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Are you created in God’s image?

"Why have you forsaken me?"

Him saying that, is that a lie?

I'm sure he suffered... I'm pretty sure at some point, even he lost faith. How would it be a sacrifice, if he didnt feel pain, and if he wasn't broken at some point?

Suffering can bring strength. We suffer, to learn.

You're right to say he suffered and may have started to lose faith and even doubted. Being fully human he would have gone through all the emotions we feel.

Jesus' experience in the garden of Gethsemane is a good illustration of his human nature/flesh battling with his divine nature/spirit. We can see his human nature had doubts.

Let me condense a few verses in Matthew 26:36-46 to show this:

Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane... He began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed... “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death.” ...
He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.” ...
"The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak." ...
Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done.”
NKJV

Luke 22:42-44
“Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him. And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. NKJV

It's evident that Jesus' human will did not want to bear the cross, and he even prayed to the Father not to go through it, but nevertheless he said chose "not my will be done but Your will be done." He was completely surrendered and submitted to God's will.

It translates to: "My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?"

Implying he was not God.

That verse can be explained by a long theological response, but I'll keep it short and simple. At that very point Jesus became sin on the cross. The divine nature was dissociated from Jesus, and God the Father could not associate with sin. Thus Jesus felt forsaken because the Father turned his face from him - that is he turned his face from sin.

Throughout all the Gospels you will see many people call Jesus "Lord" yet he never rebukes them.

The incredible power and glory of God was revealed when Jesus rose from death.

Matthew 28:17-18
When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."
NKJV

Mark 15:37-39
Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and breathed His last.
Then the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. So when the centurion, who stood opposite Him, saw that He cried out like this and breathed His last, he said, “Truly this Man was the Son of God!”
NJKV

To give you background on the significant of the veil in the temple being torn after Jesus died and the earth quaked; behind the veil in Jewish temple was God's earthly dwelling where no one was allowed to enter into except for the high priest once a year to make atonement for the sins of Israel. The veil symbolized the separation of God from his people because of sin. Above all, the tearing of the veil at Jesus' death showed that his atonement was a momentous event that unleashed God's presence to be open to all people, for all time, both Jew and non-Jew. We can now freely enter into God's presence and God's forgiveness because of Jesus and the tearing of the veil.

The Gospels, in their entirety, show that Jesus is God incarnate, I will leave you with this:

John 20:26-29
Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord.”
So he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
NJKV
 
I hate to be this guy but I feel I need to have this explained further to me as it directly addresses an earlier question of mine. Please note, I am not trying to be offensive or anything of the sort- I just want to be able to examine some of this dogma and see if I can understand it more. :)

Tromps said:
but I'll keep it short and simple. At that very point Jesus became sin on the cross.

How is this 'simple'? A living creature was somehow transmogrified into the embodiment of an arbitrary, subjective concept, that of sin...? That sort of statement is so devoid of substance that it becomes almost meaningless. Do you mean that jesus came to symbolise sin? If that's the case, if god can only work symbolically, surely that indicates that it has no real power in this world at all.

We can now freely enter into God's presence and God's forgiveness because of Jesus and the tearing of the veil.

Again, I question the divinity of something that works in such obscure ways. But furthermore, explain why it is we needed forgiveness. God 'made' us, yet he blames us for a flaw he must have created! And then to help us overcome this flaw, he creates such hard to follow, excessively obscure, symbolic melodrama that no-one yet is sure what was actually achieved here. Why did god have to kill his son to allow us into his prescence? Does he not have the power that all Christians claim? The fact that god seems to work with symbols seems to indicate that he is more human then divine; humans are the only other users of symbology on this entire planet, in this entire solar system for all we know, except for god...

The fact that Christians will tell me that I was born a sinner is unfair. That they will insist that I need saving is arrogant and presumptuous. But more then that, it just doesn't make sense to me, at least in the way I interpret it. I would love to hear some explanations for these problems as I see them.

