I am alcoholic and have an addiction to benzos, I have read many posts regarding, there isn't such a thing as being "high" on them. Do you think they are similar or the same? Obviously benzos work on the alcohol works a little different, I find alcohol more recreational, yet benzos more addictive. Yesterday I ate 40mg nitrazepam, diazepam around 40mg and clonazepam 8mg. Felt nothing much, had a few drinks and was basically tipsy, although I kept falling all over the place. Pain meds get you high, but benzos don't do alot, compared to alcohol which isn't as subtle as benzos. Anyone care to explain the differences or experiences?
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Are benzos just alcohol in pill form?
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You can read about their receptor affinities. I think ethanol activates another part of the GABA receptor along with having a broader, "dirtier" affinity profile. For instance it is an NMDA antagonist according to some sources.
I agree that alcohol is way more recreational.
I agree that alcohol is way more recreational.
Got a huge tolerance to benzos, been abusing them for around 10-15 year, feel subtle but gives me a subtle confidence or maybe a false sense of sobriety. I had a few pints and was on the aftershocks, trouble was felt fine and made a bit of an idiot of myself couldn't walk in straight line, kept falling into people after got asked to leave the pub and could come back another day.
Nas47
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Haha. They used to be call like that-alcohol in pill...but no it's different,but when you exceeded some limits start to feel drunken yes
jasperkent
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See my last post in the thread Is it possible to use benzos responsibly?
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Benzos are great to get off alcohol but I have no interest in doing things I love to do when I use them recreationally.
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Benzos and alcohol are both GABA agonists. This is the pathway in the body that triggers excitation and relaxation. Benzos have a higher affinity for the gamma amino butyric acid receptor. A typical benzodiazepine is active at 1mg. However 1 alcoholic beverage typically contains 400mg give or take of ethyl alcohol. Granted they have different atomic weights which would make the mole ratio even greater.
Yep alcohol feels way dirtier than benzos, one of the most toxic drugs on the earth. Yet it messes you up and your life way more than benzos.it works on NMDA, dopamine, gaba, serotonin slightly (I think) and basically messes with every part of brain chemistry. I find alcohol way more recreational than benzos and is more in your face than benzos. On the other hand, alcohol is easier (although) to stop, yet its very hard, I have had DTs before, scary stuff. Benzos don't lower the sezuire threshold, alcohol mixed with drugs that cause sezuires are are a dangerous combo, tramadol gave me my one and only sezuire while on it.
Benzos effect GABA more stronger than alcohol, without effecting other receptors. Alcohol works similar but effects nearly every receptor in the brain, but yeah they are very similar in their mode of action. Just heard people saying benzos only give a high for people who need help for anxiety or insomnia. One thing they can both cause rage lol
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With the right amount of alcohol, a night of sitting at home by yourself can be a rip-roaring good time (. . . at least for a while or some of the time). And, of course, alcohol enhances social life so greatly & so reliably that millions of people consider it indispensable to everything from bowling to sex.
Benzos seem to lack the magic of alcohol for keeping you entertained while doing nothing — a dose high enough to be intoxicating will you usually put you to bed (. . . or on amnesiac autopilot) before too long. With socializing, benzos can help reduce anxiety/inhibition, but they can't exactly conjure up interpersonal rapport like alcohol.
Benzos seem to lack the magic of alcohol for keeping you entertained while doing nothing — a dose high enough to be intoxicating will you usually put you to bed (. . . or on amnesiac autopilot) before too long. With socializing, benzos can help reduce anxiety/inhibition, but they can't exactly conjure up interpersonal rapport like alcohol.
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Ha, your right alcohol on a night really can be an amazing night, except when you go overboard and end up wasted, which is great but the more you have worse hangovers. They seem to get worse as you get older. Love a good drink though. That's what got me addicted to drinking, it made me more confident, could talk to people and the ladies.
Benzos just space me out, end up falling asleep or get bored. Only exception is etiz love that. I end up get so so messed up I feel fine but I'm wasted a false sense of sobriety. Kills my anxiety but can make me overconfident like drink which can be a good or bad thing, depending on the situation.zopiclone messes my memory worse than benzos, except maybe the hypnotic ones.
Benzos just space me out, end up falling asleep or get bored. Only exception is etiz love that. I end up get so so messed up I feel fine but I'm wasted a false sense of sobriety. Kills my anxiety but can make me overconfident like drink which can be a good or bad thing, depending on the situation.zopiclone messes my memory worse than benzos, except maybe the hypnotic ones.
That's what used to happen to me before, I got on benzos. The day after drinking I couldn't sit down, felt like I was going to die until I got 2 cans into me. Was drinking everyday back then. But I get anxious the day after drinking, usually take a few benzos which take it away. I hate being addicted to diazepam need them even when drinking or I feel weird. Was on 30mg, now been cut down to 20mg after overdosed and ended up in hospital for 2 days.
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Benzos give you a "high" if you suffer from anxiety
There is a thread here somewhere where "benzo rage" was discussed and some scoffed but in my experience it is very real. lol There are lots of threads on this at bl.
I think @negrogesic may remember that... hell, it may even have been that thread on dropping a different substance. I'm lookin case I'm still chucklin. Guess that means I am in therapeutic range (atm).
I am very surprised that no one else has addressed this in this thread yet so here goes....
The combinations and doses of substances that you are taking are extremely dangerous and potentially life-threatening. Please stop and consider what you are doing and how you are going to work towards getting your substance abuse under control before you wind up dead.
Large amounts of benzos and alcohol can cause blackouts, a very dangerous type of amnesia where you can appear quite lucid and capable at the time yet your brain is heavily intoxicated and you are quite impaired. During these episodes people have been known to drive vehicles, pick fights with people, injure themselves, lose their wallet phone keys etc, end up in jail or in hospital, and absolute worst case scenario either kill someone or themselves. The person will often have ZERO RECOLLECTION of the events. It is very likely that you have already experienced blackouts before.
Another danger of combining alcohol and benzos in high amounts is that they are both CNS depressants which means if you take enough of both and fall asleep, you will simply stop breathing and die.
Taking cocaine and alcohol together has a different but equally as serious risk. Cocaine + ethanol = cocaethylene, which is an extremely toxic substance that can cause strokes, heart attacks and organ failure, leading to death. Cocaethylene takes a really long time to break down and leave the body so even after your coke and alcohol binge is over you're still at risk of stroke or heart attack days or weeks afterwards.
I really urge you to have a good look at what you're doing to yourself and why, and work towards cleaning up a bit. Cutting down the benzos is gonna be the hardest part, but there is a tonne of help out there, for when you're ready.
If you're binge drinking and taking benzos every day, DO NOT STOP WITHOUT MEDICAL TREATMENT. You will likely have withdrawal seizures. Have you had seizures before when you tried to stop/cut down?