WarlordHarmony
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Bupe at home withdrawal from longterm suboxone use
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WarlordHarmony
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I used Clonidine and Ketamine today (day 19) and it really helped....I got half a g of really good Peruvian fishscale but due to stomach issues I just did two 30-50mg lines and feel great with the K and clonidine, though I'm insomniac I feel useful and I'm restoring old laptops and no restless legs, and feeling very social, I haven't done K in years and real coke in years as wel,m (I used tpo do coke in NYC whoch was mostly garbage except for this one I got in East New York) but good south American coke lasts and isn't as impulsive as the crap you get from D-Boys in the corners, damn it's gonna last me more than my weed, K or acid... don't recommend coke for wd's but I'm near week 3 and it was a nice break, especially being on clonidine really stoned K'd put and benzoed ....I was under the impression that taking Tramadol was oin a step back w/d wise.....can I take some on the weekend (took 300mg 3 days ago0 I have shitloads of trams but don't wanna overindulgesn't as impulsive, don't recommend it for wd's but I'm near week 3....I was under the impression that taking Tramadol was oin a step back w/d wise.....can I take some on the weekend (took 300mg 3 days ago) I'm more interested in taking it on the week when I have to meet people for work though as it mkes act more normal....strangely enough Ketamine (50mg insufflated) also made me very social and the coke took away the tiredness of the clonidine......but well I'm mostly looking for info on Continued Lope use during/after opioid (specifically) bupe wd's....also is the clonidine helping me be more constipated due to it's adrenergic properties on the al[ha 2 receptor and the whole parasympathetic thing on the stomach since my lower GI track is fine, but I have vesicular prolems a Hitaa Hernia and prolly upper tract problems, but a doctor friend told me the combo of clonidine and lope could wprk wonders for me due to that....also told me not to drink cold beverages, but I have terrible IBS even when I was using H daily unless I binged till nighttime I never got constipated.....docs still can't fin whats wron with me and it's kinda frustrating being off opies for 3 weeks and still feeling like if I was withdrawing from them....but I'd rather do this other drugs and talke a break, opioids took a big toll in my life (lost my best friend to an OD when he was 23, costed me loads financially on jobs/education lost,costrd me my marriage,made me had to come an live in South America, and so much more shit I'm tired of, but I gotta learn, I been on them for almost 15years except the rare stints on rehab on my early/mid 20s).....on Sunday it'll be day 21 free of bupe, I know loads of growers and I'm going to Uruguay to see some plantations in febraury, I've been offered Cannabis Tinvture and Extracts, I have some I made in everclear and one made with glycerine I got at a Cannabis Cup, and I find smoked cannabis much more efficient, I also have Dronabinol but took 3 once and then put the liquid over some bud on my pax vape and didn't feel anything.....so dunno, theworse part is the stomach part.....ironically due to the lope I can do K and Coke with no prob but I can't eat mpre than a meal a day and I have to smoke aroun an eight of good bud to get my appetite....well sorry for my rants, I just want some feedback, I feel so alone in this here, I know doctors and I'm in that field but Opioid addiction is none-heard of here, one of the reasons I came....and well in the past Blulight saved my life. So any reply would be appreciated.....even if it tells me it will all get worse....thanks a lot!!!
dopemegently
Bluelighter
Seriously impressive WLH; 19 days is very good, and a significant part in. The tramadol also helped me a lot in the past BTW. I'm jealous of that fishcale you used though tbh; I had some in the 'Dam once, and could never go back to the diluted garbage they sell here. Haven't used coke for years now. How was dealing with the comedown like in your bupe detox?
