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bingalpaws

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there's a pea that's in a ton of bodybuilding supplements lately, specifically:


Beta Methoxyphenylethylamine


Could anyone shed some light on this for me? As far as I know on this, pea's can be anything from very potent, cool, recreational products, to completely inert. Oh and some products they're mixing it with 5htp and variations thereof - dunno if that makes a difference.
 
also, another q on this ingredient - it's commonly claimed it has (in not so many words) psychoactive/feel good properties, and I can see how that would make sense with some pea's, but then I just don't understand how it'd be sold legally by major sports companies w/o falling under the analogue act..
 
if it is naturally occurring then there is some greater leeway in the act and at best they will likely leave it for the FDA to determine

also this is not addictive to any appreciable degree

if you know the plant from which it is derived i would be interested
 
if it's not addictive, does that mean it does not cause any heightened mood or other similar effects? I guess I just dunno whether or not to even assume it's active, it's commonly mixed with caffeine/yohimbine adn other things of that nature.
 
if it can not be identified in a plant source then it is not DSHEA and not legally salable as a supplment in the US and that makes potentials for DEA involvement above FDA a possibility though usually unlikely, but there nonetheless

simply it may be reasonably psychoactive but it is not nearly on the level of addictive and mood altering character as scheduled substances such as meth/amph et al

try to find out from other boards where this is commonly discussed what the plant source is as if there is not one these companies may be opening themselves up to a can of whoopass by the GOV so i am curious what's what
 
haha I wouldn't even know what board to begin at, seems there's trouble coming to a conclusion anywhere bodybuilding based, being a pea I figured I'd turn here lol!
 
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acacias - is there anything they DON'T contain?! I read about one recently with like 5 amphetamines, DMT, mescaline, and nicotine lol!
 
just read that, didn't really find any info - was the person asking the question basically saying all of those compounds (the ~5 variations of amph) are types of betamethoxy-pea's? If so I don't understand how that's explaining anything about this specific one - is it akin to an amphetamine?
 
that thread is just about acacia and amph/meth

This ingredient isn't being mixed with maoi's at all, one formulation is caffeine/yohimbine/l-5htp/beta methoxy pea.

I'm almost wondering if I should just go find somewhere that sells it and try it, I can't find anything concrete anywhere on this..
 
firstly that assay has largely been discredited AFAIK

secondly i so not think theat ebven identified this specfic compound

please if so show me where and again that assay has been heavilty criticzied and largely discredited

what research paper of legitimate authenticity is the compoany that is selling this citing as indeed thy need to have that to sell this legally or they may face serious repercussions as stated
 
Well I happened to stumble upon the product you're talking about bingalpaws, Dren by MHP, right? My honest opinion is that it's just a gimmick ingredient.

MHP isn't that great of a company and the fact they're calling this Dren (for 'drenbuteral) lol, an obvious attempt to make people think it is a legal, effective replacement for clenbuteral, should be a big red flag to you right there. Any supplement with a name that is made to sound like an illegal steroid or stimulant is usually a bullshit product, ime. Don't waste you're money, you can find real Clenbuteral or albuteral quite easily if you want to.
 
oh I'm not considering this for myself, just trying to help someone else and I can't figure this thing out.

About supplement names, that's the general rule that if they copy illicit nomenclature, that they're garbage, but MHP really isn't that bad, not as bad as a lot of others anyways. I should clarify that I DO NOT endorse their company, but to be fair I only know of about 5 reputable companies in all of supplements, so the fact that I don't endorse them isn't to say they're as bad as, say, muscletech.

That was the specific product in question, but I've seen this (or other variations on it) pop up in other products, like this:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/atrophex.html

Atro-EFX A Scientifically Engineered Ratio Of B-Phenyethylamine, B-Phenyethylamine Malate, Hordenine HCl, Methylxanthine (A Source Of Caffeine), IFAS50 (A Precise And Synergisctic Ration Of High Potency Fatty Acid Synthesis Inhibitors: Green Tea, Fleece Flower, And Loranthus Parasiticus), DL-Phenylalanine, Razberi-K (4-[4-Hydroxyphenyl] Butan-2-One), Naringin 99%, Citrus Aurantium 30%, Bioperine, Yohimbe HCL
Mood & Mental Performance Optimizers **
N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine-Ethyl-Ester Monohydrate, Vinburnine 99%, Vinpocetine 99%, Vincamine 99%)
Aqua-Retic™ Matrix **
Juniperus Communis Extract, Isopimpinellin 10%, Isoquercetin, D-Myo-Inositol, 4, 5-Triphosphate Hexasodium
Insulin Support & Weight Management **
Cinnulin PF (Aqueous Cinnmon Extract)
Pro-Thyroid Amplifier **
7-Keto (3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone), Dicana (A Patent Pending Diiodothyroacetic Acid Isomer)



definitely not saying that's a good product or anything, just another product introduced with pea's, which was generally unheard of a year ago.

