Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
very true, there seems to be a "natural ancient wisdom" found in all religions, once you boil them down to their core tenants and beliefs
collective ancient wisdom
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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
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collective ancient wisdom
I'm not very fond of any religion In particular tbh but I do believe in the universe/oneness/everything/God,etc. Whatever u wanna call it.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
same here man, I believe there MUST be a "God" however we want to define him
There must be a creator, there has to be
I don't think human brains can truly comprehend what God is, though, I think most religions are very human ideas ultimately
I think that's why a lot of ppl turn to buddhism, it's the philosophy that makes more sense to me since they don't believe in a specific DEITY and say their God is the true best/true/only God. They just believe in God as everything/the universe and their teachings are kewl. In rehab, tbh my dad bought me books of buddhism and they taught me more than the bible that my AA rehab tried to implant in my brain lols.
assclass
Ex-Bluelighter
lets see how well that works out over a few generations.
DeathIndustrial88
Bluelighter
Homosexuality is obviously natural, as it occurs in nature (albeit not as often) and has existed since antiquity (romans, greeks, etc..).
I have my own personal theory, that nature intends for some people to be homosexual in order to curb population.
If there were no gay people, our population would be even higher.
I've known I was gay since I was like 4 years old. I didn't know what it was at the time,but I just knew that all my sisters older guy friends were 'exciting'.
But I don't think anyone knows for sure.
Also, the bible has been translated so many times & is obviously a book that was once used to control people. So it makes sense that they'd put divisive things like "being gay is wrong" in there, to keep up us from uniting.
I have my own personal theory, that nature intends for some people to be homosexual in order to curb population.
If there were no gay people, our population would be even higher.
I've known I was gay since I was like 4 years old. I didn't know what it was at the time,but I just knew that all my sisters older guy friends were 'exciting'.
But I don't think anyone knows for sure.
Also, the bible has been translated so many times & is obviously a book that was once used to control people. So it makes sense that they'd put divisive things like "being gay is wrong" in there, to keep up us from uniting.
iridescentblack
Bluelighter
I don't think the penguin is going to grow up to be a sociopath. The world is going to be fine.
My earliest understandings of being what I would eventually learn was gay, were around 4, when I spoke openly to my mother she told me I would grow out of those feelings once I went to school. We never spoke again about it really and certainly not openly. I did tell her once when I was about 10 that I never outgrew my feelings.
Once, on a train, a hot guy sat down beside me and turned out to be a woman, she was a lesbian and dressed the part perfectly. She is the only woman I have ever felt any attraction too. I was very high at the time and remember thinking how ironic our random meeting was. She was platinum gay, (had never touched a penis). Gay men born through a C-section can hold platinum status but they are rare.
What defines our sexual attraction seems as variable as we are. For the few people who believe sex is only always about babies, that's fine, but to try hard to hammer someone with exotic taste into a tired old shoe (simply because you are) makes you a sex "karen" in reality.
I know a lot of sexually restricted people believe sexual diseases are common or are just fearful of them. Better education results in better understanding and removes all fear.
Once, on a train, a hot guy sat down beside me and turned out to be a woman, she was a lesbian and dressed the part perfectly. She is the only woman I have ever felt any attraction too. I was very high at the time and remember thinking how ironic our random meeting was. She was platinum gay, (had never touched a penis). Gay men born through a C-section can hold platinum status but they are rare.
What defines our sexual attraction seems as variable as we are. For the few people who believe sex is only always about babies, that's fine, but to try hard to hammer someone with exotic taste into a tired old shoe (simply because you are) makes you a sex "karen" in reality.
I know a lot of sexually restricted people believe sexual diseases are common or are just fearful of them. Better education results in better understanding and removes all fear.
Thst reminds me of something funny. When I was a kid My uncle(my dad's best friend since they were kids,) had a beach house we would always frequent every summer and he had a male dog who was apparently "gay" cause my uncle would be drinking and laughing with all the guests and he would suddenly turn around his face, he would go from laughing and stsrt yelling at his dog cause the neighbors dog would start sodomizing the poor
and apparently he liked it cause he didn't do anything. My uncle would start screaming FFS my dog is a bloody fking queer!!! The other dog is on top of him and my gay dog doesn't do shit!!! We would all laugh about it hahaha. It was pretty funny to see my uncle angry cause his dog was gay XDDDD it was hilarious tbh hahaha. Good summer times like 20 years ago 
Foreigner
Bluelighter
I was gay since birth. Even when I tried to convince myself when I was younger that I liked women, I still got turned on by men.
Why do we even need to know the origins of homosexuality? Does anyone question the origins of heterosexuality?
I'm not interested in people with clear bias who want to know the origins, because it's obvious that they will want to do something about it.
