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Are opiates the perfect drugs?

THE WOOD said:
but yeah, are you going to say there is any drug out there that has a worse withdrawl?

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For sure! Benzodiazapine withdrawal is alot more severe. Not only are you sick for 2-3 weeks instead of 5-8 days. The mental problems associated with benzo withdrawal are far worse than opiate withdrawal. Coming off opiates you feel incrediably shit but you don't feel damage being done to my mind as with benzos. I've been told alcohol is also worse than opiates but having not gone through alcohol addiction I can't say first hand.
 
Alcohol and benzo withdrawals can cause death under some circumstances, heroin withdrawal just makes you wish for death ;)

--- G.
 
Twominds and Morrisons Lament, thats what ive heard, but having no experience i didnt comment. Thanks for saying it for me.
 
I wouldn't abuse opiates with the mindset that they are completely harmless. Eventually, you won't be able to take a dose without feeling the effects of withdrawal within 7 to 8 hours. It gets to the point to where you are always in withdrawal unless you're high. (No, boss, its just a sinus infection....) Nothing beats sitting at work with chills, sweats, runny nose, watery eyes, diarrhea, etc. And we are just talking about a 4 year habit on 50-60 mg of Hydrocodone...I can't imagine withdrawal from H or a 100mg+ addiction to Oxycodone....
 
For sure, opiate use can absolutely destroy your life all too easily. The drugs themselves aren't all that bad for you physiologically, however, it's mostly the lifestyle associated with it that zaps your health bar down.

--- G.
 
Every drug has a downside, opiates including. While I somewhat like opiates, they certainly don't strike me as anywhere near perfect. I personally wouldn't enjoy constantly sitting on my couch, barely able to move. Depressants in general do this and people who are constatly on them annoy me because when you talk to them its like talking to a zombie. If one has an unlimited supply of opiates and they constantly do them, sure they will feel good, but from an objective viewpoint that person will have a pretty boring life.
 
^ true, my life is boring and thats how I like it, granted I am not strung out but just have a small bupe habit. I am more suited to the chilled out do relatively little as possibly mentality. Call me what you want but thats how I like to function.

...but some of those people that cant keep there habit in check, or support there habit, or your general dope-head-junked-out-do-anything-for-the-next-hit character entertain a lifestyle some would deem insane, funny, pathetic, or on the edge. From there waking moment to the time they go to sleep all thinking is revolving around the drug. Some would even find 'there' lifes so entertaining they would make a movie about it, trainspotting, wasted, Requim, etc, etc.

Opiate are as near perfect drug recreationally wise as it gets if it wasnt for the addictiveness of my brain

MJ is the perfect drug in my opinion

Yea psych's are fine but drug users tend to use in stages as it usualy seems to progress to opiates as the end all.
 
^I do agree with you that pot is near-perfect (near perfect due to its effect on motivation)

But personally I couldn't do any one drug all the time, I have been smoking pot for a while and I get into stages of smoking a lot for a few months then it just starts annoying me. Things get old for me, so I never understood how someone can be in the same state of mind repeatedly for so long. For me moderation isn't just a safety standground its something I can't avoid, except with cigarettes. I am hopelessly addicted to tobacco.

To each their own, I just don't understand how some people don't get sick of doing only one particlar drug/activity/thing constantly. Sometimes I like to be sober for a change too, which seems to be a completely alin concept to some of my friends. Sorry if I ranted too much, I still got a little bit of adderall lingering =]
 
opiates are cool for what they are, but the only thing i dont like about them is coming down, because i always want more asap
i dont like the fact that i cant just stop and be content like other substances
 
^ thats odd. That is totally opposite of me. I dont comedown at all from opiates. Im usually asleep before they have even worn off half the time. Other drugs tho (especially cocaine and ecstasy) once i start coming down, i would do anything for more. "Content" is just not a word that crosses my mind with other drugs, but it defines my opiate experiences.
 
opiates dont make me tired at all, like it does alot of people. i will just sit in a single place for a few hours numb to the world till i come down, but never sleep from it.

comedowns of meth or coke aint to bad for me. i actually stay pretty relaxed as i come down off them.
 
Right now it seems like opiates are the perfect drug, in a few weeks from now when I run out I'll probably think differently :\ .
 
I keep seeing people saying things about how Opiates arent hard on your body and thats just complete bullshit.Bsides completely shutting down your digestive system and compromising your kidney and liver functions there are many other health issues associiated with Hydro/oxy/pharmies/heroin......I dont need to quote reports ive lived it and seen it in my friends.... skinny,sick,eye sunked in looking freaks ive come across. the prescription drug trade here in W.V. is booming and these people are as bad as crackheads....But im off it now and starting to feel much better and will never go through that again!
Ill stick to my weed and trip from now on....
 
