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@unodelacosa Rather than hijack the other thread thought better to take this to another thread
)… British English also does this with some names. Like Steven becomes "Steves", not simply "Steve". Brits also say "going to hospital" and "going to university" without any articles. In the U.S. we'd say "going to the hospital" or "going to a university." The lack of an article makes it sounds almost like a Russian speaker's grammatical inclination toward eschewing articles…
I'm a fan of American theoretical physicist, Sean M. Carroll, at Johns Hopkins University, who specializes in quantum mechanics, cosmology, and the philosophy of science. He writes excellent, accessible-to-the-public books on these topics, such as "Something Deeply Hidden". Highly recommended.
I know what you're getting at though: just because everyone has the same experience doesn't prove anything objectively concrete about the experience. And to that I would borrow a phrase from Sean Carroll and say, Yes, it's something deeply hidden.
On the opposite end of a black hole, is there a white hole spewing forth matter continously? Are there universes parallel to ours with different physics rules making it impossible for us to exist within them? Does every quantum moment split into many worlds in which everything forks at each decision point into all possible outcomes but we only travel along one collapsed decision thread? Therefore is it possible all of these theories are "correct" relatively speaking? Do you believe in the existence of an objective reality or is it something more like a consensual mass hallucination?
I'm not making an exception for katamine over DMT, I've just not taken DMT yet so can only go on my own experience.
no qualifications, I following physics research as a layman, and dip into other fields, know enough to pick up a research paper and read through things.
A few "recentish" examples that make you wonder what's really going on, all these have plenty of active current research going on and papers that you can read.
we don't understand how/or why we're able to perceive time, or even if time is a "real" thing.
My point is that if there is credibility behind consistent DMT drug experience actually pointing to proof that there is something actually going on then applying rigorous scientific study to it is the best way to draw out any conclusions.
IMHO the global war on drugs and related research has held us back a massive amount here, this could have been something that we've been studying extensively for a long time.
Just trying to understand why the experience is consistent itself as a minimum helps to understand brain chemistry and brain structure etc, it could lead to even bigger and better things.
Grossly overlooked field of study, I'm just happy to see that research in psychedelics is gaining traction at long last.
black hole and event horizon anyone?
or maybe a single consciousness partitioned to experience every possible eventuality?
who knows
now overlap metaphysics and religion.
If multiverses exists and there is a god, is it the same god in each universe?
Pretty cool and interesting thought ideas and permutations here.
I read a paper/article recently which pretty much concluded that statistically speaking we (I?) must be in a simulation.
However there's credibility behind the multiverse idea and quantum many worlds theory in which both/either can lead to infinite possibilities.
So statistically it might be more likely we're in a simulation, however with infinite possibilities there will always be outliers.
The question is where are we on the bell curve??
So if they've peaked, does this mean you're no longer an atheist? Atheism is an all or nothing kinda belief. Hence why I think most proclaimed atheists are instead more reasonably agnostic, whether they realize it or not.
Obviously believing in God and believing in organized religion are two different things, but they're often mistaken for one another.
Um, okay. So k-holes make you open-minded toward religion? Or toward the concept of an afterlife? So why is it you make an exception for ketamine inebriation but you draw the line at DMT?
Unless you're in a k-hole? What makes you say you're a scientist at heart? Meanwhile, Idk how familiar you are with my posts/comments, but if you read them, you might notice that you're not the only BLer who appreciates science… more specifically: organic chemistry.
I'm just curious what your qualifications are for stating this. You must do some kind of leading work in these fields to make these statements so confidently and assert this with authority. I mean, "we do not understand enough" makes it sound like you're speaking for the entire industry in a way you're uniquely qualified and experienced to do. … Either that or you're making broad claims and bad assumptions. Or maybe it's a blend of these… Lord knows my dumbass will jump to conclusions, and I'm a class 1 grade A hypocrite many times, so please don't take any offense to me pushing back here. Idk wtf I'm talking about, except once in a while I get lucky and I do.
Indeed. As a dumbass yank, it's still so odd to me that British-English speakers pluralize the nickname for mathematics: "maths" while the tradition in the U.S. is to shorten it to "math". To me, while there are many branches, it's all still the same singular tree of the one, pure subject. Let's call it "crystal math", shall we? (
)… British English also does this with some names. Like Steven becomes "Steves", not simply "Steve". Brits also say "going to hospital" and "going to university" without any articles. In the U.S. we'd say "going to the hospital" or "going to a university." The lack of an article makes it sounds almost like a Russian speaker's grammatical inclination toward eschewing articles…You say this like we're behind schedule. We have nothing to compare this to, so we have no clue if our evolution has been rapid or slow-going. You know, from another perspective, we rapidly discovered the nuclear bomb during the middle of an intense global war, and humanity survived that, and (mostly) made it through the subsequent Cold War. Or maybe we're all really in an intense scaled-up version of a classic Mexican standoff. Perspective and paradox often seem to abound… just consider the double-slot experiment. As to Einstein's unified field theory, well… if Einstein broke the Newtonian model of reality, perhaps something yet will "break" Einstein's models of space/time and gravity/matter.
