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Its made from other energy sources, such as fossil fuel, because it takes as much energy to make hydrogen as you get out of it. Most of it today is made from natural gas and coal, and the processes that make it pollute, and its the really the fossil fuel and nuclear industries and some chronies in the government that are advocating a hydrogen as an energy "source", not scientists.

Sure H2 doesn't contain C- C bonds, but bond formation can also produce energy - in this case the same energy required to produce the H2, so yes, effectively it is an energy storage medium.

As for non-fossil based H2 production: perhaps you should look at some developments of recent times, such as; biological production of hydrogen - still in it's infancy, but shows great promise - and solar production of hydrogen for which efficiency is relatively high at ~8% conversion, and bound to be improved further. Fuel cell technology continues to advance, particularly now that major auto companies are playing a bigger part. Check out the CRC handbook on Fuel Cell Technology to see just how much research has gone into developing efficient and practical cells over the past 10 years.


I don't see many fossil fuels in this picture

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Add a few of the newer SOFC fuels cells, and b/u sunballs & batteries, you're well on the way to being completely self sufficient.

I agree, but lets actually learn the science, instead of allowing our selves to be fooled by snake oil salesmen and other profiteers

I certainly don't claim to have all the answers. I only boast a recent degree in applied chemistry (started and completed while in my 40's) and 20 years working as a self employed (qualified) electronics technician/ designer. However, I do much of our group's research in my own lab, which at present contains among other things, a nearly completed pilot plant methane producing digester which will double as a fertilizer producer *, experimental H2 production equipment, and a pile of recently acquired QVF glass - to be used to expand our current research into energy efficient biodiesel production from enzymatic/ catalytic processes.

So, from my own extensive research over the past 5 years or so, I don't believe for a minute that the concept of a H2 based economy is simply a lie fostered and spread by snake oil salesmen.

Just because a scientist is involved with, or represents a company, it doesn't mean he doesn't still see things from a logical and realistic perspective. Sure there's money to be made, but there's also a planet to save and a global economy to even out (my words here). Hydrogen has a major part to play here IMO, as apart from initial costs in outlay, H2 will soon be able to be produced onsite in a cost effective manner that doesn't have on any ongoing reliance on fossil fuels.

If you have a fast connection, you might want to look at this presentation by David Freeman.


Hydrogen Economy (~40Mb)

* based on a working model designed and made ~ 20 years ago and which continues to provide uninterrupted high gas production for low biomass input.
 

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As for non-fossil based H2 production: perhaps you should look at some developments of recent times, such as; biological production of hydrogen - still in it's infancy, but shows great promise - and solar production of hydrogen for which efficiency is relatively high at ~8% conversion, and bound to be improved further.

But if you have enough energy from renewable sources to make enough hydrogen to replace our need for fossil fuel, then you have enough energy from renewable sources to replace our need for fossil fuel, with or without hydrogen. It isn't the hydrogen thats a solution to the fossil fuel problem, or the greenhouse gas problem. Its a myth that hydrogen is solving any of these problems. Its the renewable sources that are needed to solve them. Thats a simple thermodynamics 101 fact.

If you have a fast connection, you might want to look at this presentation by David Freeman.

Industry propaganda with no science or engineering detail. He claims hydrogen is replacement for oil. Thats bull shit. It can't be. Oil is source of energy. Hydrogen is not. And there's simply not enough renewable energy sources available with current or near future technology to replace the amount of fossil fuel that we consume, with or without hydrogen.

Here's something for you to read, talks about the details:

http://www.econogics.com/en/heconomy.htm

Here's an MIT study:

http://lfee.mit.edu/metadot/index.pl?iid=2298&isa=Category&op=show
 
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Ive been taking apple cider vinegar for a couple weeks now. I started taking it because I heard it helps your stomach produce more stomach acid and break the food down better, which some people suggest might help digestive problems and therefor help with acne. Its got other good stuff in it so I cant see the hurt of it. At first I couldnt take it because it tastes so extremely disgusting, but then I started mixing it in with a glass of orange juice in the morning and that masks the taste well.
 
its good for doing a super clense on your dread locks. let them soak for about 15 minutes then rinse. i usually mix a little lavender or rosemary in there to mask the vinigar smell. :)
 
I'm now drinking brown rice vinegar, it's much easier to get where I live. I swear, that stuff is like rocket fuel lite, I can be tired as hell when I wake up in the morning, and about 10 minutes after I take a shot of that chased with water, it's like a cup of coffee in one blast, but healthier feeling.
 
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