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August getting/staying sober v. you can do it!

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I hear you, brother.

If you were closer, I'd invite you over. California is quite far from the Midwest, though.

A friend of mind was discussing transcendental meditation with me, and I immediately thought that it could be of great use to coping with withdrawing from psychological and physical dependendence on chems.

A person once asked me, would I rather be alone in a room by myself, or alone in a room full of people. I definitely picked alone in a room by myself. I think I understand what you mean.

Music? I'm listening to Raised on Radio (yeah it's pop Journey but it fits my mood).

Again, sending you positive vibes. I'll say a prayer for you, too.

Make it through the night. Peace, bro.
 
Aw Caseface <3

Just think of all the good things about your life. The fact that you get to live again at all is a good place to start... new (real) friends you've made... etc. whatever makes you happy :)
 
Caseface...the times we are weak we must hold onto another's strength. I am sending you all my strength.
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Seven days (without meetings) makes one weak. Its been a while since my last. I don't know why I draw such strength from being in a room of addicts and alcoholics. I could really use it right now. Child support is eating all mypay , yet I can't see my son. There is something painful about working more than full time but not being able to put a dollar in the pot. Pray for me...I've been romantasizing using....just letting go of everything.
 
Day 4 off of Percocet, and feeling horrible. Not to mention my back is really hurting, which is why I have a script for pain meds. I am ready to throw in the towel. I am not convinced I want to quit forever, but I at least wanted to get to the point of waking up feeling physically good. I miss that when I am using. Sorry to sound like such a whiner. I know others have it much much worse.
 
I feel for you, tooold. It's really hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel when you're submersed in a hell that never seems to end. All I can say is power through the detox, and see what it's like on the other side. Since you've already gone through 4-days, you're through the worse part of the physical pain from the withdrawal. You can always go back to using, but at least give it an attempt. It's not going to be all sunshine, rainbows, and unicorns, but is the sun always shining on you with oxycodone? Talk to your doctor about it. You obviously are concerned about addiction or whatever it might be from the opioids, so voice your concern with your doctor. Some doctors like money and to help. Others just like money. I hope you have the prefaced.
 
Hey guys doing really pretty good.. a little time away to recharge the batteries in preporation for new things.

Hey case and manBC.. you guys may want to look at where you guys are in the cycle..

  • Frustration and internal pain that leads to anxiety and a demand for relief of these symptoms
  • Fantasizing about using alcohol and drugs or behaviors to relieve the uncomfortable symptoms
  • Obsessing about using drugs and alcohol and how his or her life will be after the use of substances
  • Engaging in the addictive activity, such as using substances to gain relief (acting out)
  • Losing control over the behavior
  • Developing feelings of remorse, guilt and shame, which lead to feelings of dissatisfaction
  • Making a promise or resolve to oneself to stop the behavior or substance use
  • After a period of time, the pain returns, and the addict begins to experience the fantasies of using substances again.



I believe one of the most powerful milestones in recovery from addiction is when we are able to see through the delusion that use of the substance we are addicted to is something desirable. Also remember as addicts we are affected by addictive thinking.. or thinking whose end is use, but whose justification is false. I believe it helps immensely to write down any thinking that is driving use and examine its logic. It is also very beneficial to share these thoughts with others in recovery as for some reason we are always profoundly better at seeing the fucked up thinking of someone else than our own.

A hypothetical idea that i am thinking of that i have tried to design somewhat off your circumstances MBC would be.. I can't handle this any more. I am miserable because I am not and wont be part of my childs life because of my use and the fact that my x unjustly used my use against me and not only that I will never be able to survive because, even though I am prohibited contact, I am required to submit more money than I can clearly afford to support a child I will never see. I cant handle these problems caused by my use so I will use. (this is just hypothetical and entirely made up but i wouldnt be surprised if it has some similarities)

As addicts we often fail to have patience and look at temporary situations as permanent. The truth is that your situation with your child is not permanent. I think it is pretty standard for both the visitation or custody rights as well as the amount of child support to be able to be revisited every two years or so. If you look up the specific time period for your state you will know when your first opportunity to have all the amazing work and changes you have done recognized by the courts and have the amount of child support changed to an amount that reflects your financial situation at this time. It is so important that we keep our heads in the solution.. or keep thinking of and working towards the day when you walk back into that courtroom and are given back acess your child<3<3=D so please focus on that day and its preparation instead of constantly thinking of the hurt and pain you have over the current situation.

