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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

I sometimes borrow from other religions and mythology to explain things that I don't understand or would like to understand better.

1.) The spoken word for God, "Yahwey" was never meant to be spoken for similar reasons already explained by @December Flower
2.) Greek Gods and Mythology have always been fascinating but I've only recently integrated their beliefs into my own. I did this by defining consciousness to account for every force, mass and energy we have found in this world. For example, I believe it's possible for water to have a consciousness and literally create things that were not there before. The Greeks would have called him Poseidon and that's pretty cool in my eyes because that dude was prolly into water sports.
 
Robi said:
educate me, an adopted chick leaves his/her fathers goes out and finds(or is given) his/her mate and breeds, generation after generation, the bird was ADOPTED, perhaps these fathers adopted another chick and that chick goes and does the same, i see it working out , the chicks survives and breeds, for generations......are you implying that these chicks will be homosexuals cause their adopted parents paired up and wont be able to breed?Yeah i could see it how it could work out at a zoo for generations to come, the birds just need two care providers, but i think you are again just a smartass, and i can relate to that, we will see how that works out
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im pointing out that homosexuals are unable to sexually reproduce, thus if it were a genetic condition, it would go extinct.

but if you want to be specific. If two homosexual penguins adopt a chick and teach it to be a lesbian, what happens after a few generation of nothing but homosexual attempts at sexual reproduction?

I see lots of humans force sexuality on their children, so why not penguins?
 
Surely you mean lots of humans force "heterosexuality" on their children. ^^^^^^^^^

Gays aren't sterile either, you know?

You can't "raise" some one to be gay. They either are or they aren't.

You do realize that something can be genetic and still passed down through heterosexuals right? Gays have straight parents obviously & if it were genetic, it would be the straight parents that passed that gene on, not the gay people. So therefore, gay people don't need to breed in order to pass this 'gene' on. It would already exist in heterosexuals who make children. Including their straight children who will go on to have more children.

Just like 2 brown eyed people can mate & have a green eyed child, because one (or both) of them carries the gene for it. So if it were a gene, you don't have to be gay to carry it or pass it onto your child.

My mom had 7 kids, 2 of them turned out gay, me & one of my older sisters. And no we didn't grow up in a 'gay friendly' home or were 'raised to be gay'.
And considering I knew I liked men at the age of 4, this implies to me that it is indeed genetic-related & not just something "learned". I didn't even know what "gay" was at the time, but had heard plenty through the TV & media that it was "bad" later on in the 90's.

If straight people are so tired of us "GaYs"... then maybe ya'll should stop having kids.
 
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assclass said:
im pointing out that homosexuals are unable to sexually reproduce, thus if it were a genetic condition, it would go extinct.
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Homosexuals reproduce all the time. Just because they don't like having sex with the opposite sex doesn't mean they can't.

A hetero man doesn't want to have sex with a gay man, but he could. In fact, most of the aversion to this (among men, anyway) is culturally ingrained. In 1500's Italy, homosexual relations were rampant despite Church efforts, mostly because men held the belief that men were so superior that it was to their benefit to be with other men, and women were mostly for reproduction. I'm not saying everyone actually believed that, just that it was a cultural attitude. There is a case to be made in history that misogyny was so high at certain points that men practiced homosexuality out of spite.

Being homosexual is about who you are sexually attracted to. You don't have to be sexually attracted to a female to stick your dick in and make a kid.

Not to mention there's the turkey baster method lol

And not to mention, lots of gay men want children.

assclass said:
but if you want to be specific. If two homosexual penguins adopt a chick and teach it to be a lesbian, what happens after a few generation of nothing but homosexual attempts at sexual reproduction?

I see lots of humans force sexuality on their children, so why not penguins?
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This actually made me laugh out loud for real. I'm imagining two gay male penguins decorating an igloo to be all Martha Stewart, and their lesbian chick growing up to be like "I'm gonna go ride a motorcycle." lolol... anywayyyy....

Sexuality is not taught. If it were, humans would've gone extinct a long time ago, along with most animals. Sexual urges are in-born, innate, unalterable. They can't be controlled. Cultural conditioning can attempt to convince someone that their true sexuality is irrelevant, but it often fails. I mean, obviously. Even in Saudi Arabia where gay men are tortured and executed, there are still underground gay bars. At best, you get people to fulfill their social duty (like men marrying women and having children) and then they lead a double life. Happens all the time, all over the world. The best you can achieve is getting gay people to pretend they're straight.

Clearly, heterosexual parents can't teach homosexual children to be heterosexual, so what makes you think it would work in reverse?

And in fact, we know it doesn't because gay adoption laws in North America are no longer prejudiced against homosexuals because all the psychology research over the decades has showed that gay men and gay women raise perfectly normal children who function as autonomous individuals. The majority of gay parents have straight children, which is not surprising given that gay people are a statistical minority.
 
^^^^^ This also.

Can't tell you how many married/"straight" men I've met over the years. The amount was shocking to say the least.

I don't even know how statistically anyone can even come up with numbers when it comes to gays, since so many of them lead double lives and some hide it their entire lives.
There's probably more homosexuality/bisexuality in the world than people care to admit.
 
December Flower said:
The Gods are far outside our reach. Even giving them a name or gender or character is blasphemous

We listen to faint call of the Idisi and think they are Gods 😅
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assclass said:
im pointing out that homosexuals are unable to sexually reproduce, thus if it were a genetic condition, it would go extinct.

but if you want to be specific. If two homosexual penguins adopt a chick and teach it to be a lesbian, what happens after a few generation of nothing but homosexual attempts at sexual reproduction?

