Are there some people who just happen to be lucky with stimulants?

[JackiesBabyy]

Summary at the bottom if it's too long for ya.

I've been doing stimulants (2-FMA, 4-FA, adderall, d-amphetamine often, butylone and propylhexedrine on occasion, high dose ephedrine too if that counts) for about 9 months now both orally and intranasally, plugged adderall a few times too. I see people complain of bad side effects like anxiety, shakyness, feeling like an antisocial robot, heart racing, and other side effects I can't think of right now who take much lower doses than I do, and I just don't get it.

I only get anxiety and tweaky shakyness/nervous pressured speech if I take an unreasonably high(for my tolerance) dose, I only get the "antisocial robot" effect people speak of if I've been awake on them for almost two days, and I've only experienced unfounded paranoia three times after being on day 4 of a sleepless, foodless binge. I have a prescription for adderall/vyvanse and I rarely take more than prescribed (20mg IR and 70mg respectively), if I don't take that for the day I become an antisocial and apathetic mess.

But even when I take only the prescribed dose for the day for a week or two, it never makes me feel robotic, it always increases my desire to socialize and really helps my social anxiety(which is pretty extreme when I don't take stimulants).

I have both severe ADHD and a mild form of borderline personality disorder, so I do have problems with anxiety (both social and abandonment anxiety) and no matter what stimulants always tend to lessen it or take it away. Low doses make it easier to deal with, higher doses completely destroy it. It's literally as good as benzos as an anxiolytic for me. I of course also get the classic good effects like a mood lift at low doses, euphoria at higher ones, along with increased self confidence, much better focus and all that.

I also never get bad comedowns from one dose. Ever. Even if I take a large dose of adderall, the "comedown" I get is just the high wearing off slowly and feeling baseline again, which sucks after being high, but it's certainly nowhere near as bad as people make stimulant comedowns to be and I can sleep relatively easily with the help of a benadryl.

Only times I've gotten what I'd consider a horrible comedown/hangover is after binging on it for days and taking nothing the next day, which results in depression, apathy, and what I call boredom on steroids. I can still function though if need be, it sucks but I can push through. (Thankfully with my prescription this isn't an issue anymore)

So, does this all sound typical or am I just a person who just so happens to react very well to stimulants? I ask because my experience doesn't seem typical to what others experience. I know I haven't done hardcore shit like smoking meth, but I see people who take small medical doses of adderall daily and get side effects far worse than I do. I also apologize for the rambly post, I at least took the liberty of splitting it in to paragraphs at least unlike many people But here's a short summary anyway.

SUMMARY: I take lots of stimulants and basically never get the negative effects others tend to and I don't really get bad comedowns. Am I weird?

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Short answer: No. Everybody's body is different. It sounds to me like you probably need stimulants (for your ADD/ADHD) and that's why you have very few negative reactions to them. For some people, stimulants have anti-anxiety effects because stimulants make people more confident and assertive. For other people with anxiety stimulants are bad news....good luck trying to get a doctor to prescribe you Dexedrine for panic disorder, though!

Be glad you can handle amphetamine comedowns with little-to-no issues. Some of us are not so lucky. I can't take any stimulant without a benzo either on hand or in my system any more (anxiety).

 

[JackiesBabyy]

Short answer: No. Everybody's body is different. It sounds to me like you probably need stimulants (for your ADD/ADHD) and that's why you have very few negative reactions to them. For some people, stimulants have anti-anxiety effects because stimulants make people more confident and assertive. For other people with anxiety stimulants are bad news....good luck trying to get a doctor to prescribe you Dexedrine for panic disorder, though!

Be glad you can handle amphetamine comedowns with little-to-no issues. Some of us are not so lucky. I can't take any stimulant without a benzo either on hand or in my system any more (anxiety).

When you get anxiety from stims, what type of anxiety is it? Is it like unfounded paranoia a la psychosis? (people are talking about you or plotting against you) Or just anxiety that you've taken too much? Or getting large amounts of anxiety over something that'd cause a little normally? Or what?

