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Are you "sober passing"?

I was passing, until I wasn’t. It really can only be so sustainable until it isn’t, yanno? Maybe there are circumstances of people being addicted to opiates their whole life because of the amount of money. Or any drug for that matter. But look how McAfee turned out from the late 90s to when he died and just how apparent it was that the drugs he was taking(loads of speed or meth & different RCs) and to right before he went to prison in another country. eventually someone is going to catch your bullshit, which blows, but life always finds it’s odd ways of keeping you in check, y’know?

I was passing for about 5 years then plummeted. At least with opiates because eventually tolerance will exceed the amount of money you have, in my opinion at least. I suppose it’s subjective if you’re a millionaire and just dabbling with different things but, i think a lot of people can relate to passing until you can’t perhaps.

cheers, good post OP
 
tokayeahok said:
I was passing, until I wasn’t. It really can only be so sustainable until it isn’t, yanno? Maybe there are circumstances of people being addicted to opiates their whole life because of the amount of money. Or any drug for that matter. But look how McAfee turned out from the late 90s to when he died and just how apparent it was that the drugs he was taking(loads of speed or meth & different RCs) and to right before he went to prison in another country. eventually someone is going to catch your bullshit, which blows, but life always finds it’s odd ways of keeping you in check, y’know?

I was passing for about 5 years then plummeted. At least with opiates because eventually tolerance will exceed the amount of money you have, in my opinion at least. I suppose it’s subjective if you’re a millionaire and just dabbling with different things but, i think a lot of people can relate to passing until you can’t perhaps.

cheers, good post OP
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Eva Rausling springs to mind. Worth billions, could get the best medical help on offer.... and ODed.
I get nothing but SOME pain relief from oxycodone but no 'high' or anything. Same with clobazam. Doesn't zone me, just means I don't have myoclonic jerks and fall off my crutches.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...ondon-home-with-body-of-his-wife-7935412.html​

 
Nobody is a functional junkie forever it eats every last one of use alive in the end don’t kid yourself.

I’m extremely successful in academia and my career after. I’m just in the phase where the drugs haven’t totally destroyed me and I’ve been in that space comfortably for 20 years…it’s a space where I don’t often abuse any drugs at all anymore. Everything is legal and prescribed…it still takes a toll over the years tho. But I know that a day will come where I open the flood gates once again and fentanyl at el will consume everything.


it’s gonna catch up with me one day. It already is. Once your kidneys don’t work anymore your addiction won’t be a secret to anyone.

Here’s a really good story on the topic. Silicon Valley high powered scientist turned IP lawyer. Made it to partner making 2M per year. His time came eventually. This is a great read on this topic

Anyway it’s paywalled. But he passed for a while then everyone knew he was on drugs but was making the firm so much money nobody cared. Was an IV coke user shooting 8K worth of coke per month

www.nytimes.com

The Lawyer, the Addict (Published 2017)

A high-powered Silicon Valley attorney dies. His ex-wife investigates, and finds a web of drug abuse in his profession.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com


I think a more important question whether someone is passing or successful or not is. "Is this shit worth it?" All the sickness the fucking misery the health and mental issues. What the fuck is there to be proud of? We are sick people coping with a reality we can’t handle in a destructive way. It’s like being disabled in someway yet still successful. It’s not fun. It’s not a flex. It’s a fucking nightmare.

My wife just got back from an international vacation without me. I haven’t been on vacation in like 3 years because I’m so sick from drugs and all the damage that I don’t enjoy normal things like vacation so I don’t even go. Not any thing to flex about

I would trade all my success and accomplishments and family and even a limb to not be a drug addict.
 
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Fentanyl can safely be given in cases of renal impairment/failure.

Just being pedantic. Yes, you can be prescribed opioids for decades and suddenly boom - the doctor thinks the pain just went away like magic.

I was prescribed oxycodone at the age of 48 so likely I won't live long enough for this issue to arise.

