Should I be present when my friend Iv for the first time. Me and my friend have been ride or die friends since kindergarten been thru everything from highschool graduation to my divorce hightimes and low times. I pulled him out of jams financialy and personal mistakes and he has done the exact for me . Alot of beer meth pussy and beat down alot of heads in fights but soon image have to make a decision about being with my friend when he Iv for the first time I don't know what to do I hate being around people Iv since my dad o.d. over Iv use and that's how my mom became a serious user. But I don't want him to be alone aether. And the other question is what's the safest amount to Iv meth for first time incase it comes to me being there for supervision and protection
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Spiking yourself, in the arm, with Meth?
To help a friend?
Must be a HELL OF A FRIEND, first of all..
Secondly, I suggest you have a serious talk with him, when he's feeling well, and talk about the possibilities of LIFE.
Sobriety, total, is not a possibility for many people. (I consider anti-depressants and anti-psychotics as drugs as well...imagine)
Probably best to speak to him, rationally, without jabbing a spike in your arm for the first time...
My opinion.
Spiking yourself, in the arm, with Meth?
To help a friend?
Must be a HELL OF A FRIEND, first of all..
Secondly, I suggest you have a serious talk with him, when he's feeling well, and talk about the possibilities of LIFE.
Sobriety, total, is not a possibility for many people. (I consider anti-depressants and anti-psychotics as drugs as well...imagine)
Probably best to speak to him, rationally, without jabbing a spike in your arm for the first time...
My opinion.
No I would never Iv I wasn't gonna Iv with time I was just gonna hang out and chill to make sure he don't o.d. but I'm afraid to cuz he is my friend and I don't wanna see him induce drugs to the body the way my dad did when he o.d. witch was by his self naw I couldn't shoot up
Swimmingdancer
Bluelight Crew
^I thought tina meant he/she was just going to be supervising, not partaking?? EDIT: wrote that before you replied
I would say that as far as keeping your friend safe it's definitely better for someone to be present while he injects (and for quite a while afterwards), if he's made his mind up he's definitely going to try IV. Then at least there is someone there to call for help if something goes wrong.
But you do also have to consider how this will affect you. Will it make you want to start using IV meth? Will you really be able to resist doing it yourself? Will it be too upsetting for you? Will you be enabling him in some way (like would he feel like you approve? would he feel safer to do risky stuff since he thinks someone can just call an ambulance if necessary? although the opposite could also be true, that he might take less risks knowing someone is watching).
This is a really personal decision, there are pros and cons with either option.
Safest amount for him to start with is a super tiny amount, like 5-10mg (like 1/2 a match head). But how is he even going to measure it? Remember, he can always use more if it isn't enough but he can't undo it if he takes too much. Street meth can vary so much in potency and different people will react differently to different amounts, and it also depends on tolerance.
I would strongly suggest to your friend that he research methamphetamine injection and safer intravenous practices (how to prep the shot, filter it, how to inject as safely as possible, etc) thoroughly before even considering attempting injecting meth. And to think long and hard about the risks and the strong probability of serious addiction.
I would say that as far as keeping your friend safe it's definitely better for someone to be present while he injects (and for quite a while afterwards), if he's made his mind up he's definitely going to try IV. Then at least there is someone there to call for help if something goes wrong.
But you do also have to consider how this will affect you. Will it make you want to start using IV meth? Will you really be able to resist doing it yourself? Will it be too upsetting for you? Will you be enabling him in some way (like would he feel like you approve? would he feel safer to do risky stuff since he thinks someone can just call an ambulance if necessary? although the opposite could also be true, that he might take less risks knowing someone is watching).
This is a really personal decision, there are pros and cons with either option.
Safest amount for him to start with is a super tiny amount, like 5-10mg (like 1/2 a match head). But how is he even going to measure it? Remember, he can always use more if it isn't enough but he can't undo it if he takes too much. Street meth can vary so much in potency and different people will react differently to different amounts, and it also depends on tolerance.
I would strongly suggest to your friend that he research methamphetamine injection and safer intravenous practices (how to prep the shot, filter it, how to inject as safely as possible, etc) thoroughly before even considering attempting injecting meth. And to think long and hard about the risks and the strong probability of serious addiction.
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Renz Envy
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Do you have any idea how meth can kill a person?
Sure I can eat a lot of vitamin C and live, but what makes meth kill you? Why should he be worried about dying from a meth overdose? A lot of people tell me your heart explodes. As someone interested in medicine, I find this so painfully ignorant that I understand why it's illegal to begin with. Yes, the aorta can tear, but an explosion?
First thing he needs to find out is if he has a heart problem.
Second, you all need to read about how meth kills you. "He did meth and got dead". Doesn't work like that. It actually has a chain reaction of effects that can be witnessed and avoided. For example, severe hypertension and tachycardia leads to overheating, failure of the kidneys, build up of waste and a heart attack/cardiac arrest. A metallic taste in the mouth accompanied by severe overheating = ER.
Third:
Fourth, accept the fact you might actually be afraid to take him to the ER if he OD's. Do it anyway. Someone might call you stupid for taking meth, but somewhere in another world an OD situation happens all the time and everyone is too afraid of judgment to save a human life. Everyone can talk you down for being associated with a scary, hard drug, but just be proud of the fact that you actually did the right thing.
Sure I can eat a lot of vitamin C and live, but what makes meth kill you? Why should he be worried about dying from a meth overdose? A lot of people tell me your heart explodes. As someone interested in medicine, I find this so painfully ignorant that I understand why it's illegal to begin with. Yes, the aorta can tear, but an explosion?
First thing he needs to find out is if he has a heart problem.
