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Are you more out of control on LSD or a high dose of MDMA? (LSD first time questions)

n0stalgiaEst.

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Im nervous to try LSD because i'll have to keep checking in with my parent via phone/text every few hours or so, and i know im able to do that (with practice) while drunk or high off things like MDMA, cannabis, codeine, K.

I use MDMA the most frequently, and have done so much i've gotten pretty hardcore hallucinations (so it's a good foundation to compare off i guess) but have still been able to talk coherently to my parent through the phone, just not text due to blurred vision.
My questions are, i guess,
-is it the same kind of out of control as a high dose of MDMA?
-will i be able to keep checking in with my parent?
-does the intensity of the high fade at all as time proceeds?


also some bonus questions haha,
-how many tabs is safe/good to do for the first time?
-whats the best way to make sure i don't have a bad trip?

*no lectures please, won't change the way i feel or what i do, i just need some advice >_<

thanks SO much xox
 
I was able to maintain myself on 4 hits and a 15mg of 2c-i this weekend while on the phone, but it all depends on you. I'm not sure anyone here can make that judgment for ya... personally, I don't find LSD too mentally debilitating, in fact I think it has one of the most mentally lucid highs of all the psychedelics.
 
i wouldnt want to check in with parents when tripping. id probably just start trailing off or talking in a weird way. i think textings usually fine though, unless im peaking and the line of text makes a crazy shape and i just type gibberish, but thats probably not a worry.

the amount of control you have compared to mdma is a totally different ballpark though. i would characterize control as totally opposite of mdma, or at the very least very close to out of control. but this is on a higher dose. on a low dose you'd probably be pretty in control. things can get very out of control though. for this reason raves or public are bad for first timers.

the intensity will fade as time goes on but it does last for a good long time before the intensity fades. 6-8 hours of a similar intensity i would say.

i would do 2 tabs for a first time to make sure i even feel anything. one tab is almost never strong enough and 2 is usually not too strong.

for avoiding bad trips: "turn off your mind, relax and float downstream"
try not to worry about bad trips, just go with the flow. if its unstoppable a xanax will stop a trip in its tracks. mdma will also help to avoid bad trips but it will turn the intensity up in addition to the mood lift.
 
I don't know what your situation is, but my girlfriend had a bad time on acid once because she had to periodically check in with her parents. Guess she started looping, for most of the night all she kept coming back to was the thought that she needed to check in. Her parents were psycho though, your situation may be different.

I wouldn't say being "out of control" on acid is the same with MDMA. Losing control on MDMA tends to happen at the peak of the peak, and usually doesn't last long at all. Losing control on acid is scarier and usually it's a little harder to pull yourself out of, depending on how good with psychedelics you are. I know the worst I've felt on acid was during and after encountering two girls who had just been raped or something. That was disturbing..but with good ol' MDMA, losing control ime entails only a few minutes of anxiety/dizziness.

Acid feels like warm waves to me, though at the peak it's pretty consistent ball-trippage. 1-2 tabs should be good for a first timer, depending on the strength maybe 3 or 4 if they're crappy. Just make sure you have a decent set/setting and you should be golden!
 
You can't guarantee anything close to being able to sound rational on acid. If it's weak you should be able to hold a short conversation on the phone OK but if it turns out to be a relatively pure dose you could go into loops, get fully involved hallucinations, even go "blank" & be totally unresponsive for an extended period of time while your mind is turned inward & basically disconnected from your senses.

How do you maximize the chances of a good trip? Set & setting. Meaning don't have the need to check in with your parents every couple hours hanging over you like a sword, cause that will fuck up your trip. If you're still bound determined to go for it, you need to be prepared for it to go sideways & leave you unable to make the call or unable to convince your parents you're not out of your gourd while you are.

