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Are your high thoughts real thoughts?

I was just reading through this thread again and thought to myself that we need a schizophrenic to weigh in on this topic.
 
I don't agree that it lowers your ego, *but* why would having your ego lowered make thoughts more real?


See, I went to answer this and realized I don't have the psychological knowledge to adequately convey my train of thought...

Basically, I'm thinking that a person with less of an ego, superego and id would have thoughts that are more to the core of that persons mindset/psyche. Essentially, thoughts that are more "them."


As I was typing that, though, I felt like there was something inherently wrong with what I'm saying.... I just can't figure out what the fuck it is.
 
See, I went to answer this and realized I don't have the psychological knowledge to adequately convey my train of thought...

Basically, I'm thinking that a person with less of an ego, superego and id would have thoughts that are more to the core of that persons mindset/psyche. Essentially, thoughts that are more "them."


As I was typing that, though, I felt like there was something inherently wrong with what I'm saying.... I just can't figure out what the fuck it is.

This^

And its your ego telling you its wrong. It sucks, doesn't it?
 
^No offence meant guys, but I think you're talking silly. I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at but there are probably less confusing ways to describe it. Unless you're just joking around in which case I'm being a bit dense.^

To the OP: Your thoughts are real but they might not be entirely justified. Drug induced thoughts often deserve to be investigated, but ultimately you also sometimes have to spend a long period off drugs to guarantee staying sane. Sober thought is really the best overall, I have no doubts about that. Sometimes you won't find an answer that satisfies you until you look away and distract yourself for a while. Eventually when you come back to it things are clarified, the unimportant stuff often stripped away. And occasionally you even need to just forget about it altogether, indefinitely.

Sometimes it's only by comparing the feelings and thoughts you have experienced over a much longer time that you get a truly deep appreciation of something. Don't linger on one thing for too long at a time... You can always come back to them later.

Just lay off the chronic for a while then see how you feel. I'd give yourself at least a couple months without it. Seriously, it's not necessary. I mean this in the nicest way possible :) Watch some comedy, have a couple of beers with your mates, listen to some different, fresh music, walk new streets etc etc

I think I've been in comparable mindsets to yours right now. Don't give in to the idea that thoughts alone can destroy you, if that is something that is bothering you.

If you want any more tips, just ask. Hope it was helpful.
It is good to be introspective often, but there is sometimes a thing as thinking too much over stuff... I should know, I'm particularly guilty of this, I've learned.
 
^No offence meant guys, but I think you're talking silly. I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at but there are probably less confusing ways to describe it. Unless you're just joking around in which case I'm being a bit dense.^


Personally, I'd love for you to describe what I was trying to say for me. It was a bitch trying to explain myself and I fully agree that my post was confusing as fuck.

I don't think it's silly, though. What's silly is my inability to say what I'm thinking right now, and it's actually starting to piss me off. :sus:
 
Personally, I'd love for you to describe what I was trying to say for me. It was a bitch trying to explain myself and I fully agree that my post was confusing as fuck.

I don't think it's silly, though. What's silly is my inability to say what I'm thinking right now, and it's actually starting to piss me off. :sus:

Don't let it piss you off, just realize what is causing those feelings.
 
what a silly topic.

real thoughts, as opposed to unreal thoughts? you change the (amount of) chemical reactions and uptake in your brain when you use most drugs, but it's still your brain.
 
what a silly topic.

real thoughts, as opposed to unreal thoughts? you change the (amount of) chemical reactions and uptake in your brain when you use most drugs, but it's still your brain.



youve obv never had a fake thought before
 
haha!