WarlordHarmony
Greenlighter
Thanks a lot DMG!!!! Don't feel as guilty for using tramadol and taking a bunch for future use now
I met with the druggy connoieur crowd at 19 after a work metting and before another one at 19:45 (where I went on K, clonidine, benzos,stoned and of a small line of fishscale, and felt as normal, or even more normal than when I was on bupe....don't wanna trade an addiction for another, especially here that ood coke is cheap and plentiful and everyone and their grandma has 'the best fishscale/rose pearlascent/straight out of the lab (fuck the straight out of the Kilo here means it came from Peru and there are labs makin 85%purity stuff here, they dismanted one that produced 500kg a month that was all sent to Spain), luckily I'm a downer guy and unless I was in y insecure teenage/20nothing days drunken with a borderline bipolar bad bitch that had just reached age of consent (pardon my French) I never liked binging on stimulants, damn I remember the first time I tried Meth, I was 19 in Vancouver and got fuckin scared of how long lasting and fast hitting it was, and I had loads of experience with coke and methylphenidate, pemoline, phentermine, gooey amphetamine sulphate, good old polish amps, but thoe shards were the scrist drug experience of my life (well I had a terrible trip with Salvia as well, weird cause I had enjoyed in the past and also enjoyed/enjoy DMT when available (like once every 5years).....also with my IBS and being on w/ds stimulants are a terrible idea, but I took 4mg of lope at 19 and for real you don't get real coke in NE USA, I mean yeah I met some Dominicans in Brooklyn that had fire, but on Harlem/Bronx/LES I got shit, my estranged wife is from NJ, in 2005/7 I travelled thru the NY/NJ/New England Area for work and was way more reckless and went to Newark, Patterson, Even went to Trenton and got fire ass dope and coke for 5 bucks (or 7,5/10 cause gave half a bag/shared some/copped a bag for my latino hookup, sorry if this sounds racist but I'm Scandinavian and NJ Niggaz are always trying to fuck me over.....they even kidnapped me in Newark and on 113st in Harlem, lol luckily I was broke so the ATM tour was a disappointment and I ended up smoking Crack with the Uncle of the D-Boy that put the gun on me when I exited the liquor store, but my fault for being strung out and a flashy sining flaming cracker obviously from abroad/not from the hood buying imported beer.....) ....I really don't know why th quality of coke dropped so much in the states and is going up incredibly in places like Spain/Italy/Germany/Portugal/France....damn even in my land of the north and the surrounding Scandinavian countries they are getting fire coke.....expensive as fuck though.....maybe it's cause NY it's full of assholes that know jackshit about anything and I'd totally rip them off as well, damn universities and corps steal them way harder than corner boys.....I really disliked the open scene in NY last time I was living there from 2011 till 2013, changed a lot since 2006.....loads of younger heads tryimg to be G whilst bastardizing everything.....damn this fishscale be amazing, I have a 0,5 rock and I just cut a 0,1 chunk and been doing really fine thin lines (`25mg arund every 90mins) and I'm doinf the same amount of Ketamine about 10mins before, I'm also scripted Lyrica,Sublingual Clonazepam,Zolpidem,Clonidine,Alprazolam and Diazepam, and might have some more benzos I'm not scripted but have laying around...so when it's quality and with my benzos I really don't havea problem coming down....the problem is more the IBS the next morning and the lack of sleep and having taken all the gabaergics.....but still being on all these drugs feels so much better than bein a slave to bupe.....I'm doing financial work on old laptops froom a compay of a friend that had to close due to corrupt latin amerian policies and I'm mang some good money, so that's a rush as well!!!!Damn I just really want my stoach to be normal, I know that with that I could treat all the reasons of my long term poly-abuse so much clearer, though I do psychoanalisis, psychotheraphy, meditation, Chinese diet and chiroprachtic bullshit, I'm involved in the medical community, and now I'm not seen as a druggie anymore, but as an ex-druggie with loads of empirial experience and a trilingual nerd with a really nice travel/drug log and a never ended nice project of a CV with really interesting jobs I always quit/got fired before the contract was up....but here in South America people don't judge you like that, so that's great for me, but also opiate abuse is unheard of, so I'm some sort of celebrity between psychiatrists and addiction specialists here, lol if there was an Intervention LatAm I could be one of them interventionist, the irony..... morphine IV is only given to cancer patients and in terminal stages, they give them tramadol for chemo....It's 100% French School and I'm 80% American School 10% French School 10% My Crazy Methods....sadly there's loads of cheap adulterated coke that tha's what the masses uses, and even worse the remains of when they turn the freebase into hcl and they extract it with Kerosen/Naphta and the purity is less than 10% to begin with and they dilute it with all kind of filth.....it's an epidemic, crack can't be compared to that shit, is like comparing sparkling fortified wine with Dom Perignon, the names are Chasqui in Uruguay Base/Pasta In Chile Paco in Argentina, Bazuco in Colombia (where it was invented in the 60s) Oxi (Brazilian slang, from oxidado, rusted....if you go to brazil don't try to cop Oxy's on the street from an afavelado or you'll get your high hopes destroyed, but if you do go to a border town farmacia you'll be glad
