Are the sourcing rules on here a bit "overkill"?

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Some sourcing rules are balls imo. For instance asking where to get genuine apb should be accecpted, because buying from certain vendors can land you with naphyrone or something unexpected, and as we know only certain sites sell the real deal. Is it not harm reduction to let people know where to buy legitamite drugs so they can actually know what they are putting into their body? If someone dies after ordering from a dodgy site from dosage problems or whatever, and they asked for a reputable source but shunned by BLs sourcing rules, I would put their death down to this rule.

I got an infraction for asking if I could buy legal khat in a grocery store, basically the same as asking if I could buy the drug nutmeg from asda/walmart,

That's just my opinion anyway
 
Bojangles69 it is to protect the site it self. Numerous drug enforcement agencies would love to see this site torn to shreads. Any thing closely related to sourcing legal or not, would be used as ammo for them. BL does not condone the use of drugs only here to support and make a world a safer place. some countries have legal highs scheduled while others dont (america isnt the only country in the world mate), this opens too many doors and eventually the rules then get laxed to much, and arguements like yours come up over and over again.

again the site is abotu harm reduction, not where to get drugs from, that is to protect u and your dealers, as this site is also read by drug enforcement agencies. once a user gives out info they start from there. or they could post and bait user.

If someone wanted to get high legally, they can use google not here.

You have to understand, the law enforcement and media can twist information posted here, and show the public that this site is just about where to get drugs from and put pressure to shut it down. if you dont like it, make your own forum which is about where to source drugs from, legal or illegal and see how long it will last.

If I read on a forum that Foodtown sells salt, and go to buy 10lbs so I can snort it and kill myself, that forum is not guilty of a single thing. Its the moron who had a death wish who's at fault.
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So much for harm reduction

I got an infraction for asking if I could buy legal khat in a grocery store, basically the same as asking if I could buy the drug nutmeg from asda/walmart,
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Khat is pretty much used to get high, nutmeg is used to bake cakes.
 
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nolys said:
I got an infraction for asking if I could buy legal khat in a grocery store, basically the same as asking if I could buy the drug nutmeg from asda/walmart
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You received a warning not an infraction - it carries no consequences and is basically just a heads up to let you know when something violates the rules.
 
nolys said:
? If someone dies after ordering from a dodgy site from dosage problems or whatever, and they asked for a reputable source but shunned by BLs sourcing rules, I would put their death down to this rule.
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Who said the next time you order froma "reputable" site the stuff is going to be genuine and clean? many RC and other chems dont go through strict QC as OTC/Rx
 
The Monkey Banana and Water Spray Experiment
The experiment is real (scientific study cited below)
The experiment involved 5 monkeys (10 altogether, including replacements), a cage, a banana, a ladder and, an ice cold water hose.

The Experiment- Part 1
5 monkeys are locked in a cage, a banana was hung from the ceiling and a ladder was placed right underneath it.
As predicted, immediately, one of the monkeys would race towards the ladder, to grab the banana. However, as soon as he would start to climb, the researcher would spray the monkey with ice-cold water.
but here's the kicker- In addition, he would also spray the other four monkeys…

When a second monkey tried to climb the ladder, the researcher would, again, spray the monkey with ice-cold water, As well as the other four watching monkeys;
This was repeated again and again until they learned their lesson:\
Climbing equals scary cold water for EVERYONE so No One Climbs the ladder.

The Experiment- Part 2
Once the 5 monkeys knew the drill, the researcher replaced one of the monkeys with a new inexperienced one. As predicted, the new monkey spots the banana, and goes for the ladder. BUT, the other four monkeys, knowing the drill, jumped on the new monkey and beat him up. The beat up new guy thus Learns- NO going for the ladder and No Banana Period- without even knowing why! and also without ever being sprayed with water!

These actions get repeated with 3 more times, with a new monkey each time and ASTONISHINGLY each new monkey- who had never received the cold-water Spray himself (and didn't even know anything about it), would Join the beating up of the New guy.
This is a classic example of Mob Mentality- bystanders and outsiders uninvolved with the fight- join in...Just Because.

When the researcher replaced a third monkey, the same thing happened; likewise for the fourth until, eventually, all the monkeys had been replaced and none of the original ones are left in the cage (that had been sprayed by water).