But, of course, there is one simple possible reason for these logical discrepancies and that is that we are simply examining fictitious stories in a poorly edited fairytale compilation. I don't know what I believe, but I feel like I might believe that.

Each to their own is my belief, but I fear this belief is not shared by many Christians who have already condemned me to eternal fire. For that reason, I believe chritianity deserves to be confronted and questioned.

Peace <3
 
"At that very point Jesus became sin on the cross. The divine nature was dissociated from Jesus, and God the Father could not associate with sin."

In Job 2 ;3, God says that Satan moved him to destroy without cause. That is a clear association with sin.


There is no greater sinner than God. If you think otherwise then you would be wrong.

As to Jesus dying for anyone, this Bishop rebuke that view.



Regards
DL
 
Again, I question the divinity of something that works in such obscure ways.

Why? The divine is obscure to the undivine. That's no proof against it and seems like quite a random objection.
 
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I would be more inclined to listen to our friend if she was not promoting what has turned into an immoral religion.

You will note that she does not praise the beliefs and only give story lines. IMO of course.

Regards
DL

The difference between us is that I don't really CARE about religions and am more interested in mysticism or direct personal spiritual experiences.

To me, Christianity is just one of the many flawed religions in the world, that also has some truth on it or is also mixed with a valuable message. It's no different to other religions in that respect and I don't see how it's worthy of all this obsessing over it and all the faults with it, or even what the point of that could be, or what can be gained from it.

If you loathe Christianity so much, why not just turn away from it completely and focus on something you DO find meaning in? It surely has a stronger grip on you than most on this board or that I've ever met.
 
The difference between us is that I don't really CARE about religions and am more interested in mysticism or direct personal spiritual experiences.

To me, Christianity is just one of the many flawed religions in the world, that also has some truth on it or is also mixed with a valuable message. It's no different to other religions in that respect and I don't see how it's worthy of all this obsessing over it and all the faults with it, or even what the point of that could be, or what can be gained from it.

If you loathe Christianity so much, why not just turn away from it completely and focus on something you DO find meaning in? It surely has a stronger grip on you than most on this board or that I've ever met.

That is what being a Gnostic Bishop is all about. Touching the mind of God makes ones slightly more prone to want to teach the blind to see. It is routed in our natural deep need for vindication. It is the stuff fundamentalists are prone to.

You seem to contradict yourself. You say that you are more interested in mysticism or direct personal spiritual experiences, while at the time trying to shut down moral decision making which is what adds to direct personal spiritual experiences.

Perpetual seekers like Gnostic Christians need and invite the enemies of good clear thinking. Literalists being the most harmful to free thought.

For the evils of religion to grow, read any scriptureliterally.

Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by GnosticChristians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and asesoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has createdabout Gods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then yousee why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evilsof forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we werepoison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the freethinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite aride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.

How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinkingmoral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt otherbecause of the same Church's teachings today?

Can you ignore suchthings if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling thesame murderous, freedom stifling ****.

We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is acompulsion on all of us to judge.

It is my view that all right wing literalists andfundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as thosewho do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyoneelse, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions makeus all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods andretribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic.These are all evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg

They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.

African witches andJesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI

Jesus Camp 1of 3
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE

For evil to grow myfriend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. Itis your duty to our fellow man.

Regards
DL
 
How is this 'simple'? A living creature was somehow transmogrified into the embodiment of an arbitrary, subjective concept, that of sin...?

I'll admit it is a difficult concept to grasp and understand the supernatural with our limited, natural minds. What is difficult for us is simple for God. I can't explain it in human terms to you. The Holy Spirit is the teacher and convicts the believer of truth. In the Word it is mentioned many places that God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours; who can understand the way of the Lord?

We are talking about GOD here. A Spirit that transcends space and time. Who sees all that was, is, and yet to come. Who is infinite in knowledge and power. Don't expect to be able to figure everything out, no one will, and anyone who thinks they do have it all figured out is fooling themselves. We are a tiny spec, smaller than the smallest crumb you can see, in the grand scheme of time and the universe. I'm no guru, and I'm sorry that with my limited knowledge, wisdom, and vocabulary I can't elaborate on it anymore. It is something you will have to research on your own, hear from a pastor about this concept he will have a better understanding than I do, but ultimately it takes faith to believe.

