We are probably going to redesign the sticky thread now used for the fatal Bromo-Dragonfly mislabeling incident(s) to serve as an index for pretty much all known and especially the more recent RC fatalities. People have been expressing their worry about this sort of thing happening for a pretty long while now (at least relative to the very short while these compounds have been becoming available).
Well, it's sort of like another Bromo-Dragonfly (just basically regarding potency and occurrence of what seems like systemic failures leading to death after the material has been eaten casually). It seems like the deaths tend to happen when these sorts of compound are ingested in a way that would not be responsible even if it actually HAD been 2C-I or 2C-E.
It feels to me like there is a difference between people trying to use compounds with small therapeutic indexes and failing because they miss by a slight margin (such as can be possible with GHB: a few drops too much if you are an envelope-pusher and you are risking dying from vomit aspiration), and on the other hand kids who are just ignorantly chugging white powders.
I mean: forget therapeutic index margins, if you are dosing like that (and I think I have read that as a recurrent item with other incidents as well) you're fucked. Fucked like a toddler wandering into the cleaning product cabinet and dying from mixing bleach with other things etc etc.
Of course it may seem like I have an agenda, or are not sensitive to these deaths or grieving families, and many people may not see a difference. They may not be willing to look if there is a difference in the first place.
Hold on just a minute though. Are they reporting that this death resulted from oral administration?
Also there is a lot of talk (again) about murder charges but they are for controlled substances. I do not believe 25I is a controlled substance is it?
Well, R.I.P.
Sorry for being too clueless at the wrong place and wrong time; not meant to offensive, we have all been clueless or ignorant - yound and stupid - at some point, but not all in the same way and to the same extent.
Hopefully people will not be held accountable for the wrong things, hopefully there will not be forms of scapegoating by relentless angry and confused mourning relatives.
And also: hopefully people will be more careful. Like I hear some BL users overdosing heavily and coming here posting about it all upset, only to make the same mistake twice.
There is just such a big discrepancy between the potency of drugs like these and the extremes of human stupidity. Not talking about the deceased here (let's not speak ill) but about people who just can't take a hint and continue to tempt fate. Honestly, if hypothetically after a hospitalization and a total of maybe 2 more or less health or life threatening episodes someone still continues without knowing what they are doing and how it should be done... and they die?
They might be thrillseeking individuals, whom you *may* classify as adrenaline addicts.
Don't similar things happen with opiate addicts and ODing? Even moreso, does that not happen daily?
It's sad, terribly sad, but if the differences could be pointed out that are really relevant? I am not seeing them, help me?
I don't want to answer a lot of the questions I raise in this post, I just hope all of this gets people thinking. Then maybe thinking differently.
What happened can be expected to happen again, there is an elevated chance if NBOMe compounds and Bromo-Dragonfly and DOB, etc all easily available - or even hardly available. It's a long way from escaping from the labs now, and if serendepitously ultrapotent compounds find their way into the hands of unfortunate risk-groups (ignorant people, who may not even know the identity of the compound and if they do, not know how to handle them other than eating them, snorting them or smoking them trial and error style (Yes I have heard of the latter as well in PD)).... well then it's an accident waiting to happen.
And guns are going to find their way into the hands of small children and you can think of other most tragic examples of how our most sensitive and weak individuals come into contact with our most ferociously lethal inventions. The possibilities are endless.
No that does not make this alright, but we have long before this already acknowledged and accepted the situation.
just like all the rest of the BL RC promotionals people find immediately whenever they search on the most obscure drugs.
