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^ Thank you space junk. Thank you. Elves etc are BS unless you go into the experience expecting something and hey the power of suggestion is powerful. Culturally appropriate spirit guides are often snakes, jaguars, spiders, eagles etc. This is from Shamans from South America who regularly use this substance. McKenna RIP was a twit to be honest read his first publication and you'l understand why and why I hate that bullshit that goes hand in hand with mainstream psychedelia or really pop culture psychedelics. I have used massive amounts of DMT both NN DMT and my own home made "channga". My "Spirit guide" from my fucking sketchy aya tourism trip turned out to be a large black wolf. I'd had the same dream of this wolf consuming psychoactive fish as a child on my home island. The shaman explained to accept this visson and it will protect me. Well he did that through a translator who I think lost half the meaning the guy was trying to imply but anyway my point. CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT EXPERIENCE.
 
I've had very vivid interactions with beings that couldn't be described as anything but "elves" - been shown languages, symbols, asked (telepathic) questions, examined (emotionally) and - most seemingly ridiculously, travelled in time, been taken to faraway, heavenly places. A sense of theatre and revelation (like "we'll show you something! What can you teach us?!") seems ever-present.
This is over the course of several trips, mind you.
And some efforts just fail - the "entities" (for lack of a better term) block the gates to "hyperspace", and use a series of signs and symbols to make this clear. I find a rejection from a breakthrough into hyperspace to be quite jarring and almost upsetting. "They" can be quite harsh and unforgiving from time to time. I have my theories on why this is, but I'd rather not go into it.
Respect is the key.

I can't say I agree with you about Terrence McKenna though - he operated from a really interesting background of knowledge - and psychedelic tryptamines weren't something you could just buy online when he began his journey.
The increase in western usage and scientific study has shed light on so much of this research/ritual and the biological processes that can take us there, but there is so very much left to learn.
Every field needs it's trailblazers - in this case, they were scholars, seekers - outlaws.
I have much respect for the McKenna brothers' work, and not just because (for me at least) they are able to describe things that are fundamentally indescribable.

Each to their own - set and setting of course make a huge difference to most trips. Even those immersive, out of body hyperspace journeys beyond our human understanding.



God, I sound like a fucking hippie.
 
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Spacejunk I went through a DMT love affair that lasted from around 2005-2010. My most common themes were the wolf spirit guide and the light/tunnel. the light is probably you version of being shut out of hyperspace your nearly there but never quite get there. I think your preconceptions enable you to commune with elves etc. For a Shaman in the amazon it will be with ancestors, animal spirits etc. This is the type of belief system I have animal spirit guides showing you the way to greater understanding or even possessions you had misplaced all kinds of stuff. You are a the typical post McKenna DMT tripper in my opinion. I never new of the McKenna's except there weird mushroom theory during my DMT experiences. Each to their own as DMT is something unique to culture setting time place and BELIEF SYSTEM. Hyperspace is a borowed word from sci fi. Spirit realm is more appropriate but hey if it works for you to describe it as hyperspace cool. I'm very intouch will my traditional belief system no need to superimpose western ideology onto that. You believe in the McKenna viewpoint I believe in the Shamanistic view for want of a better word.

The experience is very much understandable if you let go of all preconception and allow it to flow. Kind of like those people who describe near death experiences etc the spirit/ancestor guides your experience. To put simply the earth or ancestors spirit guide vs cosmos aliens and machine elves.

Ok so you outed my inner hippy or more correctly my belief in earth, mana (eat your enemies gain their mana) and other ethnic beliefs.
 
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The thing is, I had contact with "elves", "goddess" figures and other McKenna-isms long before I was aware of his work.

To put it down to preconceptions on my part seems...well, a little self-contradictory.