).....and well yeah I'm coked up, but gently, the only way I can stand it now, and I don't think I'm gonna do anymore today, unless the BitcoinsQT Sync from this old ass hard drives from old laptops from an aqqcuaintance keep taking forever.....damn intenet speed in south America....we don't even have 4G, 3G barely works, so if I need to make a bridge connection it would have to be on EDGE, lol....then again I can't complain till tomorrow when my IBS gets the best of me, there' an amazing thunderstorm outside and it's almost 3am, I still havw 3-4 hours of syncing, but I think I'll just do one ore line of k in 30mins coke in about 40mins, take cimetidine after and take my meds 45 mins after, I feellike I'm gonna fall asleep anyways, good coke is another ballpark....still I treat it with loads of respect and I think it's an awful drug that takes way much more than y beloved opioids from which I decide it's gonna be best for the both of us if we keep distance, except when we meet in the ER/Surgery Room/Chipping like I do with coke or booze (though with my IBS issues it's easier to keep those under control) I'm a Publishing agent for medical companies and know loads of professionals so getting benzos isn't a problem at all, I'm in the country that prescribes more benzos per capita...I'll have to kick that habit nxt, but now with almost 3 weeks without the bupe after 4yrs+ I really couldn't care less if I found a blister of flunitrazepam...gotta work the tolearance down, but they help me so much, same goes for pregabaline...well since I've been wding I'm writing like a fucking blogwhore and don't use paragraphs and ll that, I'm really sorry mods, but thi is the way it comes out naturally for me, I remember getting PAWS/CLAWS like ack a decade ago when my homeboy and Phreex were alive and we thought we were opioid invincible, I always been a manic writer...thanks so much for the reply DopeMeGently and for the reassurance that trams didn't fuck up my abstinence that badly as another poster had me believing, and yeah I dunno what's up with the coke in NE USA.....I mean there are connoiseurs getting primo stuff, but corner boy speaking in 2006 I could go on full cracker mode with 20bucks and get me decent to fire shit just for 10 and got a dub of weed, some coke (not fishscale but not the shit it's all over NY, damn even at a Colombian party in Queens, it looks like baking sugar...) or a bigger unstamped bag, also there were generally 2 boys, one receiving the money other handing the goods, now it's just 16year olds wanna be gangsters and pregnant bitches with manic panic dyed hair tring to slang you anything for any crazy price they pull out their ass...damn your G's need to get organized, gentifrication just inflates prices an creates a really unsafe delivery system IMO....lol well you can see this be good coke and that my mood is much better, sorry if this id more suitable for the joutnal, but it really displays how I feel so much better and can enjoy other drugs in moderation now I'm off bupe....hope this is of help to anyone withdrawing and if you have poly-substance abuse questions w/d' questions don't hesitate to ask....this is my first time quitting bupe but I quit everything from codeine phosphate to IV Colombian #4 to a plethora of legal opiods....I really hope this is the last step....I'll never be one of those guys that just grows his weed and only smokes and drinks.....but don't want to be physically dependant on opies for more than 50% of ,y adult life.....even if it hurts a lot and ironically in the surgival procedures I'll be having soon I'll be fucking doped out of my mind on fentanyl and for the post-surgery I can pretty much ask to have anything compounded....wanted to see how bad the pain is before asking for hydromorphone (it isn't imported here, so gotta get it compounded in a lab by a doc, but it's easier than cold coping good coke in Newark nowadays, the irony).....well now I feel better and have access to so many different drugs I also feel like it's a curse and that I'm more likely to relapse.....but I'm repulsed by bupe.....and well I now know I can feel more guilty about the coke than about the trams......the lope thng is still a mistery, but I really enjoyed this rant, mods if you wan to make a new topic/merge it with something of wtf NY/NJ street coke has gone so down in quality whilst the good shit on the rest of the world is getting better feel free.....I'll be doing LSD this weekend and try to solve some issues, was invited to an ayahuasca experience but I'm not prepared and with my stomach issues it would be a terrible idea, I asked if I just could take the DMT but it becomes active inside your body when you eat some of the other shit, you also have to do a 4week spefial diet (like with any MAOI), being so near the Amazonia and being able to do it for free I'll have to try, but I don't feel ready yet, and I hate the fact that I can't do it onmy own, that there's this whole Shaman/Community/Puke/Don'tSpeak/I'll Evangelize you bullshit...well to be a nerd druggie shut in quittin opiods LAtAm is the place to be, my Spanish is spot on, just wish I wasn't such a fucking skinny cracker...though it's better here than there, ghere I'm rar and 'unique' whilst up there I'm just another cracker junkie, lol I'm in w/d's and rediscovering amazing substanes to be bothered aroun with sex......but I've been asexual since my marriage fell apart, and was hypersexual on opioids.....so luckily/sadly for me opiods work really differently than for most people.....haven't done a line of nothing in I dunno how loing and now I just feel like downers....so I'm gonna save that line for tomorrow after 4hours of unrelated everyday bowel movements, then I'll take my clonazepam diazepam and cimeti dine and shower and then take the meds that cimetidine potentiates and do a mixed 25mg/25mg line of K/Coke and go to a meeting, luckily here times are really laisez-faire and you can call in telling the truth or the partial truth like (I'm hungover, I'm gonna np, can we meet in 2 hours that I'll be way sharper?).....can't believe how much such a low dose of bupe was taking for me, thanks for the support throughout the years as poster and a lurker BL community!!!