As far as the money thing.. this is also temporary.. yeah you can get another job and spend all your time slaving.. and there is something to be said for that, but is that a solution you will be happy doing.. why not begin to think a little bigger and a little longer range.. having worked in the kitchen I know that our salaries are for shit and working for someone else just means we make the real money for someone else.. I think you are selling yourself short, start to think bigger, where does your hearty tell you to go, what schooling can you get, where is the opportunity, what will get you to a place where you enjoy what you are doing and make enough to get out from under the bills that kill.. a whole bunch of money isn't needed and usually brings allot more problems than the pleasure we think it will, but enough to get past the constant worry is a great goal. quit selling yourself short sir as you can do anything if you put your mind to it:) when a goal seems impossible just break it down into really easily obtained tasks, start knocking off tasks at a reasonable rate, give yourself huge credit each time you knock off a task, expect and welcome the setbacks, and watch your life change:)

And we all find ourselves thinking of solving our problems with the problem:\. What I do is double think any thought process that ends in use. I remember once I was unable to sleep because I had been lying about drinking to someone, it was bothering my conscious so I couldn't sleep. As I was sitting there unable to sleep the idea to have a couple of drinks to fall asleep. when i ran that through the addictive logic detector it came out as insane.. I was thinking of curing or treating the problems with my drinking by drinking8(.. yeah fkn insane right, so I think its a really good idea to explore any thought process that says drink.. because there is no good reason to use a substance we are addicted to.

IMO one of the most powerful milestones we can get to in recovery is when we are able to see through the delusion that using a substance (s) that we are addicted to is something desirable to do. If we take an honest look at the whole picture of addictive drug use, not even considering the mess it makes our lives, but just in the context of how it makes us feel it is not a desirable thing.. A way i used to get my head around this was to write down a typical day of use.. minute by minute (not every minute but highly detailed of how I felt through an entire day in active addiction) if you are able to do this I think you will find that you actually fell better 98% of the time than you did 99% of the time back then.. that we used to put all this crazy effort in to feel for a little bit just as good as we fell all the time now.. the thing is that addiction takes a snapshot of use, it focusses on when we felt pretty good during use.. it doesn't bring up that the rest of the day we were in some sorta withdrawal, filled with anxiety, because of the constant need to feed the beast with money we didn't have and stay away from the cops, not to mention it never talks about the fact that in a short while we won't even get a pleasant feeling and will have to put all that effort into trying to fell worse than we do all the time now.

Addiction is such a fucked thing.. learn to see through and think through it nonsense.. it fucking lies every time and there is no reason to fall for it again<3<3<3



“Chasing the Dragon”
The term “chasing the dragon” is a term used by addicts in an effort to catch the first high they had on their drug of choice. “Because of the
unique reaction that the genetically addiction prone individual experiences to his drug of choice, he or she programs his or herself belief
system with the deep conviction that the substance is ‘good,’” writes Richard Seymour. “This is where self-help becomes intrinsic to recovery. Unless one deals with the third head, unless one changes the belief system and effects a turning-about in the deepest seat of consciousness, there is no recovery…”

- “The Chemical Carousel”
by Dirk Hanson​

The recovery community often is scared to have us look at why we want to use.. but i think if we look at why we want to use and compare it to what really goes on when we use.. we can see through the delusion we carry that use is enjoyable or good.

Nice work to everyone and love to everyone pushing on<3:)
 
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^^^^hold strong...day four is the day things start getting easier. Try naproxen for your pain. Hug a loved one for your aching soul.

I care little for having a lot of money . It never really brought me any joy. I really dont need much I just want enough to sustain myself. I make very good money serving(thank you magnetic personality) but I can never really lower what I owe for my ex and son to live (yes I have to pay the state of new York a portion of what my ex is receiving from the state of new York to raise my son...her career path is to live in section eight housing, collect states funds, and put him in expensive daycare during the day, though she doesn't work).

School is a distant vision with the arrears so pressing. I've been seeking a higher paying job, but it is hard to find where I live...but it won't stop me from seeking. I guess the biggest thing is being patient. I know if I go back to court my x will petition to keep me away so I just have to accept this until he gets old enough to seek me out...then he will know I'm not nearly as bad as she makes me out to be.

I didn't start using till after I lost in court...it was my x that was using during our relationship. I've heard she has cleaned up, but how can I trust that? I heard it from her so many times that the word clean became meaningless. The other thing I heard quite a bit was: at least I didn't lie. I would say, well I appreciate that but the grocery money is still gone. Fuck all that.

I'm not going to use. I have to be a good man in spite of these feelings. Eventually...hopefully he will Want to know me and I need to be someone he would want to know.
 
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I'm such a dumbass.

Every year some of my friends and I go to a cottage at the end of August. This year was to be the 3rd year in a row we've done it. My friends are not alcoholics like me, but at times like this they will abuse alcohol pretty heavily as many young 20s do. It's pretty much a 4 day bender.

I went. I told them I wasn't going to drink beforehand, and my friends were very reasonable about it, they still wanted me to come. I was going to be extremely sad that I missed out on this amazing annual tradition and I just wanted to feel normal for once. So I went. It was an extremely poor decision.. I just got over-confident.

I didn't drink.. somehow. When the cravings were bad I managed to work things out and I refused to give in to the short term cravings. At one point i was extremely close to drinking, the cravings were overwhelming and it was almost like I didn't have control of my own body. When the drinking was ultra-intensive I just went off by myself for a bit. But I feel like I've stepped back so far in my recovery. I was doing so well sober. I'm almost at 2 months. All these thoughts about me being able to moderate, me wanting to drink, etc., are all returning. I spent so long ridding myself of these thoughts.