LucidSDreamr said:
it’s gonna catch up with me one day. It already is. Once your kidneys don’t work anymore your addiction won’t be a secret to anyone.
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FunctionalJnkieGrl said:
I guess us addicts and even people with high tendencies for addiction who avoid drugs are just wired differently as far as our brain chemistry is concerned.
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I agree with this 100% and it probably merits an entire thread.

I remember the first time my Mom (who never drank alcohol or coffee, never smoked, & rarely took even one aspirin) and I calmly and honestly discussed my alcohol and other drug addictions. At one point she, genuinely perplexed, asked
"Why would anyone want to feel different?"
I, equally baffled, responded
"How can anyone not want to feel different?"
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Nobody is a functional junkie forever it eats every last one of use alive in the end don’t kid yourself.

I’m extremely successful in academia and my career after. I’m just in the phase where the drugs haven’t totally destroyed me and I’ve been in that space comfortably for 20 years…it’s a space where I don’t often abuse any drugs at all anymore. Everything is legal and prescribed…it still takes a toll over the years tho. But I know that a day will come where I open the flood gates once again and fentanyl at el will consume everything.


it’s gonna catch up with me one day. It already is. Once your kidneys don’t work anymore your addiction won’t be a secret to anyone.

Here’s a really good story on the topic. Silicon Valley high powered scientist turned IP lawyer. Made it to partner making 2M per year. His time came eventually. This is a great read on this topic

Anyway it’s paywalled. But he passed for a while then everyone knew he was on drugs but was making the firm so much money nobody cared. Was an IV coke user shooting 8K worth of coke per month

www.nytimes.com

The Lawyer, the Addict (Published 2017)

A high-powered Silicon Valley attorney dies. His ex-wife investigates, and finds a web of drug abuse in his profession.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com


I think a more important question whether someone is passing or successful or not is. "Is this shit worth it?" All the sickness the fucking misery the health and mental issues. What the fuck is there to be proud of? We are sick people coping with a reality we can’t handle in a destructive way. It’s like being disabled in someway yet still successful. It’s not fun. It’s not a flex. It’s a fucking nightmare.

My wife just got back from an international vacation without me. I haven’t been on vacation in like 3 years because I’m so sick from drugs and all the damage that I don’t enjoy normal things like vacation so I don’t even go. Not any thing to flex about

I would trade all my success and accomplishments and family and even a limb to not be a drug addict.
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Hey. I've read your username for a while without thinking, but a couple nights ago I had my first lucid dream since I was a kid. Do you lucid dream? A lot? Did you work on it, or do you just do it?
 
AlsoTapered said:
Fentanyl can safely be given in cases of renal impairment/failure.

Just being pedantic. Yes, you can be prescribed opioids for decades and suddenly boom - the doctor thinks the pain just went away like magic.

I was prescribed oxycodone at the age of 48 so likely I won't live long enough for this issue to arise.
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I was more thinking of heroin users. It’s not the actual heroin but something in the tar conglomerate destroys kidneys. A lot of heroin users get get late in their careers. Probably due to some other toxin in the dirty mix that is sold as heroin on the black market.

Pharmaceutical opioids have their long term consequences although more rare. Narcotic bowel syndrome and intestinal ruptures are particularly nasty ones.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
Hey. I've read your username for a while without thinking, but a couple nights ago I had my first lucid dream since I was a kid. Do you lucid dream? A lot? Did you work on it, or do you just do it?
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Lucid dreaming was my first drug. It was what introduced me to altered states before ever doing drugs.

There is a great how to book by Steven laberge called "the art of lucid dreaming". I beleieve he’s a Stanford university psychologist.

There are lots of techniques to accomplish lucid dreams that book teaches them to you.

I used to have them pretty often. but it takes a lot of discipline to have them on purpose and I don’t have much effort left to devote to the practice like I used to…so I just have them once in a blue moon now
 
Why is it that virtually every culture in human history used a mind-altering drug? I think the natives of Northern Canada are the only ones who didn't have access to such a drug.

But be it nicotine/pituri, cocaine, caffeine, khat, cannabis, magic mushrooms, opium, alcohol, DMT.... EVERY culture found them and used them. It seems inherent within all of the higher species. Dolphins get high off puffer fish, elephants will drink alcohol (without induction) and raindeer eat mushrooms they KNOW will make them trip. If one individual discovers it, they all seem to learn.