I'm a fan of American theoretical physicist, Sean M. Carroll, at Johns Hopkins University, who specializes in quantum mechanics, cosmology, and the philosophy of science. He writes excellent, accessible-to-the-public books on these topics, such as "Something Deeply Hidden". Highly recommended.
I thought you gave up on religion. This is a canned response from religious folks. Is there such a thing as "impure arrogance"?
Maybe, though perhaps you've mistakenly appointed yourself the arbiter of arrogance… Or perhaps the real arrogance is fully dismissing these ideas as if you have hard evidence pointing elsewhere and despite consistency across users.
This is something a bit different, and your phrasing is off. What you're thinking of, in logic, is known as the questionable-cause logical fallacy, aka: cum hoc ergo propter hoc. Properly stated it's: correlation does not imply causation. But that doesn't negate all value from observing a correlation. Very many times, this correlation alerts us to something. The logical fallacy there just means that while there may be an inference, we cannot directly deduce causation from correlation.
I know what you're getting at though: just because everyone has the same experience doesn't prove anything objectively concrete about the experience. And to that I would borrow a phrase from Sean Carroll and say, Yes, it's something deeply hidden.
They're working on it: "A New Theory Says DMT Entities Might Be Real, and Proposes How to Test It"
In the Grandest Scheme of things, the blink of an eye might be a lot longer than you think.
On the opposite end of a black hole, is there a white hole spewing forth matter continously? Are there universes parallel to ours with different physics rules making it impossible for us to exist within them? Does every quantum moment split into many worlds in which everything forks at each decision point into all possible outcomes but we only travel along one collapsed decision thread? Therefore is it possible all of these theories are "correct" relatively speaking? Do you believe in the existence of an objective reality or is it something more like a consensual mass hallucination?
I think I'd say that I'm finally wise enough to recognize that I don't have the answer
yes very much so, and the institutionalized brain washing from a young age of organized religion makes this separation even harder
more open-minded to spirituality rather than religion I would say, including an afterlife, or even that this world isn't even real maybe - who knows.
I'm not making an exception for katamine over DMT, I've just not taken DMT yet so can only go on my own experience.
I believe in the process of science, whether in a k-hole or not, it's a sound philosophy, have an idea, test it, prove it, refine it, disprove it, evolve it.
yeah there's a lot of interesting science talk on this forum, part of the reason I'm here
no offense taken.
no qualifications, I following physics research as a layman, and dip into other fields, know enough to pick up a research paper and read through things.
A few "recentish" examples that make you wonder what's really going on, all these have plenty of active current research going on and papers that you can read.
- Quantum Effects in Microtubules
- Holographic universe theory
- Quantum entanglement
- Spacetime
- Block universe
- Universe simulation theory
- Hawking radiation
- What came before the big bang
we don't understand how/or why we're able to perceive time, or even if time is a "real" thing.
Not that we're behind schedule, more just making an observation that we've not been doing it for very long in the grand scheme of things!
thanks for the tip, will try and check him out
Not sure I get your point, don't think I'm being contrary here, just an observation that science hasn't proven that there is no god or afterlife, absence of proof doesn't confirm or refute anything, that's all.
No certainly not arrogant enough to think I have any credibility to draw any kind of conclusion here.
My point is that if there is credibility behind consistent DMT drug experience actually pointing to proof that there is something actually going on then applying rigorous scientific study to it is the best way to draw out any conclusions.
IMHO the global war on drugs and related research has held us back a massive amount here, this could have been something that we've been studying extensively for a long time.
Just trying to understand why the experience is consistent itself as a minimum helps to understand brain chemistry and brain structure etc, it could lead to even bigger and better things.
Grossly overlooked field of study, I'm just happy to see that research in psychedelics is gaining traction at long last.
Much better put that my clumsy words.
Great to see this, will have a read thanks for the link
wise and interesting choose of words.
black hole and event horizon anyone?
or maybe a single consciousness partitioned to experience every possible eventuality?
who knows
These are all active fields of scientific study right now.
now overlap metaphysics and religion.
If multiverses exists and there is a god, is it the same god in each universe?
Pretty cool and interesting thought ideas and permutations here.
Honestly I have no idea, all I can say with varying degrees of (un)certainty is that it feels real to me.
I read a paper/article recently which pretty much concluded that statistically speaking we (I?) must be in a simulation.
However there's credibility behind the multiverse idea and quantum many worlds theory in which both/either can lead to infinite possibilities.
So statistically it might be more likely we're in a simulation, however with infinite possibilities there will always be outliers.
The question is where are we on the bell curve??
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