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Astrology Discussion: Natal Charts

A bump for all of you who have an interest in astrology. Haters need not reply.

I don't mind if we go off topic a bit. Mercury went retrograde on Tuesday - it's nailing the shit out of my 5th House (romance, kids) South Node (karma). Pluto also crossed my IC into my 4th house a couple weeks ago. Needless to say, my family/home life has been FAR less than stable, the transformations that have happened to me in the past week alone are absolutely shocking.

Saturn's also dancing on my 11th house Leo stellium, opposing said South Node...

I'm not having a lot of fun right now! I know this will all pay off - Saturn and Pluto give back if you learn their lessons well - but FUCK. this period of transition is kicking my butt heartily!
 
wow sorry to hear that love. I wish i could contribute to the discussion eruditely but alas im less than a novice at this. things seem in my life stagnant but i feel im keeping it at this level to learn something. i wonder if my natal chart reflects this.
 
Phil - you and I are proof that we can transcend charts that are NOT in harmony with each other (about as far apart as possible - I'll post mine again if you will) but can still be as close of friends as we are.

I had a weird experience last night. There is a pseudo-psychic next to my favorite pizza place on the next block from me. I thought I'd go in and meet her. She wanted to read my palm and make me pay her a $500 retainer. I asked her for a resume and she couldn't produce one. She also told me to quit astrology, that it was "dark light". I did not study this shit to give it up.

So many people who purport to be in the metaphysical are so full of shit. I know my truth, and I don't always like it, but I am not paying someone a $500 retainer to tell me that my years of study are worthless. I'm reporting her to the Better Business Bureau as a disreputable business owner.

Gung Hay Fat Choy, to celebrate the Lunar New Year :)
 
Wow, haven't looked at this page for a looooong time.

Looks like there are many people here with good knowledge. Can anyone (jillian included :)) give any new insight on my chart? (Its still on the 1st page of this thread).

I am becoming more and more rusty at this due to lack of practice and also my favourite thing to blame, hehe - my newest benzo habit (tapering currently...).

I have noticed that people with heavy Libra (especially plain ol' sun-in-libra) tend to influence me very strongly. Any input on that?

Also, since my birthday has been relatively recent, does anyone here know how to do solar-retaurn (or lunar-return) charts?

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Mariposa- I looked through here and didn't find your chart....Was it removed or am I just not seeing it?Im new and not so familiar with how things work here-so maybe Im missing something?In your above post you said a palm reader told you to quit astrology- Are you a professional astrologer? I was thrilled to find this thread and look forward to reading through it more! :)
 
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I've noticed lots of talk about planets moving in and out of my sign lately, but unfortunately, the horoscopes I've been reading are clearly more tripe than analysis. Can anyone give me a leetle beet more detail? My birthday is March 21st, 1985, and my full chart is on page 3 in this thread. Thaaaaank yoooooouuuuu :)
 
>>"which sign should you be?"
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I took the test. I'm a cancer, and I got cancer. I have qualms though. On roughly all but one of the questions, I disliked all 12 possible choices.

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Kitty- I will take a stab at your transits- You asked about planets in "your sign" The sun is in your 11th house in aries- sitting between merc and venus- and tranisting mercury is just about to cross over your sun and moon in your 11th house- This, with jupiter conjoining your 7th house line- I'd say you'd be very social at this time. There may be new people who come into your life that mentally stimulate you. (or old friends you are learning to understand in a different way ) Love and being loved can play a big part in decision making at this time....... Until recently you have had pluto in your 7th house of relationships(it still is there)- you may have felt that ,when it comes to romantic relationships, you cannot connect with people. Pluto can sometimes have a way of isolating us-(among other things) But jupiter to the rescue:) Jupiter there now may take some of that out of this house..Jupiter is expansion , so i'd expect throughout the time jupiter is there you will be open to new relationships or growing within existing ones. Jupiter is also the ruler of Sagittarius, which is the sign of this house cusp (7th) another positive sign for your relationships to come..... But I would be curious as to what staurn is doing to your family life- Saturn is making a conjunction to your 4th house cusp (home,family,etc.) (but in the 3rd siblings-communication and short travel) Saturn represents extra responsibility and can sometimes show where there are difficulties (among other things).....???? I think this is getting long-
 
