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At home rapid detox?

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Smags2.0

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Ive been addicted to some type of opioid or another for about 12 years, and once again I’m quitting this week. I’ve been using quite a lot of what is presumably fentadope (from west side Chi)… I’m obviously not looking forward to waiting 60 hours before administering suboxone, since I’ve been going into mild WDs at hour 4 or 5. So, I had an idea, and was hoping you folks could help me inderstand if the plan would work, if not, how dangerous it would be, etc….

So the idea is essentially an at home rapid detox. Same as one of these rapid detox places that cost a fortune—have a baby sitter watch over me, take a cocktail of alprazolam, trazadone, and seroquel, then take 16 mg suboxone as soon as that cocktail is knocking me tf out…

Could this work? Wouldn’t I just sleep through the WD, which would be drastically shortened bc it was precipitated?

Please help me understand if this is possible/safe etc. thank you
 
In my opinion and experience, you won’t sleep through Precips. It’s a good idea in your head/in theory ..: but I’d highly suggest not doing that to yourself…
You can still do a rapid tsper up and down, but trying to “beat the process” isn’t really a thing

I would strongly advise you not to take 16mg the first time.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
 
superenforcer said:
In my opinion and experience, you won’t sleep through Precips. It’s a good idea in your head/in theory ..: but I’d highly suggest not doing that to yourself…
You can still do a rapid tsper up and down, but trying to “beat the process” isn’t really a thing

I would strongly advise you not to take 16mg the first time.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
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Ok so follow up—my partner and I are going thru this together, and I have a question regarding her last attempt… At 48 hours in, I gave her 16 mg, 2 mg alpraz, 150mg trazadone, 100mg seroquel. She slept like a baby for 8 hours, but woke up in terrible withdrawals. Due to an emergency in her family, instead of giving her more subs she aborted and took some dope to pull it together.

So if I understand correctly, you believe (and this was my thought too at the time), that if that first dose of sub precipitated WD, she wouldn’t have slept those 8 hours right? So the WD she felt when waking up was because she didn’t have enough sub in her system yet? Or is it possible that she was experiencing the tail end of precips after 8 hours? Because from my understanding PWD is wayyyyy worse but also drastically shortened
 
I’m gonna double post here but I’m starting to think the only way out is a methadone taper… anyone have experience?
 
Ok I’ll do some more digging, and yeah I understand the fundamentals of how subs work… if you have links of folks who have succeeded with the Bernese method please share!
 
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I’m gonna double post here but I’m starting to think the only way out is a methadone taper… anyone have experience?
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So, I tried searching up different studies/articles to try and help clear things up a bit, but I didn’t have much luck.
It’s probably safe to assume you already did this though.

Usually, people are started off with either 2mg or 4mg, and they’re titrated up over 3 days (this was my experience) or they’re microdosed which takes a bit longer (roughly 7 days I think).

But now that fent/fent analogues and god knows what else is in dope or pills is much more common, it leaves a lot of uncertainty. It adds so many more variables into the mix.

What happened to your gf is unusual (in my opinion). My best guess, is that you’re probably right - she needed more suboxone. I would’ve sworn 16mg would’ve caused PWD.

I also feel like methadone might be your best bet where fent is involved , if you’re both looking for a quicker taper.

Im hoping someone who’s been through this recently will see this, and give you a more definitive answer. My apologies if I made things more confusing!
 
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Funny, while you folks were popping in and stealing the conversation towards methadone, I was on the phone with resources on my city, and I am choosing to try methadone this time.

However, now I have a new question, and if anyone thinks I ought to start a new thread, please lmk—I’m a long time lurker but still a wee green lighter….,

So here goes:
I understand that it’s difficult for folks ( like me) who use high doses of fent to get through the first few days since they have to start at 30 or 40 mg and increase from there.

I’m thinking about staying on dope for those first two or three days, stockpiling either 70 or 120mg, then I’ll actually take the first dose of 60 mg on day 4, And have my stockpile to help if needed. This way, as soon as I get to the most relieving dose (I suspect around 80-90mg), I can immediately begin to taper.

Timeline would go as follows:

Day1: pocket 30 mg

Day 2: pocket 40 mg

Day 3: pocket 50 mg, now with a total of 120mg stocked and ready to use if needed

Day 4: take60 mg as prescribed

Day 5: take 70 mg as prescribed

Day 6/or 7: whenever I feel fine in here, immediately begin tapering down.

Day 8/9 thru end: taper down by 20 mg the first day or two since with the long half-life I shouldn’t notice too much.

Example: If 80 mg has me feeling functional, then maybe I’ll take that dose once more on day 7, then…

day 8: 60mg
Day 9: 40mg
Day 10-12: 30,20,10….

This way I would only be ingesting methadone for 9 days, so I feel like the inevitable withdrawal from that would be a cake walk compared to these fent WDs that hit me like a fucking train after 5-8 hours.

Is this a viable plan?
 
I realize this was a while ago and you seemed to have made an alternate decision, but in case you ever find yourself interested in microdosing again I just wanted to say that I have done it successfully numerous times, based off a protocol created by some doctors in Canada. It’s tailored specifically for “the fentanyl era” as they call it or some shit lol. Point being it’s specifically designed to avoid any chance of precipitated wd. If ever interested, google Dr Pouya Azar - you will find tons of great info ( articles, studies, PowerPoints, even recorded zoom meetings where he explains the pharmacology & outlines the logistics. Includes case examples from different patients they’ve treated. Lots of info explaining exactly how much to take & when to take it and when u should stop using, etc etc)
 
If you're gonna rapidly detox you need some tools. Firstly don't 100% cold turkey, taper down over 7 days.

Then the tools:

Loperamide - You might as well deal with the CNS withdrawal first, then the peripheral withdrawal after. Loperamide will stop the diarrhea

Ketamine - For the very early days, when you can't cope, take a big dose of ketamine, it's ok to do it for the first few days

Gabapentin - It'll take the edge off some of the symptoms

Clonidine - Again take the edge off

NAC - It's a miracle supplement
 
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