelight- as opposed to only LE having this info.

As for LE using Bluelight as a resource; yes of course they do, as they do with similar forums as well as local and world monitoring systems such as government/university run user surveys, and European based systems, e.g. EDRS, AMCD, & the psychonaut project which receives worldwide input, including that from Australian agencies. One local forensic based project I'm aware of is a system which, if it gets off the ground, will involve police purchasing and analysing products the moment they hit the market (under or over the counter). I believe a pilot project has already occurred.

Just like Europe and the US, all eyes are on the legal high market in Aus, involving government agencies right at the top and whose resource budget is virtually unlimited. Unless online communication-marketing all goes to p2p, web trawling will continue to alert authorities to new vendors, as does the direct viewing of, and participation in secret and hidden forums by various monitoring agencies and academics working in this field.

In light of all this, we have to then ask, how many of our readers would prefer to know about this as it's happening, rather than find out about it from a knock on the door? The term "forewarned is forearmed" is particularly applicable to consumers....In a nutshell, that's what we're here for.


it just became a travesty in the end, LE used bluelight in their war against drugs...

Oh please...As said, LE use every worthwhile resource. So the information posted here was considered reliable enough to be used in court? While that might be unfortunate for the people on the receiving end, it should be seen as proof that Bluelight can be an effective early warning tool - for all.

If not a vindictive ploy, then its simply ignorant to suggest Bluelight is the cause of people being prosecuted. Posts on BL may be used to support a case, but how much actual evidence this represents is something else altogether. I'd be willing to bet that this thread has already been noticed. Perhaps we shouldn't talk about new drugs at all; offer nothing to those seeking info on the effects, dangers, legality etc; close all such threads and ignore the numerous PMs some of us receive on the topic 8)

Something you might also like to know is that the TGA is currently seeking to have any and all such chemicals that don't contravene analogue legislation covered as therapeutics, whether or not the labeling indicates the product is intended for human consumption. If they're successful, it will mean importers will have to register their products if they have any knowledge or suspicion their products are being used as intended. This has already affected at least one local web based vendor, to what degree I'm not sure, but they certainly aren't trading as they once were.

Others groups are working towards presenting the cause for the introduction of a new drug class, similar to that seen in NZ. Whether this will be successful only time will tell. But because there's virtually no chance that already scheduled drugs would be included in such a class - not initially anyway, I believe those in the industry should be concentrating their efforts towards achieving this by campaigning politicians and health professionals, and collaborating with others in the industry to provide a scientific and social rationale to their argument, rather than mislabeling and misleading their customers, which ultimately leads to additional products being scheduled and customers losing out health and/or liberty wise.

For vendors to not push for a new drug category implies they don't really give a fuck, either about the future of the substances, or the safety and well being of the customers, who's only option to getting high once the latest round of pseudo-legals is banned might be to go for the "next wave" - often less tested and researched that the one/s these will replace. Ironically, at least some of the people who are working towards pressuring government for a new schedule to cover rec drugs aren't doing it for any commercial gain, yet they devote many unpaid hours to gathering and preparing data. Why? because they actually care about what they see as a boundary-less industry, exploiting both laws and gullible consumers, with the highest cost borne by their mostly innocent consumers.

Recently, amongst the fed's sweep of those importing mephedrone, a new BL poster mentioned here how he was facing a charge of importing a kilo of meph. He remarked not only that he'd thought it was legal, but how he wished he'd seen this site earlier and realised the legality before he purchased. Just how many were saved from this ordeal because they did read the neorganics pages we'll never know, but I know of a couple, so there's likely to be others.

Bluelight can and does play an integral role in facilitating an early warning system for all new and novel drugs. In that capacity, real HR relevant info can then be provided, and/or the unknowns about various compounds highlighted. As for legal issues; when a substance is known, users can then be informed of possible infringements or gray areas before they decide to purchase or use such compounds. Good for consumers, perhaps not so good for those vendors described above.
 
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