The Experiment- Part 3
Again, a new monkey was introduced into the cage. It ran toward the ladder only to get beaten up by the others. The monkey turns with a curious face asking "why do you beat me up when I try to get the banana?"
The other four monkeys stopped and looked at each other puzzled (None of them had been sprayed and so they really had no clue why the new guy can't get the banana) but it didnt matter, it was too late, the rules had been set. And So, although they didn't know WHY, they beat up the monkey just because " that's the way we do things around here"…
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and you are the monkey asking why when you didnt get sprayed with water
 
grugz said:
Who said the next time you order froma "reputable" site the stuff is going to be genuine and clean? many RC and other chems dont go through strict QC as OTC/Rx
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I just wrote an essay in reply to that but my phone decided to fuck me in the ass and refresh itself.
Ok yes you are correct there, but it does decrease chances of getting landed with amt instead of mephedrone or whatever other drug which is definitly harm reduction.

I think the rules should be relaxed slightly but not completely taken away
 
nolys said:
Some sourcing rules are balls imo. For instance asking where to get genuine apb should be accecpted, because buying from certain vendors can land you with naphyrone or something unexpected, and as we know only certain sites sell the real deal. Is it not harm reduction to let people know where to buy legitamite drugs so they can actually know what they are putting into their body? If someone dies after ordering from a dodgy site from dosage problems or whatever, and they asked for a reputable source but shunned by BLs sourcing rules, I would put their death down to this rule.
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Do I really need to point out the flaw in this logic?

If we allowed what you're talking about, what would prevent the vendors from coming on here and saying their competition's products are horseshit and that the naphyrone they're selling as APB is the purest APB on the market?

You can have a board to spread harm reduction information to try to promote safety and reduce unnecessary risk or you can have a vendor review site, you can not functionally have both. People come to Bluelight BECAUSE the information we're spreading isn't tainted by shilling.
 
The sourcing rule is to keep this site under control like others have said. It also protects us against any legal problems. The truth though is sourcing is still done throughout this site (you should report it though). It's just people aren't going to be holding up a sign saying that they're. I'm sure a lot of users have at least gotten one email from someone asking for drugs.... People just do not do it openly. (No I do not source just stating something obvious)
 
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Do I really need to point out the flaw in this logic?

If we allowed what you're talking about, what would prevent the vendors from coming on here and saying their competition's products are horseshit and that the naphyrone they're selling as APB is the purest APB on the market?

You can have a board to spread harm reduction information to try to promote safety and reduce unnecessary risk or you can have a vendor review site, you can not functionally have both. People come to Bluelight BECAUSE the information we're spreading isn't tainted by shilling.
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Ok well maybe some sort of rule to prevent this? Perhaps only mods being able to answer sourcing questions? Members having to have 100+ posts? Something along those lines.

Although the more I think about it the less I think sourcing should be allowed
 
These rules didn't just pop up overnight, they evolved over a decade as a response to how the site was used. If there was some simple, easy solution that allowed this to work, it would've been discovered. Its rather arrogant to think you know better than the hundreds of staff members who have donated their time and efforts to making the site what it is over the last decade.
 
Sourcing is outside of Bluelight's scope.

The way to put it abruptly is that you can source anything you want to in a forum that is dedicated to sourcing; Bluelight is not one of these forums.

We allow sourcing for harm reduction products, but not drugs, no matter how illegal or legal they are in one country, or another, or the whole world.

If you don't like the rules you can find another forum which has rules that are more appealing to you. :)
 
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These rules didn't just pop up overnight, they evolved over a decade as a response to how the site was used. If there was some simple, easy solution that allowed this to work, it would've been discovered. Its rather arrogant to think you know better than the hundreds of staff members who have donated their time and efforts to making the site what it is over the last decade.
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So what your saying is that your not open to any suggestions on how to make this site better? That's all it was a suggestion. When 2 people talk to sort out a problem generally ideas are passed about. Those ideas may or may not be good, but without them nobody would sort any problems out. I'm not telling you to do this I was just throwing an idea out there. So in my view your being quite arrogant. Of course I don't know better.
 
This is going nowhere. I think we have spent enough time on trying to convey why we find the sourcing policy as it is a reasonable necessity. We are open to feedback but aren't going to argue about it.

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