 

[Crashing]

I would say you are very lucky. I had a good friend who was very similar, he never even got negative effects from MPDV and if I tried to keep up with him I would be having a panic attack. I think a lot of it is mental but are you in good physical shape by any chance? People who regularly exercise often experience much less side effects than people who dont have a workout regimen.

 

[JackiesBabyy]

I would say you are very lucky. I had a good friend who was very similar, he never even got negative effects from MPDV and if I tried to keep up with him I would be having a panic attack. I think a lot of it is mental but are you in good physical shape by any chance? People who regularly exercise often experience much less side effects than people who dont have a workout regimen.

I'm rather skinny. Not tweaker skeletor face skinny, but my BMI is "low average" (below average but not yet underweight). I do a lot of light exercise like walking a few miles most days but that's it.

Haha, I guess your friend and I are just the chosen ones, to us stimulants are like filling a missing puzzle piece in with the correct piece. To most they're either trying to add another piece to a completed puzzle or filling a missing piece with an incorrect piece.

 

[XThexXTank]

Yup everyones differnent im like you op, i never understood how people get this horrible anxiety on stims. Ill get a little anxious if i take a huge dose but i can blow it off because i know its the drug. Now i have add so i dont know if that plays a role in how stims affect my brain. My only problem with stims is that ill get high and then ill be so fucking bored. Nothing that i do kills the boredom. Ill start something, then be like, aite enough of that and then move on to something else and never 'satisfy' myself.

Same thing with mdma especially. People talk about horrible depression like comedowns. Never have i got anything close to being depressed on mdma. Actually the next day i will be more happy after the day i rolled (idk why). I mean ive abused mdma like that shit was free and besides some depersonalization ive never had any other negative affects.

 

[Crashing]

I'm rather skinny. Not tweaker skeletor face skinny, but my BMI is "low average" (below average but not yet underweight). I do a lot of light exercise like walking a few miles most days but that's it.

Haha, I guess your friend and I are just the chosen ones, to us stimulants are like filling a missing puzzle piece in with the correct piece. To most they're either trying to add another piece to a completed puzzle or filling a missing piece with an incorrect piece.

Many people experience paradoxical effects with stimulants and opiates. That is usually on stimulants i get more relaxed, and on opiates i would feel energized. I think this is attributed to the fact that for me personally, when my body is at peace, i feel more comfortable with exerting it. When I take a stimulant, my body feels restless and therefore I try to counteract it by trying to remain as calm as possible. It probably all relates to anxiety, because many times I really thought I was in trouble but it turns out i was absolutely fine. It is strange. I think people less prone to anxiety can get more use out of stims.

 

[JackiesBabyy]

Many people experience paradoxical effects with stimulants and opiates. That is usually on stimulants i get more relaxed, and on opiates i would feel energized. I think this is attributed to the fact that for me personally, when my body is at peace, i feel more comfortable with exerting it. When I take a stimulant, my body feels restless and therefore I try to counteract it by trying to remain as calm as possible. It probably all relates to anxiety, because many times I really thought I was in trouble but it turns out i was absolutely fine. It is strange. I think people less prone to anxiety can get more use out of stims.

Some opiates are generally stimulating at first normally. Oxycodone gives a similar high to amphetamines (only less stimulating, same talkativeness, motivation, and optimism feeling though) for the first two hours, then I get the classic noddy opiate effects. Codeine on the other hand is sedating from the get-go.

 

[phatass]

from what you described it seems to "even out" your brain chemistry, if i were you i would still be carefull if you're taking above your Rx dosage of stims especially long term, in case of side-effects that you're not necesssarilly aware of in the short term

 

[whippa craka]

Love amphetamines.

Life is complete with them... and just plain life without them. Talk about making more out of every day. Love it.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

When you get anxiety from stims, what type of anxiety is it? Is it like unfounded paranoia a la psychosis? (people are talking about you or plotting against you) Or just anxiety that you've taken too much? Or getting large amounts of anxiety over something that'd cause a little normally? Or what?