No one is denying the overall effect of opiate abuse is seriously detrimental to your health. But it´s not so much a direct cause of the substances as it is a result of their effects. That is to say, it's not toxic, but it makes you feel like you don´t need to eat or take care of yourself, etc. - and that is a large part of what leads to the catastrophic health failure that so many chronic addicts experience.

--- G.
 
Shutting down digestive system? I know constipation can be a problem, but i absolutely love eating on opiates and have no problems if i eat a lot. Honestly constipation is never even a problem for me. Ive experienced it so little i could actually count out how many times ive had constipation but i dont feel like it cuz that would require too much thinking for me and thinking on xanax is quite hard =D
 
Morrison's Lament said:
No one is denying the overall effect of opiate abuse is seriously detrimental to your health. But it´s not so much a direct cause of the substances as it is a result of their effects. That is to say, it's not toxic, but it makes you feel like you don´t need to eat or take care of yourself, etc. - and that is a large part of what leads to the catastrophic health failure that so many chronic addicts experience.

--- G.
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nicely put. Anyone who really gets into opiates will probably run into this. Then you either get out, get stuck, or learn to adapt. I can be so fucking high on opiates and pull off looking sober, its great. But after a while of daily use, its impossible not to look like a dead fish. Your eyes just get so sunken in and chinese looking, and your pupils turn into permanent pin pricks.

EDIT ___ LOL! I just scrolled back and saw the pictures of those street addicts and couldnt stop laughing at how ignorant your dumb ass is.
 
The reason I like opiates so much is because I feel like they greatly improve my personality. For example when I'm high on opiates I am generally unaffected by the normal stress and anxiety caused by life. I feel like I'm a better person when I'm high. Instead of getting mad over stupid things, I don't let anything get to me. I look around and see all these people stressing over every day life, arguing of stupid things, etc. I just sort of feel like I'm above it all when I take a few mgs of oxy or hydro.

When I'm high, I am able to work out any problems I might have in my relationship with my girlfriend, my family, etc. I am also able to give good advice and help people work out their own problems. I just feel so calm, cool, and collected. Opiates make me an all around pleasant person to be around. They improve my outlook on life, take away my social/generalized anxiety, increase my sense of humor, improve my sexual performance, and give me a complete feeling of contentment.

I kinda feel like opiates have permanantly changed me for the better. Even when I'm not high I'm still more relaxed and mellow these days. I used to have some minor anger management problems, but those problems have pretty much gone away. Withdrawl sucks but it doesn't turn me into an asshole or anything, it just makes me feel really tired and sick for a few days.

Every once in a while my girlfriend will give me a hard time about my usage. She usually says, "why do you feel the need to be fucked up all the time, I don't understand it". What she doesn't understand is that I don't get "fucked up", I'm just taking a substance I enjoy that enhances my life a little bit. I always explain this to her in detail. I think she understands in a way. I always end the argument right away as soon as she brings it up.

I'm not sure what the future will bring, but I know that I have no intention of giving up opiates. They will be a part of my life for several years to come. I feel they are beneficial to me, and I've finally found the high I've been looking for all these years. I still don't have very much of a habit and I'm hoping I can stay near the level I'm at right now. I have no intention of trying more powerful opiates such as heroin. I'm happy with just hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, a little methadone, etc.

Not that I see heroin as any worse than the opioids I enjoy, I just don't want to risk the legal consequences, risk becoming addicted much easier, spend tons of money, ruin my relationships, etc.

So.. YES, I think opiates are the closest thing to perfect that you can get. As someone has told me, opiates contain the power of both heaven and hell. So far I've experienced mostly heaven, if/when I start to experience the hell, I guess I'll know it will be time for me to quit.
 
Nice synopsis, sOnic. I feel EXACTLY the same way. If you're tired, opiate give you a lift, if you're anxious, the calm you. If you're sick, they make you feel well; if you're shy, you become more bold. To me, they are the perfect drug. But, as I said before, you must approach them with respect. Educate yourself and be realistic about your usage. Understand the power they can hold over you.
 
Thank you.
I think that most non-opioid users don't understand where we're coming from. They see opiates as a harmful drug that "fucks you up" like alcohol or something. Most people don't realize that opiates aren't neurotoxic. A lot of the people I know claim they don't like opiates because they say opiates make them too tired, dizzy, or sick. I guess they just never got used to them or didn't want to give them a chance.
 
LIVE4EVER, That is EXACTLY what i tell all my friends who have never tried opiates that are interested in trying them: "If you respect opiates, they will respect you"
 
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