"Control" & LSD just don't go together, that's the point of it. You surrender yourself to the trip. It's a ride that's not stopping until it decides to let you go. If you start fighting the drug for control, one way or another it's not going to be a fun time for you. I've been there & done that, dropped & then tried to take control back instead of giving in & letting the trip take me where it wants to go. About the best you can expect is to end up with a massive headache & a sucky ride & even that's with massive willpower & a fair amount of experience.

But hey, you could get lucky & all the acid brings you is giggle fits & lots of trailers. That was my first few trips, more or less. Anecdotally acid seems to need some priming to reach its full potential & swing the doors open wide, often on the 2nd or 3rd trip. But then I've seen it take others all the way down the rabbit hole on the first dose too. You just can't tell what kind of trip it's gonna be until you get there.
 
The only 'out of control' ness I've felt on MDMA is perhaps being a bit too open or lovey dovey.
 
Never been there myself but I've seen people so gorked on E they can't speak, focus their eyes or stand up let alone walk, where you can practically hear their brain sizzling away. So it can happen. But you gotta take a fuckload of it to get to that point.
 
Why do you have to check in with your parents every few hours? That sounds incredibly over-protective & untrusting of them.
 
why not write a text on your phone, save it and then send it every few hours. If its saved it'll save you writing a text and it would avoid you ringing the 'rents.

Just a suggestion, either way have fun :)
 
haha, i've had 10 min + conversation with my mom while on 6 hits of lucy about staying at a friends house that night.

wasn't really that hard to hold a conversation at all except I was trying to end the conversation fast which might of through off hints, but it was still all good!

if you're going to do this, i wouldnt think about the 'checking in' cause it could just send you into a loop.
I knew I had to talk to my mom some point in the night but didn't really think about it, and then all of a sudden she calls.
 
Sign up to a twitter account and keep your parents posted through that. Or kill your parents.
 
LOL hahahahaha yeah my mom's a very strict mormon soo.. im lucky she even lets me out past dark?
Thanks so much for all your answers, helped me out a ton, now im just excited >_<
what i mean by "out of control" on m is i guess, that point where you do such a heavy amount where you hallucinate and feel you're talking to 5 different people, in 5 different settings, under 5 minutes. I cant be the only one who has had that xD?
 
This depends on your relationship with your parents. It's really not predictable whether you will be able to handle it with no previous experience, not knowing your dose, and not knowing your relationship with your parents. I recommend, if possible, to be in a setting where you legitimately cannot get reception.

The word "hallucinogen" is so misleading. Hallucinations are not what you have to worry about talking on the phone or texting. If you have a high dose, you probably won't know what the fuck a phone is. You'll see it but the word "phone", if it even comes to your mind, will seem extremely odd and you won't understand the word and how it applies to this mysterious object in your pocket. On the other end of the spectrum, my phone background is a photo of a poster in my room and looking at it while a bit anxious on a trip has been grounding. You might see a text from your mother and not get what she has to do with you. Or you might freak the fuck out worrying about getting in trouble. Or feel an intense love knowing that your mother cares about you. Who knows.
 
I would imagine being on a high dose of LSD would be a hell of a lot harder than a high dose of mdma...
 
Your mom barely lets you out after dark??? Man, how old are you, 15 or something? Be careful, yanking your brain all over at your age while your mental skills are still developing can excessively overstimulate things and lead to problems later on... a little every now and then is probably OK but not like every week or anything, just try and be moderate.

Anyway, when checking in, just try to say as little as possible, answer questions but dont start going on about anything on your own... try and be cool quiet flat and collected like surface of a calm pool of water... visualize that when talking to them.

Cool thing about LSD as opposed to shrooms is that while it feels intense, you actually realize that you can exercise way MORE control over your body, mind and emotions than normal... almost superhuman effect its amazing... think it, will it, imagine it, and you can BE it instantly. So just will yourself to be calm and normal.
 
Just turn your phone off for a few hours just say your phone died. Surely mummy and daddy don't need to check every 5 mins?
 
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