I've learned a valuable lesson. I stayed sober, but fuck, I might as well have drank for the agony I put myself through. The cravings and the desire and the want is as overwhelming now as it was in the beginning again. The thoughts and the feelings were bad at the cottage but they have lingered.

Just proof for me that you can't surround yourself with the same lifestyle. Sure I stayed sober today, but maybe after a few of these, I wouldn't be sober any more.
 
Hey generic, I hear you. I feel like a real dumb ass and have had a really rough week---and getting a bag of dope on monday didn't help that sense of guilty any. I am embarassed to even post it on here, really.........anyway, it was dumb, I could see it all happening, it seems every time heroin is going to be bought by me it is impossible for me to just get the whole bag and go on my way, I was basically strong-armed into sharing it with two other people, you know how that entire junky culture works.....we often share our addictions to feel less alone. Its actually a really funny fact about my use of H, I have never had my own bag that others didn't fiend over or beg me for some.....a great reason to throw this addiction away.

I read nsanymore's post and honestly, despite this minor set back (I barely got high and was sick for about 2 days because of my allergy to H) I am already seeing some of this "addiction detector" or whatever he was talking about at work in my own life. Even though I feel my life is pretty crappy most of the time, I still have hope.....I cannot tell you why or how and ALSO I have been seeing through the veil of my addiction more clearly. That is to say, things that once satisfied me before becoming an addict are satisfying me again (FOOD).

Anyway, I'm doing a bit better this week but sometimes I wonder if I am still going through my defragmentation process and if maybe I will have to keep buying H once a month or once every 2 months so I can "get it out of the way" and feel sick from doing it and yadda-yadda.....I mean I don't think about it much but sometimes I am just like fuck it and go for it......I just don't understand why I keep doing something that, yeah makes me high for a short amount of time (this bag was a shit bag anyway) and then later I have to pay for TREMENDOUSLY so because I cannot breathe well, feels like lining of my nose has been shredded apart by the cut, coughing up brown/green crap (body protecting me from my own actions) and all that great stuff.........

Its just been a rough few days, damn......
 
hey all.. man i dont know what it is about today.. actually its boredom.. and i have been craving opiates all damn day.. nothing super strong just steady craving. I'm going to plan something fun for tomorrow.. boredom kills me.
 
Saw a psychiatrist and am now prescribed real tapering medication. I've kept my word (because she prescribed me a lower dose than I was equivalent to) and she told me I was already over her prescribable dose (for the amount I was taking I was supposed to go to a detox center) so she made me promise I wouldn't take my other medication. That tied in with my parents visiting all week and going to Disney theme parks was hard but I've done it for 2 days successfully. What a sense of relief :).

This is only day 2 of step 1 (step 2) being compleatly off the medication but until I reach the end of step one I will celebrate my victories of day 2!!!
 
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and another 24 down.
 
Yep...another twenty four.

I'm angry as hell today...halt anyone? Found out what my ex is doing with my money...she is literally having someone else watch my son live in! Fuck I will pay her just to have him live with me.
 
i've been sober for almost a week and am as happy as well... ever. it makes me question my life choices do i really want to keep getting high? idk. but i know as soon as i have a drugs i really really like, i won't be able to look away luckily all i have right now is dilaudid which doesn't make me feel that great anymore i actually prefer the rush from oxycodone to hydromophone but if you could all toss some hope my way maybe it could keep me thinking twice about using again
 
i've been sober for almost a week and am as happy as well... ever. it makes me question my life choices do i really want to keep getting high? idk. but i know as soon as i have a drugs i really really like, i won't be able to look away luckily all i have right now is dilaudid which doesn't make me feel that great anymore i actually prefer the rush from oxycodone to hydromophone but if you could all toss some hope my way maybe it could keep me thinking twice about using again

That's soooo great to hear :)
 
Starting detoxing tomorrow. DIY, at home, mother unaware, live-in girlfriend also hooked and detoxing with me. Don't know how many attempts we have made in the past six years together, probably several dozen. When we met I was six months sober from cocaine. I got her off heroin (after joining her in the habit for a month inhaling, then a month injecting) thanks to loperamide, benzos and antidepressants. But we got hooked on cocaine, and our binge cycles always lead up to IV binging for days, weeks, even months. After this session ends in the next couple hours or so, detoxing will begin. No medications to help for the moment, but plan on acquiring some this weekend. All we have is haloperidol drops, 2mg/ml, and a lot of good will. Hope it sticks, we fear we'll kill ourselves otherwise.
 
Good luck quidamsoul :) Sending you positive vibes
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I had a relapse today after I'd just gotten to the point where I wasn't counting my days sober anymore :( But it gives me more reason and motivation to keep trying and get myself off opiates for good.
 
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