TheAppleCore
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If you want a profound, life-changing psychedelic experience, 25I-NBOMe is not really the chemical for the job. I would suggest LSD, DMT, or mushrooms for starters.
Are the profound, life-changing experiences people claim from psychedelics overblown?
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justinsayno
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Not necessarily true....psychedelics [ as well as a lot of reading ] lead me to the conclusion that i'm an athiest. As my conclusions seem closer to what i assume your world-view is does the fact that intense mindbending experiences helped me get there a dumbarse ?
To OP....if you go looking for it you won't find it. A sickneningly sweet but perfectly true analogy would be : its like sex, its not that hard to get laid, but finding someone that you 'fall in love' with takes the right combination of random factors
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That stuff for life change, deep thoughts or introspection comes from within you the drug cannot come from the outside and put it in you.
For example if you really deep down dont want to change or do introspection it wont happen on the other hand if there is something you unconciously want to get to the surface it is likely to happen.
And then some substances have more of a mind trip like mushrooms allready mentioned by others or maybe 4-aco-dmt if you cant get mushrooms.
For example if you really deep down dont want to change or do introspection it wont happen on the other hand if there is something you unconciously want to get to the surface it is likely to happen.
And then some substances have more of a mind trip like mushrooms allready mentioned by others or maybe 4-aco-dmt if you cant get mushrooms.
Rorthron
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I'm answering you , but you echo a couple of other people's in this thread. Your answer can be translated as "I can't do it, so no one can and if they think they can, they are deluded" Unfortunately, from my experience many people simply cannot get a transcending experience, whatever the means. Psychedelics MAY trigger a life-changing experience, but they are not guaranteed to do it. You unfortunately cannot. Like many people cannot complete a PhD in Maths, no matter how much they study. A life changing experience from drugs or meditation depends on many factors and I believe some genetic ones are involved, but many are certainly environmental.
To the OP, certain drugs may trigger it. Some are better than others but do not exclude anything just because other people told you so. I for instance one of the most traumatic life changing experiences I had was with JWH-018... Of course Mushrooms or DMT (Ayahuasca, mainly) are the vehicles of choice for many (and I prefer them as well). But mostly who is going to change is you, so it's you who must be finely tuned to the experience so that it may change you.
I don't worry about it hugs - I just hate getting up at 4am and going to work in the pissing rain. I'd rather be laid in bed, the mushrooms can't help me lay in bed can they? The gas bill needs paying doesn't it.
I think if you could take mushrooms more days than you go to work then they could easily change your life - but 300 days getting up in the pissing rain compared to one day tripping just isn't enough to change a life.
It's the truth as I see it malakaix :D
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Since these experiences are subjective and intensely personal there is no real way to answer this question. All I'll say regarding this is that my life was forever changed by a psychedelic trip, and I've met many others who completely changed their lives after certain trips.
It isn't a guarantee though. I had tripped over a hundred times before I had a "life changing" trip.
DMT and/or Ayahuasca are most likely to bring "you" to these ineffable "places".
LogicAndReason
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Huh? My point was most people's "life changing" experiences from psychs are things like "I found god" (when it was just their feeble brain talking to them and convincing it was "god" speaking to them), or "LSD taught me to be happy." I mean, my point was, I have most things figured out already, so I don't really have anything for LSD to teach me.
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I'm not even sure how to respond to someone who claims to have most of the universe figured out already. Do you realize what just how outrageous a statement that is? Sounds to me like your feeble brain is trying a bit to hard.
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Actually, what I claimed is that I know pretty much everything that HUMANS know...not that I knew everything there is to know. There is a HUGE difference.
The person who believes he has nothing to learn probably has more than most others.
In general, this is true. But like almost all generalizations, there are exceptions. And like I said, there are PLENTY of things for me left to know, but the problem is, humans don't know know those things.
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nervousone
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Humanity is nothing but a miniscule piece of the universe; and even claiming you understand the majority of human knowledge is a laughable statement.
Foreigner
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OP, I've never done the drug you mentioned, but I can speak to many other psychedelic experiences I've had. I have found LSD to be an incredibly powerful therapeutic tool when done in the right setting with proper preparations. It completely refreshens my perspective so that wherever I was feeling stuck, it's possible to think through it or around it. Modern psychiatry and psychology have not worked for me, neither has any disciplined spiritual practice *on its own*. People can wait an entire lifetime meditating in temples to have the kinds of epiphanies that are routinely experienced on psychedelics.
To answer your question... no, I do not think that psychedelic breathroughs are a result of confirmation bias. I do not expect to have a revelation and then go looking for one. The first time I ever did LSD, I was at my friend's place and just thought sure, why not? I didn't know much about it and I was bored. It ended up blowing me wide open and I went from one side of the universe to the other. Things about my childhood came up that I thought were long forgotten. I think it's possible to apply any meaning you want to whatever you are seeing, but I also believe that psychedelics are medicinal allies that weave through your consciousness and reveal or activate what needs to be shown. You can't fake that. You can dismiss it later, or call it whatever you want, but what you are shown is not in your control.
To answer your question... no, I do not think that psychedelic breathroughs are a result of confirmation bias. I do not expect to have a revelation and then go looking for one. The first time I ever did LSD, I was at my friend's place and just thought sure, why not? I didn't know much about it and I was bored. It ended up blowing me wide open and I went from one side of the universe to the other. Things about my childhood came up that I thought were long forgotten. I think it's possible to apply any meaning you want to whatever you are seeing, but I also believe that psychedelics are medicinal allies that weave through your consciousness and reveal or activate what needs to be shown. You can't fake that. You can dismiss it later, or call it whatever you want, but what you are shown is not in your control.
RhythmSpring
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Sometimes the experiences are exaggerated, and sometimes they aren't. IMO, any statement about a trip within 2 weeks of the experience must be regarded with a grain of salt. Afterglows, integration, etc.
The true test to see if a trip was life-changing is to check in about 6 months later and see how the person is. Sometimes it takes a month or so for the old patterns (mental as well as habits) to settle back in.
On the other hand, some people take initiative and proactively improve their lives in the wake of a trip. This was catalyzed by the trip, but the real work was done by the individual.
Either way, don't ever let someone's story convince you that a life-changing experience is contained within a substance. It is not. It is within the individual. Always.
The true test to see if a trip was life-changing is to check in about 6 months later and see how the person is. Sometimes it takes a month or so for the old patterns (mental as well as habits) to settle back in.
On the other hand, some people take initiative and proactively improve their lives in the wake of a trip. This was catalyzed by the trip, but the real work was done by the individual.
Either way, don't ever let someone's story convince you that a life-changing experience is contained within a substance. It is not. It is within the individual. Always.
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villian
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Excellent link! There is some real knowledge to be gained from Watts.
Nah. I'm pretty sure without the positive mindset that mdma/ketamine put me in, I would still be strung out on painkillers/heroin.
I would call that a profound-life-changing-experience. thx
What part does it not disprove?
Sure, the profound feelings and experiences from psychedelics are subjective. But why are the subjective life-changing experiences from psychedelics for the weak minded?
I guess it is really easy to think like that when you are at a predisposition for hate.
villian
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I'll relink to this post hopefully someone gets a chance to look at it through the rest of the bullshit going on in this thread.
Lab-Test Monkey
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Thank you for sharing that paper Nervousone, I am digesting now and have immediately sent to a family member who perceives my use of psychedelics as somehow immoral.
I will be looking for more from the author to read now.:D