Again, I question the divinity of something that works in such obscure ways. But furthermore, explain why it is we needed forgiveness.

Obscure ways to us perhaps. Have you ever done wrong in your life? Have you done things you knew were not right? That is why you need forgiveness. Not only that, have you ever wronged other people and asked for their forgiveness? Are there people you need to forgive who have wronged you? If you have never committed anything wrong in your life, done everything good, and have forgiven everyone who has ever wronged you, then you are a heavenly-bound saint. ;)

Heaven is pure and incorruptible; undefiled. To be in such a holy place with God there requires no sin. We are the righteousness of God in Christ. We are inherently good, but sin corrupts us and separates us from God. Life is about overcoming sin, realizing what sin is so we know how to make right choices, spreading the Gospel to others, and living in close communion with God so that we may be better prepared for eternity with him. That's my 2 cents. :)

In Job 2 ;3, God says that Satan moved him to destroy without cause. That is a clear association with sin.

That's not what it says.

Job 2:3
Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil? And still he holds fast to his integrity, although you incited Me against him, to destroy him without cause.” NJKV

Most versions of interpretation say that satan urged God, incited him, provoked him, etc. Then God allowed satan to cause evil on Job, not God causing evil on Job. There's a difference.

Job 2:6
And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your hand, but spare his life.” NKJV

We can have a debate about why God allows evil to happen to good people, but if you want to go there that would open up a whole new can of worms. Remember in the end though, God gave back Job double his wealth, gave him more children, a long life, and extreme honor by placing his name and story in his Word. All this tested the character of Job, taught him and his friends, and gave him a richer revelation.

James 1:2-4
My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. NKJV

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

One of my favorite verses is actually in Job when I start to doubt life and God's plan.

Job 38:4
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? NJKV

The words in Chapter 38 are so rich and deep. Love it. :D

Gnostic Bishop said:
As to Jesus dying for anyone, this Bishop rebuke that view.

I watched the video. The bishop didn't even once reference a verse in scripture. He claims John didn't teach that Jesus died for our sins without even having scripture to back it up. He looks at just the Gospel of John, and forgets John's other writings. He is preaching his opinion, not what it actually in the Bible. The most well known scripture verse implies it.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. NJKV

Furthermore, John wrote Revelation, and if you want it spelled out clear and plain as day here it is:

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood NKJV

Revelation 12:11
They [believers] triumphed over him [satan] by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. NJKV

Sorry, according to scripture the bishop is wrong. I do agree with him in that I also don't like the word religion.

Speaking of wrong.

Gnostic Bishop said:
There is no greater sinner than God. If you think otherwise then you would be wrong.

Well, since you have stated elsewhere you believe truth, morals, right and wrong are all subjective, I believe I am right, therefore it must be true. ;)
 
I believe you brushed over and didn't respond to the evidence that Jesus was ripped straight from ancient Jewish scripture, while using details to fill the gaps taken from surrounding area's mythology.. Tromps :p

"I'll admit it is a difficult concept to grasp and understand the supernatural with our limited, natural minds. What is difficult for us is simple for God. I can't explain it in human terms to you. The Holy Spirit is the teacher and convicts the believer of truth. In the Word it is mentioned many places that God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours; who can understand the way of the Lord? "

This is a cop out. If this were true God would not care for petty human affairs.. and he certainly wouldn't judge them.

How can it expect to people to love everyone else if it doesn't show love for us? Natural disaster, disease, famine, babies born with cancer.. To say these things are because of a human fault is like kicking a childs head in for being naughty.

"We are talking about GOD here. A Spirit that transcends space and time. Who sees all that was, is, and yet to come. Who is infinite in knowledge and power."