Can anyone tell me what they look for in a chart for accidents? Tranist/progressed or solar returns...... Ive been looking at saturn-uranus and mars....im wondering if anyone has anything else and what aspects/houses ???? Noone seems to really go into this anymore but thought id try.....my father is having a few years of BAD luck and im hoping to see when it may end. Thanks!
 
ocean said:
Can anyone tell me what they look for in a chart for accidents? Tranist/progressed or solar returns...... Ive been looking at saturn-uranus and mars....im wondering if anyone has anything else and what aspects/houses ???? Noone seems to really go into this anymore but thought id try.....my father is having a few years of BAD luck and im hoping to see when it may end. Thanks!

Mars/Saturn/Uranus - particularly squares. I have Mars and Jupiter square Uranus natally, and Saturn in a wide square to my MC.

I have a tendency toward accident proneness, for sure. Saturn will smack my 11th house stellium later this summer, and I've been lucky to plan all the air travel that I can before then.

In your own chart, I'd look to hard aspects by transit between the three nasties above to your MC/IC axis. Particularly conjunctions or oppositions.

I look at transits for tendencies toward certain events, but a lot of people have luck with secondary progressions. Not my thing but if it works for you...

ocean, are your parents still together?
 
Yes- my parents are still together. :) Why do you ask?
Thanks for your reply:)
Oh! question- why mc? why ic? I was thinking 1st (for the physical) and 6th (for the health) BUT I thought i had read somewhere the mc too- Im wondering why that is?
 
Hehe....I came across Friday Kahlo's chart (she is one of my most favorite artists in the world) on Astrodatabank and I'd just like to share the corresponding chart interpretation by an anonymous person on the web.....it really reveals the story of this womans life . I loved reading this. :)
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1ADB GoldStar The following are my answers to the questions about Frieda Kahlo's chart:
1. The Moon, which rules the body as well as the emotions, is actually in a square to the Ascendant. This suggests Frieda's physical body, as well as her emotions, were placed in conflict with others/environment through her interactions. In terms of emotions, this aspect can make a person overly subjective, unreasonable or dependent. It can also make a person overly protective. In terms of the physical manifestation, it indicates that the person's interactions with others/environment always involve an element of vulnerability, nurturing, dependency or defensiveness. The fact that the Moon is at the top of the chart reinforces Frieda's physical vulnerability--both her emotions and her physical scars were visible.

Further, the Sun is in an opposition to Mars. Sun/Mars aspects always add an element of stress to the health of a person because Mars will not let a person rest. The individual is driven either by inner or external demons/obstacles. Sometimes a person just grows up in a tough neighborhood. When you add Uranus conjunct Mars, this restless, driven person is also accident prone. If opportunities are not created early on in which the person can express his/her individuality in a unique way, Uranus will do it for them. The Sun/Mars/Uranus aspect by itself is so explosive I would have thought Frieda lived through a war in which she had to dodge bullets. But the war she lived through took place on the battle ground of the houses involved--11th/5th--aspirations, dreams,love and art.

Finally, with regard to physical pain, almost anyone with a Venus Saturn square in his/her chart (like Frieda) is going to be confronted with unusually cruel pain of some kind. Frequently this will be on a regular basis. In order to handle the experience, the person channels the energy in some way--it can help someone develop the ability to endure harsh physical circumstances. Mountain climbers often have Venus/Saturn aspects. They seek the pain; it allows them to access a part of themselves they can't get to otherwise. On the down side, many abused housewives have Venus/Saturn aspects--Nicole Simpson being a prime example. Venus rules pleasure and Saturn inhibits whatever it squares, so at very best, a person's ability to feel pleasure is inhibited with this aspect--this implies illness. Now, when you add Pluto square Saturn to the equation (Fate versus the Cosmic Cop)it gets more complicated but the good news is that Pluto will win in the end because it's stronger than Saturn. Saturn square Venus robbed Frieda of feeling physically valued, pleasured and beautiful, but Saturn square Venus/Pluto required her to wage a relentless battle between her deeply sensual nature (Venus) which were synonymous with her power drives and libido (Pluto) with her need for order, propriety and approval (Saturn). The physical torment of her illness was a manifestation of this ongoing power struggle which, at root, is the struggle between her need for detachment (Venus/Pluto in Gemini) and her need to surrender (Saturn in Pisces). Saturn rules the skin, bones and teeth; Pluto the reproductive organs. Her pelvis was pierced in the trolley accident and that was why she could not have children. Later in life she had a series of operations hoping to fuse her spine back together.