dopemegently
Bluelighter
Ah, don't worry about the skinny cracker bullshit; give it time and you'll look and feel yourself again, and confidence comes with that. Man, I wish I was where you are...South America, home of the best and the cheapest cocaine in the world. Jealous as fuck, mate - but that's just the junky in me talking. If I had access to plentiful supplies of that, I'd be a massive coke-head for sure. I've had reduced desire for sex too, it's the bupe:it's always given me reduced sensitivity in the cock, so sex can sometimes be a chore, unless it's somebody really, really fit. (Speaking of which, what do those beautiful Latino women think of us "gringos")...
I'm also considering trying ayahuasca, so please let me know how it works out for you. Anyways, stay strong; sounds like you're doing okay - just be careful of replacing one habit for another.
I'm also considering trying ayahuasca, so please let me know how it works out for you. Anyways, stay strong; sounds like you're doing okay - just be careful of replacing one habit for another.
missmeyet?
Bluelighter
Worldofharmony...I would definitely tell the anesthesiologist the whole big picture about what you are taking and what you are withdrawing from, how long etc. I say this because if your tolerance has fluctuated at all and if he is going of off how much opiates/opioids you normally take then it wouldn't be good. I only say this because with fent you just don't want to play around dosage wise..there is such a fine line between therapeutic dose and over dose.
phoeski
Bluelighter
so maybe someone can shout back at me here. ive been using suboxone IV for 1.5years. my average dose for a long time was less than 1 mg/day but recently its gotten higher.
ive been doing the white subutex on top of my orange. 4-6mg. (no where close to every day, maybe 2 times per week) my question is how bad is it coming off of IV because im starting to feel the need right around the 18 hour mark. how should i handle this? slowly lower my dose. i have plenty of medication and my valium script.
ive been doing the white subutex on top of my orange. 4-6mg. (no where close to every day, maybe 2 times per week) my question is how bad is it coming off of IV because im starting to feel the need right around the 18 hour mark. how should i handle this? slowly lower my dose. i have plenty of medication and my valium script.
dopemegently
Bluelighter
Hi there I also shot sub for a similar length of time, but luckily had a backup script to hold me. Taking it once or twice won't be enough to hold you: you'll be looking at some withdrawal IMO can you get it more regularly than that? And when you said you had plenty of medication, what kind of meds do you have?
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
You need to taper off. The best thing to do would be to switch to a sublingual ROA, then start decreasing your dose by whatever rate you are comfortable at until you get to around .5mg or .25mg, then hop off.