I mean, clearly drugs can *alter* thoughts from where they were sober, but a 'thought' is a thought, whether sober or drunk, high or schizo. If you're thinking, you thought, end of story ;P
 
i have been like this and thought like this since i was younger. i wake up everyday ready to do anything, then i go smoke a bowl and still ready for anything, have had many jobs in my life but still life is the same and right now i need a job. same time yes my thoughts are still the same reguardless, however after ive smoked some bud, i seem to be more relaxed
 
You should take a break from the getting high part until things are sorted out somewhat when in a sober state of mind. Doing yoga and or just regular exorcise will help your brain relax and you can start sorting through your thoughts with somewhat more clarity. You should have this technique of focus and relaxation nailed before you start doing any drugs at all to be honest. Else you bypass the natural order of things and shit will hit the fan. I mean, one does not go skydiving without a parachute. ;)

I would really recommend that you at least put your thoughts down on paper when stoned and review it a day or two later(time is key here), and try to not let your self-defense mechanisms dismiss them out of hand, throw all your preconceptions out the door and maybe share them with your friends or complete strangers on the internet, and gain more confidence in the brilliant awesomeness of your own mind. Don't worry, questioning your own sanity it is a good thing.
Every thought is illusory, only when we choose to act upon them can they manifest into the real world.
 
I am actually quite surprised I found your post here, as I am in the exact same situation.

Unless I am able to keep the thoughts at bay and focus on other things, I constantly find myself apparently noticing things about my friends and boyfriend in particular that make me feel like I just don't want to be with him anymore. I will notice things about his personality that make me feel like he is dumb or embarrassing though I never have those feelings while sober. I have even noticed small things about his appearance that I dislike while I am high that I continue noticing through the entire trip.

I have been struggling with this for the past few months, though in the beginning of our relationship we got high together often and I never felt these things.

What I have come to believe is that I do love him, and that I cannot trust my high mind as much as my sober mind. Though this goes against all of my previous beliefs that marijuana would bring me to a higher enlightenment, I believe it to be true. When you are high yes you realize things that are very deep and meaningful and most likely true; things about human relationships, about music, about the universe and about your own feelings. But just because we realize truths does not mean we cannot come to false assumptions.

Weed makes many people become more analyzing and introspective, so could this not account for our changed feelings about our boyfriends? We become a different person while high, so perhaps the person we are while high is not compatible with our boyfriends. However, who we are I believe is only known when we are sober, and when we have demolished our egos as much as possible while sober.

In conclusion, if you love him when you're sober, tell the bad thoughts while high to fuck off and continually work on pushing them out of your mind while high so you can focus on really meaningful insights or simply having fun.
 
"Whatever you think is delusion."
- Dainin Katagiri; teacher of Zen Buddhism

However, like others have said though, if you're beginning to question the validity of the thoughts you have while high, it's probably time to take a long break from marijuana (and drugs in general) before you get lost in the rabbit hole. Even if the thoughts were valid, which many/most aren't, sometimes it's best to leave it well alone... ignorance is bliss, and all.
 
When you are high yes you realize things that are very deep and meaningful and most likely true; things about human relationships, about music, about the universe and about your own feelings. But just because we realize truths does not mean we cannot come to false assumptions.

Amen.
 
ya, thats why i quit. I ALWAYS wanna give it another try especially since i have trouble with other drugs and since basically being clean for the past 2 months with only 1 slip up on meth(ya, i know) I feel that i still need something to help my everday life and perspective on things and smoking weed can make me see things in a more intense way, like the pressure of taking responsibility in life and even worry about problems that will come ahead, or are already there. BUT I wasnt always like this on weed, i used to NEVER have a bad time on it, but spice fucked that up for with an anxiety attack, but thats a story for another time. ANYWAYZ wut im saying is im lost with you and it sucks knowing weed ,an amazing drug experience if you let it, can have such negative effects just with a little subconscious. There really isnt an answer to this, its all trying not to care and simply saying, "You know what, FUCK IT! Bring it on stress!" thats how i got over anxiety. Who are we to let our own brains tell us what to think and feel (unles your on crack....which we arent!). we control our selves and need to have self pride then maybe when that fear of life comes at you, you can turn it into and self-esteem boost and only focus on being a better person, EVEN IF YOUR NOT BAD! we can always be better no matter what. THAT is the meaning of life.

goodluck and i know saying is easier than doing but the fact that you notice this shows that you will concur it eventually :)
 
Pot can get seriously introspective. It also helps you make connections you normally would never make. Also, it is prone to causing a sense of profound realization, such as when you realized that nobody could fit the bill 100%.

Take a break from the weed and give yourself time to integrate these experienCes into your everyday reality. You will soft through out and discard the erroneous conclusions.
 
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