Is it a flaw or part of the design?
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Pharmaceutical opioids have their long term consequences although more rare. Narcotic bowel syndrome and intestinal ruptures are particularly nasty ones.
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A Review on Renal Toxicity Profile of Common Abusive Drugs - PMC

Drug abuse has become a major social problem of the modern world and majority of these abusive drugs or their metabolites are excreted through the kidneys and, thus, the renal complications of these drugs are very common. Morphine, heroin, cocaine, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Does this help?
 
jasperkent said:
Neither a flaw nor a part of "design."
Simply put, it is what it is.

PS-- It's spelled reindeer (Norse in origin).
Fun fact: The caribou (French in origin) in North America is the same animal.
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I stand corrected.

But these are cultures on different continents... so the imperative seems to be built in.

Really interesting piece of information about your mum. She isn't part of the 'straight edge' culture, is she? Or just a very lucky lady. I'm stuck without my Oxycontin (I cannot walk) and clobazam (I fall off my crutches). It must be a minority of people who haven't been prescribed a drug with at least side-effects that are psychoactive (like antihistamines), have never had surgery or even a serious injury.... or depression.

I truly respect that lady. She didn't judge, she just asked.
 
AlsoTapered said:
Really interesting piece of information about your mum. She isn't part of the 'straight edge' culture, is she? Or just a very lucky lady. I'm stuck without my Oxycontin (I cannot walk) and clobazam (I fall off my crutches). It must be a minority of people who haven't been prescribed a drug with at least side-effects that are psychoactive (like antihistamines), have never had surgery or even a serious injury.... or depression.

I truly respect that lady. She didn't judge, she just asked.
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Mom would have no idea what "straight edge" means. She's 93. And believe me, she was extremely judgmental and hostile towards me for many years before we got to the point of being able to have a civil conversation.
 
jasperkent said:
Mom would have no idea what "straight edge" means. She's 93. And believe me, she was extremely judgmental and hostile towards me for many years before we got to the point of being able to have a civil conversation.
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Sorry to hear that. My mother discovered I smoked hashish when I was 20. I went to bed and left a 1/2 oz lump on top of the telephone (back when telephones were connected to walls). She was a hippie in the 1960s and said 'well, as long as you just stick to hash, it's OK, but don't use Ecstasy... it sounds like Mandrax and when I tried that in 1966, I liked it too much'.

She's mad, but on occasion she gives good advice.

On suicide - 'but if you kill yourself, you might miss out on lots of great things!'

If it's natural (e.g. opium) it tends to be much safer than synthetic or extracted actives (MDMA, morphine).

She was given pethidine but wasn't impressed.
 
AlsoTapered said:

A Review on Renal Toxicity Profile of Common Abusive Drugs - PMC

Drug abuse has become a major social problem of the modern world and majority of these abusive drugs or their metabolites are excreted through the kidneys and, thus, the renal complications of these drugs are very common. Morphine, heroin, cocaine, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Does this help?
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Help what? Back to kidneys tho there was this in the paper

"Clinical studies suggest that morphine addicts are at increased risk for progressive chronic renal failure [13,47,48]."

I don’t think this thread is limited to opioids though. They are definitely the easiest hard drug on the body I would say if you only use pharma and oral administration.
 
AlsoTapered said:
If it's natural (e.g. opium) it tends to be much safer than synthetic or extracted actives (MDMA, morphine).
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Why? I can’t think of any reason opium (which has to be smoked and contains millions of chemicals besides morphine) would be safer than taking 99.9# pure morphine orally

I don’t think something being natural vs synthetic has any bearing whatsoever on its safety. Cyanide is natural
 
I think this thread should be called, "Who believes they are sober-passing"

I think people in our society, especially today are so terrified to say shit to another person about who/what/how/where/why they are that people are more willing to accept "eccentricities" about certain people.

I know certain people make it real-long term with their addictions and experience relative success despite them. I don't think this is typically how it goes in practice.
 
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