Opioids At what point is Kratom usage pointless and one should move down the ladder?

[Xorkoth]

I’ve never gone hard with kratom like some people have either...the most I’ve usually done is around 8-10 grams taken as a single dose / day. Never really even considered taking larger doses as it doesn’t really add anything other than potentially severe nausea IME, but I know people do much more and throw in concentrates etc...

Yeah that makes such a huge difference, a low dose. When you get into 30+ grams per day it starts to get hairy when you stop.

And what Wizard says is also very correct. Coming into kratom from full agonist dependence means you will experience the kindling effect from previous opiate dependence. I, for example, was addicted to full agonost opiates for a long time. So now kratom produces withdrawals quite quickly and more severely than it would for someone who has only ever dabbled in kratom.

 

[thurston]

A year or so ago (on years of low dose kratom - less than 2g (then) every four or so hours), I ran up on some bupre. Dude (a friend that was heavy into opioids) was giving them away and I had never tried it or subs. I got a handful and commenced to experiment for the next coupla weeks. It did make me sick as hell first dose of bupre. But felt like I had had a decent fix of good h. Wasn't the most unpleasant barfing I have ever had but it lasted an hour or so. I had forgotten about precipitated wds and just did it. Stayed high the rest of that day and into the next morn... no more kratom needed or even though of.
I dropped the bupre by half (cannot remember the dose, now) and took kratom normally a day after and the sick feeling was not as noticeable but the buzz was no more or less and lasted all day. Cut my krat usage down for those two weeks (didn't think of it) and when it all got back to normal the kratom worked as usual.
Haven't had any experiences with bupre since.
Would like to find some reason why this happened but pharmacology and how things work in the brain is not my strong point. Add that to everyones chemistry is different and it is anyones guess.

I doubt it was precipitated wd that made you sick, it was probably just the dosage of the sub especially if you took a whole one. Sub is more potent than people realize and a little can go a long way.

 

[PtahTek]

I doubt it was precipitated wd that made you sick, it was probably just the dosage of the sub especially if you took a whole one. Sub is more potent than people realize and a little can go a long way.

No it wasn't withdrawals at all. Haha It was getting bombed. The sicker I got that first time the higher I got. Imean it was strong as I hadn't done classic opioids in some time. Maybe dable once or twice a month on a pill or two.
Not sure what the dose was but I did eat a whole four part "strip" that was in the foil packet. Next time I dosed half. Found that I could ride out all day on a morning dose of the bupre and a two gram shot of kratom. I loved it but found that by the end ofthe experiment I was wanting more of both to try to maintain that dreamy feeling. Glad it was over. Think it was two weeks. Posted here I think - maybe in what was your morning fix - but wouldn't swear to it... hard to stay focused at times.
I was mainly trying to answer a question posed by another BLer.

has anyone here experienced precipitated withdrawal from kratom resulting from buprenorphine?

But it def wasnt wd of any kind, in that particular experience <---- me lol
Haven't seen any buprs since but the kratom is still on deck and effective

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it makes me dizzy and feel weird

haha reminds me of madness describing it as drinking a few beers
good vibes to qt

 

[simstim]

You might be better off getting a suboxone script from one of those online health providers.

On a somewhat unrelated note, and out of sheer curiosity, has anyone here experienced precipitated withdrawal from kratom resulting from buprenorphine?

I didn't feel so hot after trying a fraction of an 8mg sub intranasally once with a 100g/ day kratom habit. It definitely blocked the effects of my kratom dose but didn't throw me into full blown withdrawal. Was weird. Felt uncomfortable for a few hours. That was the max kratom dose i was at for quite some time before the burden of obtaining a kilo every 10 days just became too much after awhile. I had wd too often for a day or two waiting on shipping and decided to get off it. That was quite a few years ago now. It's true the withdrawls were easier than say my previous opioid addiction of 350-400mg oxy. Its also true that actual kratom withdrawls suck ass. Best of luck! If i can do it, then you can too!!

 

[Kurt Cobain]

You might be better off getting a suboxone script from one of those online health providers.

On a somewhat unrelated note, and out of sheer curiosity, has anyone here experienced precipitated withdrawal from kratom resulting from buprenorphine?

On another somewhat unrelated note, I been a degenerate junkie and lurking here since I was 11 now 26 and still a degenerate junkie but hey at least I finally made an account haha but anyway wanted to say thank you for all the info I've gathered over the years from you, Xorth, captn heroin and my man Keith Richard's. Yall probably kept me from killing myself many a times and yall deserve a lot of appreciation so thank you

 

[Kurt Cobain]

^ I agree I get a restless discomfort after kratom too at this point. I was taking 40 gr a day and just dropped to 30 and already feel better. Oddly enough kratom causes anxiety in me so although I feel a little more tired from the drop it is a good tired and the anxiety has also dropped a bit.. I think it raises my BP too. So I can honestly say there probably is a point where it makes sense to taper off. I know I can not sleep after kratom to well. I need to be about 7-8 hours after the kratom to get a full nights sleep.

Odd how this stuff causes anxiety in me and to shake sometimes and this drop I just did made me feel better. A healthier tired. I think I just went to far past my expiration date with it. I am not surprised at paradoxal effects.

Although lighter opiods do not work well on kratom I can say a solid glass of poppy tea can hold me perfectly for about 2 days. It seems to roll right over the kratom.

But I am just going to taper the kratom, not really use any heavy meds other than black seed oil and gabapentin. Also a tiny bit of DXM. But I will wait till the end for other meds. Right now I can honestly say a 10 gr drop over the last few days feels freaking good!

Kratom was great for my depression, anxiety and blood pressure in the beginning but after so long being on and off its fucked that all to hell. Some days I wonder if I should've just stayed on dope (obviously not so much now that it's all fetty confetti)

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Even after a year+ of quitting kratom if I do ONE single six gram dose I'm getting withdraws for the next five days albeit not super severe withdraws but enough that Im very uncomfortable and depressed, to be fair though I been addicted to opiates since I was 11 no joke so my experience is probably going to be a lot different for someone whose not a fucking idiot. I just always found that super weird. Sorry for being off topic and reviving a dead thread. I know it's not how yall do things around here just excited I can finally talk to all of you