About legal stuff, supplement companies get in trouble very regularly for this stuff (gaspari nutrition got shit for their halodrol-50 <btw, fuck you gaspari, I had to run tamoxifen after like 3 days on that shit!>, ergopharm actually had a product that I believe fell under amphetamine analogue and got pretty big shit for that iirc). I just find this quite interesting because, if it's actually got activity in these products, it seems they're just wide open to liability - the catch 22 here is that the real liability in the supplement world is still a joke. The supplement industry is like the wild west, they're so underregulated (not that I disagree with that, mind you) compared to other stuff it's not even funny (they are NOT under fda regulations, afaik DSHEA is their only major conformity issue besides advertising problems or the occasional analogue thing on a stimulant or prohormone).

I guess a part of me is feeling like, if this is a proper pea with actual activity, they may have a cool ass product to grab before it's shelved haha!
 
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dbailey11 said:
MHP isn't that great of a company and the fact they're calling this Dren (for 'drenbuteral) lol, an obvious attempt to make people think it is a legal, effective replacement for clenbuteral, should be a big red flag to you right there. Any supplement with a name that is made to sound like an illegal steroid or stimulant is usually a bullshit product, ime. Don't waste you're money, you can find real Clenbuteral or albuteral quite easily if you want to.
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quick q here, and sorry if I'm missing something obvious as I'm not very versed in steroids. But you're saying dren is trying to look like 'drenbuteral', then say to go with clenbuteral. I've heard of clen for ages now, but never drenbural, and wiki didn't have anything on it, I'm missing why they'd be trying to copy the name of 'drenbuteral' instead of just calling it 'mhp-clen' or something.
 
one can synth up some B-MeO-PEA real easy to see what is what

again though i am curious if the MHP product is DSHEA or they are risking their head being handed to them as it is one thing to be gray on DSHEA with some items, but to be totally not DSHEA with a stimulant seems to be a BAAAAAAAD idea IMO...then you can get FDA AND DEA involved , oh and FTC and they are basically free game to do anything they want
 
bingalpaws said:
quick q here, and sorry if I'm missing something obvious as I'm not very versed in steroids. But you're saying dren is trying to look like 'drenbuteral', then say to go with clenbuteral. I've heard of clen for ages now, but never drenbural, and wiki didn't have anything on it, I'm missing why they'd be trying to copy the name of 'drenbuteral' instead of just calling it 'mhp-clen' or something.
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No, you misunderstood me. Here is Mhp's description on this product:

DREN (Drenbuterol) belongs to a powerful new class of compounds called mesolimbic beta agonists, which have extremely powerful fat burning and euphoric activities. Drenbuterol is a patent pending compound scientifically formulated to stimulate both metabolic and mesolimbic pathways for extreme thermogenic fat burning and neurotropic “feel good” sensory. Each DREN capsule provides the maximum 409mg dose of Drenbuterol and should only be administered once daily and not be used with other stimulants. When taken as directed, DREN will help stimulate the thermogenic fat burning process, increase energy levels, suppress appetite and illicit a state of heightened mental euphoria.*
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That's what I meant when I said Dren, or 'drenbuteral', is an obvious reference to clenbuteral, the well known asthma med used for rapid fat loss and it's anti-catabolic properties.
 
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one can synth up some B-MeO-PEA real easy to see what is what

again though i am curious if the MHP product is DSHEA or they are risking their head being handed to them as it is one thing to be gray on DSHEA with some items, but to be totally not DSHEA with a stimulant seems to be a BAAAAAAAD idea IMO...then you can get FDA AND DEA involved , oh and FTC and they are basically free game to do anything they want
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I dunno man, I worked in that industry for years and was just completely shocked at how unregulated it is. The worst, worst overall situation I ever heard of was that patrick dude from ergopharm who was *supposedly* facing real trouble because one of the fat burners (I want to say 'amped' or amp'd', but don't quote me on that) had something that was amphetamine-esque in it.

Aside from that, you see shit on the market all the time that works as well, if not better, than illicit steroids, and it's fair game. Hell, even now I can VERY easily go online and get a ton of illegal shit for a steroid cycle. Finding steroids online is quasi-easy, finding the needed <illegal> gear, shit like tamoxifen, is a friggin joke. It's like the research chemical game only a million times easier for some reason.
 
wow I didn't mean for that to be so long. But yeah I worked in that industry for years and can only name 1 case that *may* have actually been relatively serious, despite being able to name a shit-ton of products that were highly illicit and clearly fell into analogue act guidelines. Supplements are the wild west, I'm dead serious. I'm honestly surprised that enterprising rc guys haven't realized this and made all kinds of rc-based diet/feel good pills and flew under the guise of 'legitimate' <if there is such a thing> supplement companies.
 
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