When I listened to some of McKenna's lectures - after more than a decade of reading all manner of psychedelic writings - I experienced a jolt of familiarity. It is incorrect to assume that those images existed in my consciousness prior to experimentation.
It is worth pointing out that I have also seen plenty of things that don't fit any "typical post McKenna DMT tripper" motifs, incidentally. I do find that remark a tad patronising, to be honest.
I'm just trying to have a discussion here - I'm not arguing with you.

Of course our surroundings affect a trip - tripping in tropical rainforest is going to yield a different psychedelic landscape to me blasting off in the familiar surrounds of Australia, no?

Ethno-religious stuff aside, lets not forget set-and-setting.
 
Ahhh western god/godesses from the great myths from greek/roman/norse mythology may play a role. Hell they may even exist in that other realm. I'm not trying to patronize at all just come to some level of understanding. Some of what you experienced are not McKenna inspired then. I had the wolf from an early age say 4-5 woke up screaming the first few times and wet the bed lol. This is definatley my spirit animal. I guess I'm very tribal in my outlook based on earth and our interactions with our mother/creator/father/destroyer. We are all tied to this beautiful ball of composites of rock. Life ebs and flows between living things and sometimes the residual energies ramain behind for what ever reasons. The beauty the wonder the pain and the suffering all the duality of life itself. I think this exemplifies the similarities and differences a DMT experiences can have for two different individuals with similar mindsets and slight differences in setting and beliefs. LOVELY I LOVE it. Thanks for sharing with me
Fuck spacejunk people reading this might think were trippers, well they'd be right. Yeah I've read the spirit molecule and a dozen other ethno-botanical pieces of literature.
 
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Have you read The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman?
I recently read a study on near death experiences that used that book as a citation and comparison to the information the researchers had gathered regarding NDEs.
Pretty fascinating stuff.

Like I said though - I've never been drawn to, especially fascinated by or particularly interested in deities, goddesses or ancient mythology. As I said - staunch atheist since the age of 6. Thought all "unexplained phenomenon" were human creations or excuses (such as the US Military's wilful encouragement of UFO panics to take the attention away from civilians understanding their technology).

Then I started to experiment with DMT.
My self-satisfied certainty dissolved almost instantly after two DMT trips - the first of which transported me to the 2nd one, maybe 6 months later in a place I'd never been before.
Sounds nutty but it was beyond anything I could understand.
This stuff is powerful but not in the way fentanyl or MDPV are powerful.

Now I have no idea how to make sense of these various experiences. There have been many jaw-agape-when-I-come-to trips.

It seems you've formed - through your heritage and upbringing - a conception of what's going on for you, with spirit animals and so forth.
That's cool - I'm just too overwhelmed by such happenings (I don't class them as delusions; hallucinations - perhaps, yes) but beyond this, it's beyond western human understanding in 2013.
The sort that I have grown up in, anyway. People have theories - from the mundane to the revolutionary - but we are still in the cultural infancy of psychedelic understanding.
Seeking the assistance of a traditional healer or shaman may seem like the best link to direct knowledge, but from what you've said, cultural and linguistic barriers exist in understanding something that both cultures have completely different conceptions of.

Tripper? Who - me? !
 
great posts :) I can relate to some of it, not the tribal sttuff though.. the black spirit wolf sounds amazing. I had one frightening DMT experience where I became a flying object in outer space which was gaining speed and orbiting around a star then had a huge collision with the star and split into trillions of different pieces!

RE the elves.. I'll admit to being told by other people about them before trying DMT so that could be why I interpreted it that way. on more than one occassion they have been there waiting for me to return and talking to me and everything. It's strange how many people experience the elves, considering the billions of other topics or themes their brains could create for the trip imo. DMT is so priceless, I feel sorry for people who haven't reached that level :)
 
has anyone here got a glass vapor genie?

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ive got one coming in the mail and they are a little bit on the expensive side

was curious if any of u guys used them and had any thoughts because they seem popular at the nexus

i had my first dmt experience a couple nights ago and didnt break through but was in a cartoon psychdelic world of morphing images for 5 minutes on a bit of sublingual harmine as well and it was really fun
 
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