WarlordHarmony
Greenlighter
DMG: thx a lot for the kind words, it's really hard keeping the Ketamine under control, with coke I'm blessed cuz I'm a downer guy, though I just did a small line after waking up from a k-hole that felt like an opioid nod
and there are all kind of Latinas, some of them are even more 'gringo' than us, European ascent and all that shit, and most of them think we are fucking loaded because the currencies down here are so devaluated compared to the dollar (I know I can't source prices, but prolly many of you would save money taking a trip down south), so much more gold-digging than usual, but then again they are easy to fool and more willing, and they are really open to taking any drugs, damn even Rohypnol!!!! They find confidence in us thinking we have financial stability, ad I'm here cause I'm doomed like so many peers from y generation and work mostly from the internet cause the man/hour wages here are fucking laughable and since everything is illegal and everyone is crooked it's easy to find a way to huste.....I sell Dollars which is illegal, you can't buy dollars (I'm giving away my location, but fuck it) so I sell the ones I make with bitcoins and my gringo welfare state bank account to locals for hefty prices, and hustle at medical research centers, work with psychiatrists specialized in addiction, damn I brought buprenorphine to this country and told the medical community it was not just an analgesic patch or veterinary analgesic, but a heaven sent for addicts like me.....so well it's like I make a living out of my own wreck/addiction here and the cost of private medcal insurance is laughable and quality top notch.....so the internt connections might suck and now I have to work whole night due to having to bridge with 3G cause they don't have 4G here and wifi signals die all the time and there are blackouts constantly....but I'm in the right place for this, that's a reason I came here, it took me too long to get off the bupe, but I heeded it as a cushion and antidepredant, now I feel I can let it go....And missmeyet.....my life here consists of talking about drugs with people in the medical community that regard my empirical experience, so I'm even making a log on a notebook with the doses (approx. when I can't weigh) o every drug I've been taking in these past 16 days, even MDAI, Ketamine,Coke and all that, and you are very right...I thought that fent in a medical setting was way safer and that you sorta have a permatolerance after being a junky for so long....but better safe than sorry, will definitely talk a lot about the anesteshia!!!! Doctors are fucking sadistic and they know in the past I'd have killed to get a surgery with IV fent, and now that I really need it I'd do anything to avoid it.....the irony, well like Rob Ford said if you're fiscally responsible you can be a crackhead in the open here (haven't moked crack in years...and never plan to do it again) well, I only got K-Sleep tonight, it's 9am and I have a meeting at 18 and I'm still repairing a laptop due to the low speed of the connection.....so I might do some clonidine clonazepam (I was scripted up to 12mgs, so I have a hefty tolerance) zolpidem loperamide and intranasal liquid ket and nod out till 4/5pm....wish I could do this everyday, I really feel like I don't need any opiates whatsoever for the first time in decades, and it feels so amazing...I know the coke and K is magnifying it and that I'm over sensitive.....but damn I've been thinking, should I wait one more month for y procedure? I mean I read bupe PAWS can last 2-6months, I can't wait that long, but I can wait a month or two, do you thinkit'd be a better idea? I'm gonna be doing 11 drugs (4 illrgal, the rest scripted, none of them opioids) till the procedure....though I might take tramadol a couple of times after the first month of bupe abstinence.....woud that be a really bad idea? I already took on day 16....but the K with Lope and Clonidine works waaaaay better!!!! Wel if you can get K and are in bupe wd's I highly recommend, for you that are coming off IV bupe I'd recommend a taper, and when you're at a really low dose if you've evr don IV ketamine that's great to sleep which in the first 5 days is impossible at night though you'll nap all thru the workday....diazepam wit5h it's miorelaxants properties really help, I also take sublingual clonazepam and alprazolam for when the anxiety gets unbearable (more often than not) take it slow and day by day and try to stock up on W/D supplements both legal and illegal (depending where you live) but good weed, clonidine and ketamine have been an amazing opiate like combo and for the first time all the mental stress and restless legs syndrome were gone....they are back now and I don't feel like doing K right now....but it helps so much more than anything else I could take, damn I have some fine ass lemon kush but don't feel like hitting it cause it won't do a 100th of what the K did....but my tolerance to K was extremely low and I smoke bout 5grams to a quarter ounce of great weed a day and due to my networking/persona I only pay for like 1-2 grams of those 5-7 just cuz I want top notch hydro delivered...but the stuff being growm by locals for the Uruguayan market is top notch and now that it's summer if you efriend the growers they'll give it out like candy, but try to get you to slang it thinking you have like a thousand gringo friends and want to get involved in drug dealing in south America....yeah right, damn cool the amount of growing there is from Brazil to Argentina, the quality I really going up, fuk Paraguay and their cartel brick weed system, luckily Soros stepped in, one of my best friends here is Uruguayan and I helped him build a gay hostel at a nudist beach in Uruguay in 2010, and he has fields there and we have loads of genetic.....so I hope this is gonna be as good as when I was living in Malmo,Sweden and going to Christiania (the hippie taken over are of Copenhagen where weed and shrooms were sold freely)
(I'm living near Uruguay for many reasons, most had to do with finances and cheap good doctors and bing able to be someone by being myself something I couldn't do being a junky in America....both positive and negative things about South America, I always point the n egatives, now let me point a positive) Withdrawing in the summertime with almost 40 degrees Celsius is a bitch though.....but the winter I also a bitch for w/d'.....clonidine really helps with the sweating hot/cold flashes
phoeski
Bluelighter
word thanks for the advice. i know i needa put down the sticks for sure. i have no problem falling from ~6mg to~2mg without too much discomfort. its really the needle that im hooked on. i done a little "control" experiment last week. i went 3 days with none until i felt sick. then i did .25 mg injections every 45 minutes until i felt my ankles and legs loosen up (thats how i can tell every time.) sadly it was @ 1.5mg i was comfortable. i think im going to take a swan-dive here while i am unemployed and try to drop down to my 1 or 2mg a day. i feel comfortable on that dose, am able to maintain supply until i get into the clinic.