Gay people are not a threat to anybody. Leave them alone. Better yet, mind your own fucking business.
Why do we even need to know the origins of homosexuality? Does anyone question the origins of heterosexuality?
I'm not interested in people with clear bias who want to know the origins, because it's obvious that they will want to do something about it.
Gay people are not a threat to anybody. Leave them alone. Better yet, mind your own fucking business.
Robi
Bluelighter
DeathIndustrial88
Bluelighter
I find religious fanatics obsessed with an 'origin' cause they want to be able to say there's a 'cure' or an abnormal 'reason' for it.
I've even heard people try and pin it on chemical exposure (usually often by the government, forgetting that gay people have been around since the dawn of time) and lower testosterone in men (they have no idea how hormones actually work).
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I really dunno. But if the options are nurture, nature or God... Then i am gonna say God.
Why? No idea, because i am not God. Honestly, i am not.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
You just defined God there, a little bit. "Him". Not her. Not it. But "him".
Foreigner
Bluelighter
It's not just the religious that want to cure it, a lot of people do. And I'm sure there are some gay people who would like to be cured too who would become the focus of legal conversation about how "people should have a right to be cured". In the western world, there is at least one barrier stopping that... and it's that homosexuality is no longer an illness in any medical text. You can't "treat" something that isn't a disease. If it turns out that homosexuality is gene, which looks unlikely, then it would be genetic engineering to change it. I personally know what causes homosexuality (in men, women are different), with 99% probability, but I will keep it a secret until the day I die.
The hormone thing has been tried to death. When you give gay men more testosterone, their sex drive goes wild because the excess T gets immediately converted to DHT (and estrogen, in some men). T makes men more willing to engage in risk taking behaviour. Men with higher T are "braver". So all it does is make men have more promiscuous sex with other men. I would know, during my remission periods from illness my T tends to be above normal and has been for years, and my sex drive gets intense. It doesn't turn me heterosexual, it just annoyingly makes me want to have sex all the time and consumes needless attention from my life.
Funny historical note... the U.S. military once investigated the possibility that they could drop a substance on an enemy population that would turn them gay. In enemy soldiers that are extremely religious, like Muslims, it would cause confusion, dissension and violence. After investigating, they found out that it was impossible. The U.S. is fucked in the head.
DeathIndustrial88
Bluelighter
So in the latter sentence you claim to personally know exactly what causes homosexuality (impossible that only you would know on the entire planet Earth), but in your former sentence you say "if it turns out homosexuality is a gene"... Well if you know the answer then why would it turn out to be anything other than your answer?
I already know about the hormone stuff. Hormones can affect your mood or your physique but they will not change who you are attracted to.
I'm a little weary of some one who makes bold claims that they know EXACTLY what causes homosexuality..
And especially when they say it's a secret they refuse to share. lol Okay.
I personally don't care what makes people gay. And I've never really met a gay person in need of a desperate 'cure' for their homosexuality. Maybe a few & these were people who grew up in very religious households and had been brainwashed to hate themselves already.
I'm doubtful there is a direct cause that can be "cured" or some one would have been using/abusing this cure on people already.
People should learn to just accept themselves & others should learn to accept them as well.
It's honestly no one's business who I fall in love with/sleep with.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Ummh... Sorry i just woke up and just began the process of saturating myself with caffeine, i don't understand anything yet... but... You are a homosexual? And you talk about homosexuals this way? It needs to be cured somehow? "fixed"?
Look, you are not sick. I mean, i don't know you, at all, you might be sick i dunno. But in this regard, you are not sick. You are homosexual. There is a HUGE difference.
Foreigner
Bluelighter
Because I have to continue this conversation as if I don't know, rather than drawing attention to what I do know. That's part of maintaining the secret.
I'm not the only one on the planet who knows. It was already discovered over a decade ago, but it's taboo to talk about it, and there are not any published papers. As it should be. It's a human rights issue and a political tar baby that nobody wants to touch.
Yeah, you need to wake up more and re-read what I wrote because you're responding to something I didn't say.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
@Foreigner Okay. I apologize. I truly hope that i did not offend you.
Robi
Bluelighter
educate me, an adopted chick leaves his/her fathers goes out and finds(or is given) his/her mate and breeds, generation after generation, the bird was ADOPTED, perhaps these fathers adopted another chick and that chick goes and does the same, i see it working out , the chicks survives and breeds, for generations......are you implying that these chicks will be homosexuals cause their adopted parents paired up and wont be able to breed?Yeah i could see it how it could work out at a zoo for generations to come, the birds just need two care providers, but i think you are again just a smartass, and i can relate to that, we will see how that works out