Negates free will. God created man and the tree knowing Adam and Eve would disobey it condemning everyone to ever live to be born with original sin.. It created man knowing who will do what to disobey it.. It created man knowing who will go to hell. It created man to condemn billions of them for it's own mistake.
 
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That is what being a Gnostic Bishop is all about.


Yes, but it would be enough to point this out 1, 2, or 3 times. Not agan and again and again indefinitely, people get it. There are other things to learn about than what is wrong with conventional Christianity and most wouldn't want to spend all their time on it.

Christianity only really interested me for the past couple of years after some personal experiences. Before that it didn't really appeal to me and I didn't really give it much thought. But you can still achieve much in spiritual development without worrying so much about what it's supposed or not supposed to be.

You sound like someone who has been force-fed the Christian doctine and is rebelling against it, constantly trying to re-define it. But this is more of a personal issue that's not really that interesting to everyone else. Why don't you spend some more time giving us an insight into the exclusive brand of Christianity you find to be correct instead?
 
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Tromps

"Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop There is no greater sinner than God. If you think otherwise then you would be wrong.

You replied.
Well, since you have stated elsewhere you believe truth, morals, right and wrong are all subjective, I believe I am right, therefore it must be true."

Whose name would you put above God's then for evil.

Who can do more evil than God, the creator of evil.

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"Then God allowed satan to cause evil on Job, not God causing evil on Job. There's a difference. "

So if you allow someone to rape your wife, you do not feel any guilt for it. Wow. Nice morals. Not.

We have laws in my country against someone just watching a crime or sin while doing nothing yet you seem to think that that is ok.

The fact that you seem to think a new child can just replace the one murdered by your God, shows how deeply your thinking has been corrupted. Repent sinner.

Regards
DL
 
Yes, but it would be enough to point this out 1, 2, or 3 times. Not agan and again and again indefinitely, people get it. There are other things to learn about than what is wrong with conventional Christianity and most wouldn't want to spend all their time on it.

Christianity only really interested me for the past couple of years after some personal experiences. Before that it didn't really appeal to me and I didn't really give it much thought. But you can still achieve much in spiritual development without worrying so much about what it's supposed or not supposed to be.

You sound like someone who has been force-fed the Christian doctine and is rebelling against it, constantly trying to re-define it. But this is more of a personal issue that's not really that interesting to everyone else. Why don't you spend some more time giving us an insight into the exclusive brand of Christianity you find to be correct instead?

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-Gnostic-Christianity?p=12645973#post12645973

Visit me here please and you will save what you asked for.

Regards
DL
 
I'll admit it is a difficult concept to grasp and understand the supernatural with our limited, natural minds. What is difficult for us is simple for God. I can't explain it in human terms to you. The Holy Spirit is the teacher and convicts the believer of truth. In the Word it is mentioned many places that God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours; who can understand the way of the Lord?

I dismiss the bible as the words of men, and I love reading good writing ;) Drawing proofs from it don't mean a lot to me...

We are talking about GOD here. A Spirit that transcends space and time. Who sees all that was, is, and yet to come.

In our universe, it has been pretty well determined that time runs forward, as seen in the laws of thermodynamics and the concept of entropy. A deity who can know the future cannot exist in our universe, physically structured in the way it is.

Tromps said:
Who is infinite in knowledge and power. Don't expect to be able to figure everything out, no one will, and anyone who thinks they do have it all figured out is fooling themselves. We are a tiny spec, smaller than the smallest crumb you can see, in the grand scheme of time and the universe. I'm no guru, and I'm sorry that with my limited knowledge, wisdom, and vocabulary I can't elaborate on it anymore. It is something you will have to research on your own, hear from a pastor about this concept he will have a better understanding than I do, but ultimately it takes faith to believe.

The tautology there is too striking for me to let lie. To believe requires belief. How does that mean anything at all? For water to be water, it must be water. Hmm.