but i also have valium, gabapentin and propanolol(only for the shakes). but i want to stop the gabapentin and get on lyrica bcause of my back and residual surgery pains. the benzos n stuff help and what not but its kinda of making a whole new problem right under your nose.
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WarlordHarmony
Greenlighter
ditch the propranolol, betablockers after prolonged substance abuse can be dangerous, you're better off getting clonidine (catapress)
WarlordHarmony
Greenlighter
btw since I quit bupe I've been sneezing a lot (well like a normal person , aot for me), like allergies I always know beforehand and I seeze like 2/3 times, doesn't matter if I'm sober or off my rocker....I realized I never sneezed whilst on bupe, I know cold and allergy like symptoms are common in wd's (damn the first 10 days the runny nose and teary eyes, no Benadryl could with it.....luckily time passed and I got my clonidine)....anyone else noticed the sneezing thing? When I quit H I started getting colds after years of never having a flu and living without a problem from the north pole to south America whilst addicted to opioids (H, but for travelling and when I was low on cash oxys, ironically I got the oxys waaaaaay cheaper than the H which was bomb stuff of the K to be smuggled by Colombians to America via a less suspicious country and they just cut 5grams from each shipment for me for a hefty price cause I was a really good friend of a guy that was the husband of one of the Colombian girls and had vouched abput my high tolerance, first time they saw me they didn't wanna sell to me cuz they thought I was a noob and was gonna OD so I shot up about 0,2 of that raw in front of them and showed them my track marks....best connect I ever had.....luckily those days are long gone, but damn having gone mostly unhurted I can look at the memories in a more relaxed/apathetic way and they become great scenarios....my thought patterns have really changed since I quit the bupe as well, I'm more manic and depressed but then again I dunno if that's just being normal and having good days or bad days or hypomania/depression....well anyways I rant like there's no tomorrow, is the sneezing thing common?
phoeski
Bluelighter
i sneez like crazy as well as yawn and watery eyes.
WarlordHarmony
Greenlighter
damn the yawning is terrible too!!! And it brings tears to my eyes (w/d tears, I'm not that emotional) I also notice I have to spit like crazy when I'm smoking weed that I generally smoked mixed with tobacco....today I'm on coke,lope,benzos,clonidine and ketamine so I feel like an alien....but the spitting when smoking weed thing could be related to wd's or it could be something more severe like something in my upper GI tract? To give you an idea when I bake with another person at a car I end up spitting half a bottle of Gatorade....I love smoking weed but it's becoming cumbersome and sometimes I feel ashamed...I have a vap but it's not the same...and the teary eyes get better, I still have them on day 19 but thinking back on how I was on day 7-8 it feels like heaven, though I think to stomach my binge I had to take like 12mg of loperamide and I'm gonna ned more before I leave that house....is it ok to take such high doses of lope for a short period of time ad then taper? what's your experience been when using the 'OTC Methadone'....I didn't had chronic diarrhea/IBS back when I w/d'd from full on gonists, but the diarrhea was terrible for about 2 weeks and at rehab they considered lope an opioid so they only gave me pepto....I'm also having really nice almost lucid dreams since I quit opies, and I thought I didn't dream because of all the weed I smoke and benzos I take....and damn my dreams are so cool, I'm always travelling, I'm healthy, I have all the drugs money and hoes, it's such a disappointment when I wake up all sweaty with the restless legs kicking asking for lyrica....I was thinking of procuring 2 50mg/ml 50ml Ketamine jars for use during w/d's....I kniow about bladder and liver problems, but knowing me it's the safst bet...doyou think that if I take k-hole doses at nigt evry couple of nights to help me sleep that then I'll have problems getting to sleep without it? I have loads of benzos and z-drugs and even quetiapine,risperidone or thorazine if I go ballistic and need to be knocked down....not likely to happen with the K....I know it's substitution but well that's how I can maintain my opie abstinence , amd it also makes me smoke way less weed, so it will help lower my tolerance...did I have a glorious experience cause I'm wding and haven't done K in ages or is K such a good w/d aid I had heard mixed reports....especially since they use it in UROD and I heard nightmarish things, but then again I don't think you taper for months before going to an UROD....well input on Ketamine and Loperamide use/experiences/duration/tapering on the first weeks/months of opioid (bupe preferred in this case) is gonna be greatly appreciated
I get the sneezing thing too, usually 3 sneezes at a time. Also, I've been experiencing the mania type symptoms as well, but without depression. I think it's just how I'm dealing with all my feelings coming back again, and it's also my bodies way of combating the lethargy that usually comes with withdrawals.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
Yeah the 3 sneezes in a row is pretty common for a lot of people when kicking.