Anxiety about having anxiety. It's hard to explain. Pretty much feeling like I'm having a panic attack. Not paranoid.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

What people have said: those of us who use stimulants for medical reasons tend to have less incidence of side effects.

 

[laCster]

Short answer: No. Everybody's body is different. It sounds to me like you probably need stimulants (for your ADD/ADHD) and that's why you have very few negative reactions to them. For some people, stimulants have anti-anxiety effects because stimulants make people more confident and assertive. For other people with anxiety stimulants are bad news....good luck trying to get a doctor to prescribe you Dexedrine for panic disorder, though!

Be glad you can handle amphetamine comedowns with little-to-no issues. Some of us are not so lucky. I can't take any stimulant without a benzo either on hand or in my system any more (anxiety).

agreed, and i am the exact way, i can't take stims without benzos, or in other words, i need benzos when i take stims. i get very anxious at 20-30mgs. i usually only need 10-15mg dexedrine/adderall to catch a high/

 

[manicmama]

Everyone's different, I've never had a comedown off stim's after a binge, I'd been using base daily for a good 6 months, had enough but was scared to stop fearing some god awful suicidal depression, I finally stopped 3 weeks ago & no depression, no tiredness, no excessive eating, no moody's. Nothing I was expecting. I am on lithium, so think that may have cancelled out a lot of the effects, though my past usage with no comedown after a binge, has had me wondering if my being bipolar 1 affects the way my brain deals with shit like that. Or perhaps I am just 'lucky' lol. Who knows for sure? Just glad I ain't never felt the way my mates have following binges! Then again, I'd of probably never touched drugs if I had, so maybe not so 'lucky'!

 

[JackiesBabyy]

Love amphetamines.

Life is complete with them... and just plain life without them. Talk about making more out of every day. Love it.

Yes sir, that's why I stick to oral use, keep true recreational use occasional, and take occasional tolerance breaks. Stimulants complete me and I hope they continue to do so for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong loooooooooooooooong time.

 

[DOB]

I am one of luckiest people on Bluelight when it comes to amphetamines.... I tried meth and didnt get addicted thanks to friend who refused to give me more,that person saved my life

 

[phactor]

Yes, people handle different drugs in many different ways, people also have to tend to have very different tolerances. When I first started drinking, I would get drunk very quickly. Yet, when my friends and I would score painkillers for instance, I would always need to take a higher dose and would have far less negative effects. That led to issues, but that is beyond the point.

I do have ADD and there are times that I have thought about trying to go back on amphetamines for it, but they messed up my appetite so badly as a kid.

 

[JackiesBabyy]

I am one of luckiest people on Bluelight when it comes to amphetamines.... I tried meth and didnt get addicted thanks to friend who refused to give me more,that person saved my life

Haha, if you really wanted it you could have gotten more. Meth is everywhere and assuming you have a normal social life, you could have easily found more without too much effort.

 

[duckeee]

Yeah, I can only agree with previous comments that yes, you are lucky but you definitely aren't weird. For example, I am your true opposite - on my first night I tried speed with bunch of my friends I got massive depression the morning after and since all were pretty much doing drugs for the first time, NO ONE understood what am I talking about. They had finally all their own worsening comedowns but for some it happened years after regular drug use. I think it's just my brain chemistry... And I still love stims! And I kinda have learned to love how hard they hit me because this is what helps me not to go overboard and finally quit.

 

[JackiesBabyy]

Yeah, I can only agree with previous comments that yes, you are lucky but you definitely aren't weird. For example, I am your true opposite - on my first night I tried speed with bunch of my friends I got massive depression the morning after and since all were pretty much doing drugs for the first time, NO ONE understood what am I talking about. They had finally all their own worsening comedowns but for some it happened years after regular drug use. I think it's just my brain chemistry... And I still love stims! And I kinda have learned to love how hard they hit me because this is what helps me not to go overboard and finally quit.

My first stimulant experience was a 5-day binge on 5-7 grams (GRAMS) of 4-fa, and I experienced a 2-3 day depression comedown worse than even a major depressive episode, by FAR. (although MDD episodes last much longer)