I see lots of humans force sexuality on their children, so why not penguins?
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assclass said:
im pointing out that homosexuals are unable to sexually reproduce, thus if it were a genetic condition, it would go extinct.

but if you want to be specific. If two homosexual penguins adopt a chick and teach it to be a lesbian, what happens after a few generation of nothing but homosexual attempts at sexual reproduction?

I see lots of humans force sexuality on their children, so why not penguins?
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appreciate your feedback, i simply enjoy all views...ive taught my hetero children to fish and bring it back to me, and to flee from predators, the baby boy would hold my leg as i walked about in the kitchen, ive known so many gays parents and their kids always end up str8, GODDANG IT! but again , ty
 
Foreigner said:
Homosexuals reproduce all the time. Just because they don't like having sex with the opposite sex doesn't mean they can't.

A hetero man doesn't want to have sex with a gay man, but he could. In fact, most of the aversion to this (among men, anyway) is culturally ingrained. In 1500's Italy, homosexual relations were rampant despite Church efforts, mostly because men held the belief that men were so superior that it was to their benefit to be with other men, and women were mostly for reproduction. I'm not saying everyone actually believed that, just that it was a cultural attitude. There is a case to be made in history that misogyny was so high at certain points that men practiced homosexuality out of spite.

Being homosexual is about who you are sexually attracted to. You don't have to be sexually attracted to a female to stick your dick in and make a kid.

Not to mention there's the turkey baster method lol

And not to mention, lots of gay men want children.



This actually made me laugh out loud for real. I'm imagining two gay male penguins decorating an igloo to be all Martha Stewart, and their lesbian chick growing up to be like "I'm gonna go ride a motorcycle." lolol... anywayyyy....

Sexuality is not taught. If it were, humans would've gone extinct a long time ago, along with most animals. Sexual urges are in-born, innate, unalterable. They can't be controlled. Cultural conditioning can attempt to convince someone that their true sexuality is irrelevant, but it often fails. I mean, obviously. Even in Saudi Arabia where gay men are tortured and executed, there are still underground gay bars. At best, you get people to fulfill their social duty (like men marrying women and having children) and then they lead a double life. Happens all the time, all over the world. The best you can achieve is getting gay people to pretend they're straight.

Clearly, heterosexual parents can't teach homosexual children to be heterosexual, so what makes you think it would work in reverse?

And in fact, we know it doesn't because gay adoption laws in North America are no longer prejudiced against homosexuals because all the psychology research over the decades has showed that gay men and gay women raise perfectly normal children who function as autonomous individuals. The majority of gay parents have straight children, which is not surprising given that gay people are a statistical minority.
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Some fun gay facts :

According to the US gov, gay men have bigger dicks than their straight brethren.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The relation between sexual orientation and penile size - PubMed

The relation between sexual orientation and penile dimensions in a large sample of men was studied. Subjects were 5122 men interviewed by the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction from 1938 to 1963. They were dichotomously classified as either homosexual (n = 935) or...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov


Also the Romans & Greeks believed relationships between men strengthened their battle skills.
One could also say the Nazi's did as well, since the SA was run by an openly gay leader before the SS took over. And Hitler also openly admired the Romans & Greeks.

Gays & hermaphrodites were also revered in some pagan cultures too.

Being gay wasn't seen as a bad or unnatural thing until Christianity started coming along.
 
Keif' Richards said:
All I know is that I turn chicks into lesbians. I'm not sure if this is an effect of nature, coincidence or perhaps some kind of hormone I'm excreting. Hope everyone's having a good day :)
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Oh god. I was sort of in the after-glow of a psychedelic experience guys. I thought this was funny, but it leans a little more toward offensive. I don't want to imply that I somehow am the Alpha and Omega creator of Lesbians, although I'm probably reading into the cosmology and philosophy of my own stupidity a little too much.
 
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I agree with @AutoTripper's response of "all three", because I can't see a way to exclude any of them from a human vantage point, with our human brains.

Nature's designs are ultimately beyond the pale of human understanding.

I think of William Burroughs' words: "an artifact is that which is created for a purpose". Nature's complexities might be beyond us in an ultimate sense, but that doesn't mean they aren't functional.

I heard this a lot growing up: why do gay folk exist since they can't reproduce blah so how does that make sense for evolution? To me that says: Darwinism has applicability, just not infinite applicability.

Apart from the sexually flexible animal kingdom (which gives us a clue) i dont know where i came across this idea but it stuck in my mind: a gene pool advantage of human homosexuality is on the cultural level. (where "reproduction" happens i guess). It's the benefit of a biological setting, likely to result in outsider niche(s) who think different, act different, suffer marginalisation and thus are likely to create cultural advancement & friction...via avant garde/experimental art/other aesthetics/transgressive ideas or just by giving the rest of us who don't care about your baby photos a break.

Thats not to say gay folks are subnormal, just prone to be outsider class, and Nature is very fond of outsider castes. All castes have been in Natures matrix. If they get repeated it's because they are successful artifacts and she's always looking for the next beyond-ones. This planet needs new weirder mutants all the time.
 
Nature is always at work IMO.

Nurture is forever at play IMO.

The questions for me begin around God?

Do we call for example, the unseen devious likely nurters and manipulators God?

Because if "God" or whichever Rightful terminology and identity that would be, directly created us then I would definitely take all three but if we were kind of engineered for example or some sort of hardly benevolent race and kept as pets then I don't know how to draw got into that maybe we need to keep in mind who the nurturers possibly could be.
 
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