Obscure ways to us perhaps. Have you ever done wrong in your life? Have you done things you knew were not right? That is why you need forgiveness. Not only that, have you ever wronged other people and asked for their forgiveness? Are there people you need to forgive who have wronged you? If you have never committed anything wrong in your life, done everything good, and have forgiven everyone who has ever wronged you, then you are a heavenly-bound saint. ;)

Of course I've done wrong, but I require no forgiveness from the head of my country when I do wrong against my neighbour; I require forgiveness from my neighbour. What a system- I steal your car and apologise to the CEO of Ford for doing so.

Tromps said:
Heaven is pure and incorruptible; undefiled. To be in such a holy place with God there requires no sin. We are the righteousness of God in Christ. We are inherently good, but sin corrupts us and separates us from God. Life is about overcoming sin, realizing what sin is so we know how to make right choices, spreading the Gospel to others, and living in close communion with God so that we may be better prepared for eternity with him. That's my 2 cents. :)

Fair enough. I support your describing this as 2 cents, because I sure do feel short-changed here :D I understand that its a difficult thing to explain. I find quantum physics difficult to explain because I don't understand it even slightly and it sounds like nonsense when I try. On that note, that doesn't mean that quantum physics is not real. I just want to know how a human became the embodiment of a concept whilst dying and why this even matters, because this idea has been shaping the world for 2000 years and seems vitally important. Sadly, not many Christians seem to be able to explain this, nor do they seem to even understand it themselves. And thus we have the raising of irrationality and ignorance (called faith) to the highest place. You cannot kill sin, anymore then you can kill love, mathematics or shoes.

God created us- we sin- god created the capacity in humans to sin, the inherent capacity- did he make a mistake? No? Are you saying he won't let humans into heaven? Whats the point of all this?

Tromps said:
Well, since you have stated elsewhere you believe truth, morals, right and wrong are all subjective, I believe I am right, therefore it must be true. ;)

At last, we see eye to eye! :) Anything is right if you want it to be. <3 Enjoy this knowledge, and love the world! <3
 
This is a cop out.

Saying that God cannot be fully understood isn't a cop out.

Here's a famous quote by Ian Stewart, co-founder of the Rolling Stones, that also could be applied to God:

“If our brains were simple enough for us to understand them, we'd be so simple that we couldn't.”

Now, if God was simple enough to be understood, God would be so simple that it wouldn't be God.

I'm also replying to willow, or anyone, when I say this:

Have you ever watched a really good mystery show? If it's a good one you won't know the mystery or have it figured out until the end. God is such a marvelous mystery that we won't see God's ways until the show (life) is over.

In our universe, it has been pretty well determined that time runs forward, as seen in the laws of thermodynamics and the concept of entropy. A deity who can know the future cannot exist in our universe, physically structured in the way it is.

From what I understand, God the Father resides outside of our universe. A good example is that on this physical earth during time, God the Son (Jesus), didn't (couldn't) know the future or time when the end of the age (judgement day) would come, because he had those limitations. Though, the Holy Spirit, our intercessor, resides within us and is our connection with God.

The tautology there is too striking for me to let lie. To believe requires belief. How does that mean anything at all? For water to be water, it must be water. Hmm.

Faith and belief are different. Alan Watts, a 20th century philosopher, said some things such as this:

"Faith is a state of openness or trust. To have faith is to trust yourself to the water. When you swim you don't grab hold of the water, because if you do you will sink and drown. Instead you relax, and float. The attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging to belief, of holding on. In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all. Instead they are holding tight. But the attitude of faith is to let go, whatever it might turn out to be."

I let go of trying to figure everything out about God. I trust he will lead me in the right direction, so far so good. :D

Of course I've done wrong, but I require no forgiveness from the head of my country when I do wrong against my neighbour; I require forgiveness from my neighbour. What a system- I steal your car and apologise to the CEO of Ford for doing so.

God created your neighbor as is a precious creation of His, by wronging your neighbor you have also wronged God. When you wrong yourself, or others, you have wronged God. Trying to apply worldly principles to God's law doesn't work.

On a side note, related to other posts in this thread, we are not created with mistakes or flaws. If anyone claims God created us with a flaw, or God made a mistake, please back it up with scripture.

