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Are there any empathogens that are safe to take often?

for me hawaiian baby woodrose seeds are the most empathogen like of all psychedelics, including 2cb, 2cc, moxy... well, those I've tried perhaps there's others. But honestly the vasoconstriction in brings cannot be good for the body... sad.
 
I don't think there is any enactogen you can take regularly without greatly decreased effects. (seems to be the first effect to decrease IME/O) Bk-Mdma/methylone was my favorite and felt like you could dose maybe once a week instead of once a month. (or maybe I just had so much doubling my dose didn't matter much except toxicity/od wise)
 
Many people have reported that 5-meo-mipt causes more tolerance than about any other tryptamine, even long-term tolerance/permatolerance.
 
So what about 3-FEA, its not a interesting compound.
But its not overly Serotenergic, but quite selective.
Though has like all SRi s and/ or SR s a weird feel.

Wouldn t dare taking it regularly, no need to take it at all.
But theoretically, a pretty mild and dirty sort of Emphatogen ?
 
^Sounds like you may be onto something. I guess the question than becomes would it be preferable to "micro dose" mdma or straight dose 3-FEA on a daily basis. I forgot about microdosing cuz I dont.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
^Sounds like you may be onto something. I guess the question than becomes would it be preferable to "micro dose" mdma or straight dose 3-FEA on a daily basis. I forgot about microdosing cuz I dont.
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Micro dosing MDMA and the 1/ 3 month rule 1 dose and 1 re-dose.
Not the same, btw micro dosing Emphatogen s never heard of it.
But seems a bit dangerous to me. Even a pure Serotonin releaser.

So what is the aim ? Dosing on daily basis seems to me, very dangerous.
And what is the gain, microdosing these substances ?
 
I never understood microdosing or really looked to so you have me at a disadvantage here -- what is the 1/3 month rule (One good roll per 3 months with one redose by context?) --- I THOUGHT the idea with microdosing mdma/shrooms is that you don't do enough to make them not work for a month or so? Lots of ppl around here microdose mdma (Or claim to im not there or anything).

Not sure what the person is aiming for here, a more open mind/perspective I would think -- at which point I gotta wonder if 3-FEA would be better or worse at that than microdosing. (Anyone else have experience microdosing mdma?)
 
^Good to know. I suspected it may all be some kind of nonsense and I shouldn't go off one anectdotal case --- but that is exactly how I figured it would work.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
I never understood microdosing or really looked to so you have me at a disadvantage here -- what is the 1/3 month rule (One good roll per 3 months with one redose by context?)
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Correct one dose of a MDMA like substance, and one redose.

Micro-dosing with Lysergic s/ Tryptamine s i get. Never did it.
But with MDMA never heard of it, what is the aim. Sound s dangerous.

Mostly depending on dose and interval of taking. But then still.
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Not sure what the person is aiming for here, a more open mind/perspective I would think -- at which point I gotta wonder if 3-FEA would be better or worse at that than microdosing. (Anyone else have experience microdosing mdma?)
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3-FEA i mentioned for its mild and what felt as selective Serotinergic action.
Don t advise it, ime felt a bit 'toxic' hot/ sweaty, and have something against 3-F..,
that work on Serotonin. Read the Fenfluramine comparison to that substitution.

And it don t feel like bk-MDMA or MDMA. Also not like MDAI more dirty.
Maybe it was my ROA nasal that worsened it.
 
SotPoker1012 said:
As we all know, taking MDMA too often will at best cause nasty hangovers and stop working, at worst it will fuck your head up for months if taken too much.
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Not for me mate. I abused MDMA for years, and I've suffered nothing worse than a booze hangover. Yes, it quickly stops working, but my head is no more fucked up than it ever was... 😃
 
4DQSAR said:
Amazing that the discoverers got a Nobel Prize part of which was supposed to be that they were not abusable.
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????

Wow I didnt know that. What was the rationale for the “breakthrough” re pregabalin?

It’s just GABA with a isobutyl group pinned on. Hardly any marvel of someone exploring SAR starting from GABA. Someone would arrive at pregabalin on like the first few hundred compounds of making new GABA derivatives just by randomly adding cookie cutter groups (ie isobutyl) onto GABA. What I’m saying is that monkeys throwing darts at a list of commmon substituents would’ve come up with pregabalin in a couple weeks,

Was there something special about the pharmacology they discovered because of the fact that they made lregabalin and tested it?

I’m shocked pregabalin warranted a Nobel prize…..why?

It’s waaaaay more abusable and recreational than its family members like gabapentin and baclofen.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Not for me mate. I abused MDMA for years, and I've suffered nothing worse than a booze hangover. Yes, it quickly stops working, but my head is no more fucked up than it ever was... 😃
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I wish I had that ability. I took it two days in a row a while back and while I recovered mentally in a day or two, I had a weird stutter that lasted about two weeks and felt physically fatigued for longer.

However I'm a major kratom user and it has serotonergic effects, so I think that made it worse.

When it stopped working for you, did a tolerance break bring it back? I've heard some people lose the "roll"y feeling after frequent use forever.
 
Yea pregabalin Nobel prize -- that is umm odd. Lyrica is made by ?? who made ?? for prescribing it to damn near everybody that needed an opi instead.

I have questions
 
I've found that 2c-b scratches the itch enough that I haven't been craving mdma so badly. It's definitely more of a psychedelic than an empathogen but it does have a little bit of that magic "trippy simulant" feel that I like from mdma. It also makes music sound almost as good as MDMA, so I'm quite pleased with it.

The only downside is that it doesn't make me less self conscious like MDMA does unless I really work to get my mindset right. Pretty much the only drugs I've found that completely turn it off are MDMA and opioids with a low tolerance. I have a really hard time making music and art without the aid of strongly euphoric drugs as I cannot get over my "everything you do is cringey" bs.
 
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