In detox, when someone sneezed, everyone else would start counting them out loud and they'd almost always be 3. Hah.
WarlordHarmony
Greenlighter
lol just woke up (day 20) and sneezed 3 times...Tommy: interesting theory that the mania is a way of fighting off the lethargy....when in wd's if I don't have something to do or can't nap everything's so dull....have a fun weekend, I took so much immodium yesterday and the day before I can drop acid now, and I think I will, maybe I'll add some NBOME to distort a little and add those flight simulator like cloud hallucinations...I think I've been doing more psychedelics in these last 3 weeks than on my 4years on bupe.....sex drive still not existent though....but wish I could feel stomachwise just like this every morning.....damn it reminds of when I was 'normal'....but I'd rather go back to an opie than be taking 30-40mg of loperamide every couple of days...thx for keeping me not so alone in my w/d and reinforcing my will to stay off opies, as you can see I'm a hypochondriac so the little things like knowing that there's nothing wrong with me because I'm sneezing 3 times in a row really eases my mind. Have a good weekend
gonnastopitall224
Greenlighter
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Day 8 I've been taking 4 2mg lope a day with 200mg of cimetidine (tagament) WD feel OK better when I keep myself busy but the thing that is getting me is all these damn emotions.... sad, angry, depressed and full on wanna knock some one out and I don't even know why(no specific reason anyway just the WD I suspect. I've had 1 bowel moving this whole time n even took ex lax which did not work.... when will it get back to good? Also I have a question about to robotussin.... will day quill work similarly? Well gotta get in shower... serving food today(not my normal job) I have no excitement or joy right now... even my kid is on my last nerve n that makes the depression worse... am I still going in the right direction? I printed a COWS sheet n have been scoring 10-12 which is mild WD. Any suggestions? Am I doing this right? What about after all this? Anything worth looking forward too? I want to be completely abstinent I've been using on n off for 10 yrs n the sub for the last 3... god I feel so twisted.....
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
it may have already been said but I was too lazy to read through every reply.
since you been taking bupe so long, it seems like you have a good supply, right? so why not TAPER off? why would you put yourself through withdrawals when it sounds like your a woman who seems busy and needs to make up for a bad past; so let's not waste 3-10 days in a house of misery. cut the bupe up as much as you can and start taking care of yourself that way.
you are on 2 or 6MG? why take one or other depending on day?
anyway, if on 2 try to cut down 1.5, or even 1. then .75 / .50 / .25 / sure, you can even go lower here but that call. all that right there are NOT many bupe to buy even on street value and would be MUCH BETTER than putting yourself through hell.
since you been taking bupe so long, it seems like you have a good supply, right? so why not TAPER off? why would you put yourself through withdrawals when it sounds like your a woman who seems busy and needs to make up for a bad past; so let's not waste 3-10 days in a house of misery. cut the bupe up as much as you can and start taking care of yourself that way.
you are on 2 or 6MG? why take one or other depending on day?
anyway, if on 2 try to cut down 1.5, or even 1. then .75 / .50 / .25 / sure, you can even go lower here but that call. all that right there are NOT many bupe to buy even on street value and would be MUCH BETTER than putting yourself through hell.