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Are cannabinoids the most expansive hallucinogens?

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I've personally always thought of cannabinoids as a blend of psychedelics, dissociatives, and deliriants, containing fundamental aspects of all three categories. I've seen a lot of people say that they can't see any truly psychedelic aspects of cannabinoids and rate them more just as having elements of dissociatives and deliriants, but I can't agree with that. I tend to think that it's mostly dose and tolerance related, and believe that if just about anyone let their tolerance drop completely to zero and then ate a very large dose of oral cannabis then they would get some pretty psychedelic sensory and associative thinking distortions, but that these effects just sadly tend to disappear faster with chronic use than do the dissociative and deliriant ones. I know not everyone tries to use cannabinoids in hallucinogenic amounts, but I've definitely found this to be the case. Just as some examples....

Psychedelic: I know plenty of people who've described level 2-3 psychedelic visuals from when they first started smoking, before they ever tripped, and I had some the first time I had a large dose of oral cannabis. I also always get extremely psychedelic sound enhancement from any cannabinoids when my tolerance is low, and occasionally some light OEV/CEV with high enough doses. Aside from that lots of the JWHs have been known to cause fractals and kaleidoscopes in some people, I experienced some myself the first time I used pure JWH-250. Though I haven't had the good fortune to try it, I've also read quite a few accounts of AM-2201 being comparable to LSD or salvia.

Dissociative: My second time smoking out of a bong I had a dissociative trip comparable to my experiences with DXM, I was watching my life from a distance and simultaneously carrying on a conversation and a totally separate inner monologue, and I was significantly anesthetized. This was before I had ever used any other drugs, and I've heard of strong dissociation being not uncommon with newbies. I've also had similar experiences with JWH-250 and I hear that AM-2201 can also have this aspect pretty strongly, lots of strobing and flanging and the like. I've also had an out-of-body experience from smoking JWH-250 while sleep deprived in which I merged with inanimate objects and watched third-person scenes of my friends and random people play out in my third eye.

Deliriant: This one I haven't quite reached with weed, but I know someone who does get strong deliriant-like visuals that burst into fractals from smoking and he hasn't done any other hallucinogens, though he never forgets that the hallucinations aren't real. I have read JWH-018 trip reports where people reached full delirium with true hallucinations though. The closest I ever got to this was with JWH-250, my memory was completely wiped blank and I couldn't even remember owning my own hand, but I never quite crossed that final threshold into insanity. (I got so close, too!) I've also read lots of reports of deliriant-like visuals from AM-2201.

I could go on but this post is probably long enough already. I honestly do think that a lot of people don't quite fully respect the power of cannabinoids, they really are some crazy substances. I'd love to only do them once or twice a month at most and take heroic doses every time just to see what kind of crazy stuff I could experience, but weed is just so inviting to smoke every day lol. Does anyone else have any opinions or intense experiences to share related to the big three hallucinogenic categories?
 
I find it strange you didn't mention it's depressant qualities.

If anything it's more like psychedelic opium than a dissociative or deliriant.
 
Well, I was just referring to being expansive as far as hallucinogenic qualities go. I think the depressant qualities go without saying. Weed to me barely has any hallucinogenic qualities anymore unless I smoke or eat quite a bit, but the synthetics are definitely still up there. I would say that for me cannabinoids are most consistently like dissociatives, with a roughly equal psychedelic aspect with no tolerance. When I've been smoking a lot they even start to take on sort of a salvia-esque quality, which I think is probably related to the same mechanism as getting more anxious from smoking too often because it's generally not very fun. They're definitely dissociative for me though, I slip into hypnagogic states really easily with them and often feel like I'm approaching the void in higher doses.
 
I can only state my opinions from a smoking perspective, I've yet to try oral so my opinion is expressed throught the eyes of a smoker only.
Imo, smoking I get none of these qualities. Comparing it to hallucinogens seems silly, from a smoking perspective.
On the other hand, I have heard the oral ingestion is a totally different story. I do have them, and do plan on trying them soon. I've been told that eating it more psychedelic. I don't know about delusional or disassociative properties, I can't imagine this is true, but then again I don't honestly know for sure. Its very possible, but I'd assume unlikey. I definitely need to experiment w orals and edibles more.
 