Second, you all need to read about how meth kills you. "He did meth and got dead". Doesn't work like that. It actually has a chain reaction of effects that can be witnessed and avoided. For example, severe hypertension and tachycardia leads to overheating, failure of the kidneys, build up of waste and a heart attack/cardiac arrest. A metallic taste in the mouth accompanied by severe overheating = ER.
Third:
Fourth, accept the fact you might actually be afraid to take him to the ER if he OD's. Do it anyway. Someone might call you stupid for taking meth, but somewhere in another world an OD situation happens all the time and everyone is too afraid of judgment to save a human life. Everyone can talk you down for being associated with a scary, hard drug, but just be proud of the fact that you actually did the right thing.
Swimmingdancer
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Yeah, that's really good point, research the side effects of meth, and which ones are signs of a dangerous situation. The risk is not just that he might take too much in one shot. He could take too much over time. Adverse effects can come on slowly. It can actually be hard for you to know if/when a person needs medical help or not. As Renz Envy said, a metallic taste and overheating are signs that it's time to call emergency. If you are in doubt don't hesitate to call 911/emergency services. Usually a dangerous rise in body temperature and/or blood pressure are common signs of an OD, and of course things like a seizure or signs of a heart attack would be a reason to call 911 too.
Then of course there are other potential problems like meth psychosis, dehydration, etc.
Also what are you going to do if he just wants to keep shooting more every couple hours and go on a binge?
Then of course there are other potential problems like meth psychosis, dehydration, etc.
Also what are you going to do if he just wants to keep shooting more every couple hours and go on a binge?
Engage
Bluelighter
Wish I coild 'multi-quote' here.
but this statement:
Had me confused.
So it's his first time or...?
Second 'multi-quote response', Renzy Envy.
It's not death. Maybe. It's the life you lead...slowly...before death.
Circling the drain....slowly...wishing you were dead.
Cocaine doesn't 'explode your heart'...but I knew someone that OD'd after 2 months of starting 'IV'.
Not sure were you live but in the US ...Meth is a serious drug problem.
But yeah, things seem to get overblown, 'CRACK! One hit and you're an addict. It changes yr brain forever!'
Okay...well..this causes kids to not believe ANYTHING they hear about the dangers of drug use.
(EDIT: Not that anyone should start using crack. It's waaaaay overrated, and still dangerous. Personal body chemistry I guess)
Just in case the DEA is watching these boards, and, ahem, why wouldn't they?
Lastly, how are your parents?
and, how long have they been using?
Take your friend, if he's willing, and are are up to it, to the grave.
To your mom.
Show him what the end off that road looks like.
but this statement:
Misread the meaning of the OP. My mistake.
Had me confused.
So it's his first time or...?
Second 'multi-quote response', Renzy Envy.
It's not death. Maybe. It's the life you lead...slowly...before death.
Circling the drain....slowly...wishing you were dead.
Cocaine doesn't 'explode your heart'...but I knew someone that OD'd after 2 months of starting 'IV'.
Not sure were you live but in the US ...Meth is a serious drug problem.
But yeah, things seem to get overblown, 'CRACK! One hit and you're an addict. It changes yr brain forever!'
Okay...well..this causes kids to not believe ANYTHING they hear about the dangers of drug use.
(EDIT: Not that anyone should start using crack. It's waaaaay overrated, and still dangerous. Personal body chemistry I guess)
Just in case the DEA is watching these boards, and, ahem, why wouldn't they?
Lastly, how are your parents?
and, how long have they been using?
Take your friend, if he's willing, and are are up to it, to the grave.
To your mom.
Show him what the end off that road looks like.
Swimmingdancer
Bluelight Crew
The multi-quote button is to the right of the quote button, it looks like a little stack of paper. Just select it next to each post you want to quote, then hit "quote" on the last one. If you just want to quote parts of people's posts, you can then delete the text you don't want to quote, as long as you leave the quote tags [quote=username]text here[/quote] intact (don't accidentally delete one of the ] or something).
Engage
Bluelighter
Okay, cool. Thank you. 'SD'. But...
Now...Now, I wish there was a 'Give This Person a Star / Reputation Point' button!
For helpful posters and Mods and such. I'll just stop there not to get off point.
(Please Lord, tell me there's not already a button for that...)
Still think spiking yrself with Meth is a really, really bad ridiculous desperate idea, so yr right, 'Tina16th'.
..and you should do anything possible to talk him out of it. ~~> Including what I mentioned before.
or, bring him some hash or BC Bud, or...get him pissed.
Edit: TOTALLY pissed. Put some Vicodin in the vodka.
"Here man, have some voddy! Yeah! Now ..no-no-no....wait ONE more small glass! Yeah!!!
Oh, okay yr too hammered to do the injection? Well, hmmm....
Let me do it for you then, as yr friend, yr best friend,
I'll do you this BIG favor..."
*Walks overs and squirts the METH-shit in the toilet*
Anything.
Good luck.
Be safe.
Now...Now, I wish there was a 'Give This Person a Star / Reputation Point' button!
For helpful posters and Mods and such. I'll just stop there not to get off point.
(Please Lord, tell me there's not already a button for that...)
Still think spiking yrself with Meth is a really, really bad ridiculous desperate idea, so yr right, 'Tina16th'.
..and you should do anything possible to talk him out of it. ~~> Including what I mentioned before.
or, bring him some hash or BC Bud, or...get him pissed.
Edit: TOTALLY pissed. Put some Vicodin in the vodka.
"Here man, have some voddy! Yeah! Now ..no-no-no....wait ONE more small glass! Yeah!!!
Oh, okay yr too hammered to do the injection? Well, hmmm....
Let me do it for you then, as yr friend, yr best friend,
I'll do you this BIG favor..."
*Walks overs and squirts the METH-shit in the toilet*
Anything.
Good luck.
Be safe.
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