Chiron in the 6th unaspected simply means that health was the place in her life where she would be unable to help herself. The fact that it's unaspected doesn't seem surprising--she doesn't come across as someone who felt a huge mission as a teacher. It's interesting, however, to note that the 6th house, in addition to health, is the house of hygiene--in the film of her life the gangrene in her toes seems to come as a surprise.

2. Venus/Pluto provides an intense, mesmerizing experience of love, beauty and art. Saturn squaring it robs the person, one way or the other of this experience. Perhaps robs is the wrong word. If Frieda's Venus/Pluto conjunction were not afflicted, she probably would have married a rich man, bought a lot of art and lived lavishly and painted for fun. Leona Helmsley has a Venus/Pluto conjunction (in Cancer) but it is NOT square Saturn (and she will not go down in history as a painter but shopper and a tax evader). Saturn square Venus/Pluto required Frieda to "justify her love." She had this intense Venus/Pluto experience inside her--a deep connection with endless sensual and artistic resources--but it is in a mutable sign--Gemini. Her intellectual "riches" (Venus/Pluto in Gemini) were constantly challenged by Saturn in Pisces, which demands the native surrender to a universal experience. Having a philandering husband enabled her to face her own fickle nature and to examine the true value of art, beauty and love--are they what it's all about or merely trinkets and toys? Poverty, neglect, penalization, loss, degredation, punishment, stigmatisation--these are the faces of Saturn. Saturn kept popping up to prevent her Venus/Pluto experience but instead she transformed her experience. She could not be the "only one" even though she was his wife--but she was no bimbo. She became a serious painter. The Venus/Pluto square Saturn is a classic indicator of an artist.

Frieda totally had a victory in life--she turned her pain in love--the continual degredation of having the treasures inside her (Venus/Pluto) invalidated by Saturn (Diego) into the motivation to paint. Pluto won in the end because her "riches"--her art--are what survived.

3. Again, I think considering Frieda's chart, she had a total victory in life. With a chart like hers, it's surprising she wasn't killed off early on--the Jupiter/Sun conjunction is what carried her through. A Taurus moon is strong, too, and Leo rising enables you to appear in public even when you're at your worst. I think the real question is what would this woman's life have been like if she had not had Diego Rivera with whom to act out all of the planetary configurations in her chart? If we look at the chart by itself, and leave what we know about the two of them out of it, her chart is the chart of a talented, humorous, unpredictable hellion who could not be counted on but was never dull to have around, providing they didn't destroy your house or get into fights with everyone they met (Sun/Neptune/Mars/Uranus). Sun/Jupiter would enable her to get away with just about anything and would tend to make her careless taboot. It is the Venus/Pluto/Saturn aspect which brings true depth to this chart--otherwise she is too much of a lunatic. And Diego was a Sagittarius with a Sun/Venus conjunction and a Moon/Neptune conjunction in Taurus.

It's clear to me that beyond the lessons of Frieda's life, she had a mission to teach this mutable man who saw women as phantoms of his libido rather than real people how to love a woman, how to value someone else as much as your own life and how the love between two people is sacred and viable and as worthy of one's complete devotion.
 
Interesting you decided to post an artist of the past that you like. I was going to do the same just now, assuming this thread was dead and deserved a bump!

Here's Jimi Hendrix (found the birth time via a documentary I was recently watching)

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Is anyone familiar with Ceres -Juno or Lilith?? Im really curious and feel Im not fully undertsanding how to interpret these in both natal and transit charts....... Ive only just gotten into asteroids and feel stuck when it comes to them. I read and read but don't really feel like ceres= this. or juno=this......if that makes sense? Any opinions?
 
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