Smoking weed barely gives me any hallucinogenic properties unless my tolerance is really low, and then they can appear to some extent. I do know people who occasionally get fractal CEVs from it though, and a friend of mine who gets dissociated easily sometimes gets the floating-above-your-body perspective. Eating it is definitely more hallucinogenic particularly if you eat a lot, and cannabinoids absolutely can have dissociative and delusional properties. Notice that I said there, and in the original post, that I'm referring to cannabinoids, not just cannabis. Ever smoked a huge dose of a synthetic cannabinoid? Do that and try telling me that comparing them to hallucinogens seems silly, I think you might change your tune. Most people I know would more quickly compare synthetic cannabinoid overdoses to dissociatives and deliriants than to psychedelics, though I've seen comparisons to all three. Particularly egregious JWH-018 and AM-2201 overdoses seem to have a pretty high incidence of strong OEVs.
 
Oh yeah, I have no experience w that either. I really have no desire for them tbh.. Ha mayb I shouldn't. A posted my opinion.
 
Haha, well I wouldn't honestly recommend doing those huge doses either, I'm just pointing it out. They're not generally that fun in those amounts and of course most of them are pretty much entirely untested and potentially dangerous. I would totally smoke them in massive doses all the time if there were some that were known to be as safe as THC though. ;)
 
I'm not sure if salvia is considered a type of cannibanoid or not but I could see how that could be considered to make one dellusional and dissociated, maybe even trip a little.i I have done that and it wasn't pleasant for me @ all..

I could see how they could be dangerous though..nice talkin to ya.
 
Salvia is not a cannabinoid but from what I understand there is some overlap between the cannabinoid and kappa-opioid receptors, and cannabinoids release dynorphins (at least most do, but anandamide doesn't so maybe not all) and those activate the same receptor as salvia. It can definitely make you trip more than a little as well, it's an extremely powerful drug, but it definitely is delusional and dissociated. I wouldn't immediately compare cannabinoids to salvia, but the intense panic attack trips (which supposedly are caused by those dynorphins) do share some similarities with it in my opinion, and I have seen people compare very powerful JWH-018 overdoses to the some of the same feelings of salvia, like feeling stuck and being ripped out of a joke of a reality to be trapped in a void.

And yeah, their main dangers, from what I understand, come from inhibition of GABA and respiratory depression. Not good....
 
Ya I guess my experience with salvia has made me not even look into other cannabis options.. Makes me nervous because how iof my experience w/ salvia was a nightmare to say the least. Plus, green I <3 w/ a passion.. :)
 
It's a pretty wonderful plant. :P (The green that is.) Salvia is pretty interesting if you're prepared for it and trying to go insane, but not if you're just trying to have a good time. Don't be fooled though, synthetic cannabinoids are nothing like salvia in regular amounts, they're just like weed but a bit different per drug, and often a little "fuller" feeling. As long as you don't overdo it there's nothing to fear from them, though they can be a bit more addictive than weed.
 
Its definitely something I need to educate myself a little more on.. I should maybe give it a try anyway, but bc I do have an extremely addictive personality ill have to limit my usage. I'm addicted to pot, if you can be.. Everyday for 10 years, so I try and be very careful with my recreational drug use. I've nevr had to worry about being addicted to anything else, which would probably be the death of me.
Nice chating w/ ya. :)
 
Well, as long as you keep it slow (buy small amounts at a time and plan to only get them every now and then, for example) I'm sure you'll be fine. Just be careful and you'll be okay, if you've been smoking for 10 years and you're still good about your drug use then I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Nice chatting with you as well. :)
 
Bear in mind that synthetic canabonoids like the jwh and AM series have been shown to have far more "side effects" than just pot itself.
A lot of people report withdrawl symptoms from synth 'noid and almost psychotic like episodes.

Stick with regular ol' cannabis if you're looking for that type of high, provided your not on probation or anything that would need you to pass a drug test.

I didnt like salvia at all, personally, nor would even look at it as a cannabis replacement
 
^ damn really? Ya I think ill just pass on that..hahah last thing I need is some sort of psychotic episode..
 
The psychotic episodes are synonymous with the anxiety reactions, or doing too much, and I addressed the addictiveness. There aren't really other common side effects that I'm aware of. Again, there won't be any problems with moderate and occasional use. I think synthetics can certainly be used for a good recreational high, I just treat them like their own drugs and not a replacement for weed.
 
sconnie420 said:
^ damn really? Ya I think ill just pass on that..hahah last thing I need is some sort of psychotic episode..
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Totally. The only good thing is that some are still legal, but the risk vs reward of synth vs cannabis just aint worth it.
A sweetheart like you doesn't need any psychotic breaks due to something like that
 
Lol, I'm far from a sweetheart, but thanx. :). Ya, I think ill stick to my old faithful.. You talked me right out of that 1.
 
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