Psalm 139:14
I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows full well.

Rick, if you or anyone thinks free will is a flaw, or a mistake, it is not. It is a gift. You have been given great power to choose and make decisions, to think for yourself. "With great power comes great responsibility." If God created you without a free will, you would be a mindless robot with no free thought and only be programmed to God's will. I don't think God wants a bunch of slave robots, instead, children that can have a real relationship with him. :) <3
 
I didn't say it's a flaw.. I said it's an impossibility if there is such thing as an omnipotent god.

By definition, an omnipotent god knows what decisions we will make, why we make them and when we will make them, therefore negating freewill.

OMNISCIENT!!! NOT OMNIPOTENT!!
 
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Too simplistic a view of it. It all depends on many things, like the dimension you reside in. 3rd dimension is the dimension of free will and the opportunity to act against the will of God. That's the point of it. Or making your own choices and learning to live with the consequences of it.

It's an accelerated form of learning, as you can make mistakes that hurt and motivate you to make changes. So it's possible to elolve much faster than in the higher dimensions, or from 5th and up, where all is governed by divine will and there's no desire for anything else. Theres also little incentive to change anything living in a heavenly state. That's why souls come to Earth.

So ultimately YOU, or we, have more power than God in this dimension (for a change). It's WE who are close to omnipotent (as a collective). But only because God has designed it that way or set certain limits for himself as to how much he can interefere. It's often said at least 51% of humanity, or 51% of yourself, has to will something in order for God to interfere that way. Though most of this "willing" is sub-conscious so it's not easy to keep track of things or get a clear view of what is going on or why.
 
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Assuming this.. far out.. belief is real..

God is not omnipotent, then?

I meant omniscient, not omnipotent.
 
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Assuming this.. far out.. belief is real..

God is not omnipotent, then?

Only as an experiment in this "make-believe" dimension we desired for our experience/developement. And even here he still has considerable influence and there can be exceptional circumstances where he will interfere more.

Because while life here is not taken very seriously or seen as "real" (just temporary illusions) from the higher dimensions, they know it feels very real and can be very hard for us who are here, and take our life seriously up to a point. They just tend to be more focused on what can be gained from it than the experience itself (or whether it's pleasurable or not). Some might spend a whole lifetime in prison to become a great philosopher, for instance, and will feel it's been worth it.

The point is it's all for a good purpose, or there ARE things to be gained from it, or it wouldn't be carried out in the first place. God doesn't carry out experiements unless they're constructive and fruitful in some way. That would go completely against his nature. However, WE are free to experiement just as we like. And it doesn't have to be constructive, meaningful, or positive in any way (if we choose).
 
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So is it or isn't it? Does it know all that was, is and ever will be (omnipotent) or does it not know what decisions we will make? (not omnipotent)

If it does know what decisions we will make, we do not have freewill.. if it doesn't and we do have freewill, it is not omnipotent.

I meant omniscient, not omnipotent.
 
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This is too complex to be broken down that simply. The closest answear would probably be "Yes and No, both at the same time". It's all so relative (to any variable).

But you could maybe say part of God has chosen not to be omnipotent and to limit his power in certain spheres. Still there are many parts and conceptions of God, and there is probably a part of God (the highest) that knows and controls everything. On the other hand, this part may not always be in touch with the lower part, like our higher self isn't always in touch with, or in control of, our lower self.

God is an evolving being, too, he just evolves at an uncomprehensible rate compared to us, and it might also be a part of what helps him evolve. We are also claimed to be created in his image. So in the same way we are also split into many parts, which operate at different levels, and there is one that is all-powerful and controls all (even if it might not seem like it or it literally actually doesn't).
 
OK i'll humor you ( sitting around attacking a religion you dont believe in is telling btw)
Lets say for arguments sake everything you said is true( which I dont agree with) BUT that God is still real.
where does that leave you if what he says a about his plan is true?
Up shitz creek that's where.....
Getting mad at your mommy doesn't mean the child is not getting a whipping for his own good
 
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