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This is hard to explain but I'll do my best.

I got these ideas mostly from my early experiments smoking DMT and salvia.

The effects of salvia and DMT are quite different except in one respect. During strong breakthroughs with both substances the experiences are equally difficult to explain.

Both are also short acting. This is convenient for experiments. And after doing one after the other I noticed this "mind space" that I will explain as a feeling of familiarity. Almost like I was in the same "space" like a theater where weird shit was shown to me.

I think that during strong breakthrough experiences such as the k-hole, ego death, real hallucination, etc you are in the same state of mind or "mind space"

This may be the same place people go during NDEs, which implies that confusion and mental overload is the catalyst that brings these strange unexplainable mind states.

Therefore if one does a lot of different drugs like I did, it may be a realistic consequence that these states do not come easily or at all? That is exactly what happened to me... I can take drugs but I can no longer achieve these wonderful states of mind...

So where do I go from here? How do I get this feeling back? Maybe there is no answer...
 
FlameMan said:
So where do I go from here? How do I get this feeling back? Maybe there is no answer...
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on a philosophical level:
it is like a river, you can never stand next to the same river twice. you can stand in the same place but the water has flowed on.
that is not to say that standing in the same place in the river is not interesting, just perhaps do not expect it always to be the same.
So it is perhaps futile to try and revisit the same mind state, you will always be disappointed, but if you revisit and accept that it will not be exactly the same then there is the value.

this thread might belong in the more philosophical areas of the forum..
 
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You mean with all the crazy hippies? ;)
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perhaps...
cos ADD doesn't tend to use words like synchronicity, and mindspace, we like Ki and affinity and ligand.
 
Yeah, you're basically arguing against people who are hardcore into neurophysiology and neuropharmacology...you're saying that although different neurophysiological underpinnings surely occur with different drugs, they are functionally identical in their outcomes.

Its an argument for the reduction of the usefulness of neurophysiology. You're arguing for a higher level, maybe psychology or (gasp) a spiritual level.

I agree with you to a certain extent, they are catalysts to some of the same places. But, not identical places.

Perhaps you are abusing them if you feel like they are giving you so many negatves? The wonderful thing about psychedelics is that, if used properly, they give only positive effects to the user and no negatives (unlike other traditional drugs such as opiates, stimulants, etc).
 
one might find that proper regulation and use (not abuse) of drugs can always be beneficial or at the minimum, the negatives are certainly no worse than the negatives of the tails of a psychedelic experience.

I mean, uh, perhaps alkylatying your experiences will increase the DA transporter affinity and result in increased differentiation of the subjective effects.

Carry on hippies
 
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