Heroin anything you wish people at the hospital knew about heroin?

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Mostly just that, when I tell you which veins are collapsed, and which veins are hittable... I mean it and know what I'm talking about and I know much better than you do.

Also, not all of us are drug seeking scum bags 24/7 looking to get high from hospital pain meds.. so when I tell you what my tolerance is and that a certain level of painkillers is NOT going to work on me, I'm telling the bloody truth.

 

[BonerJamz09]

tricomb, thank you so much for that information. its honestly shocking to me to even hear about, esp now that i've looked for the papers you mentioned. has this been anyone else's experience? that you can still abuse suboxone? because i'm ashamed to say that is news to me, and its definitely not the common wisdom taught in medical circles. unfortunately, dealing with this issue lies mainly with the prescribers of suboxone, who aren't in the ER. they are the people who got a special license to prescribe it, and those people likely have very little incentive to prescribe something else when they went through the trouble of getting suboxone certified.

and thesameoldfears, you really made me think about how often people are set up with an IV in the ER out of routine, even when it's not really necessary. i'm thinking about all the times a nurse came out of a room rolling her eyes about how hard it was to get a good stick, and all that patient ended up getting was some IV fluids and basic labs that weren't really that necessary. i'm embarrassed to say it never occurred to me how it might feel to be the one sitting there getting poked and poked and poked, just so we could give them some saline. i think sometimes labs and fluids are ordered when they arent really needed just because people taking care of you want to feel like they are DOING something for you, but it's not worth it if it's going to humiliate a patient. i will definitely try to spread the word and think more about this in the future, thank you.

finally, morphling, i obviously don't have the full story here, but the idea of giving someone succinylcholine and (i assume) intubating them just because they were acting up is....completely outrageous. it's upsetting for me to even think about a doctor doing this to someone, and i just can't even imagine how it felt to be the patient in that scenario. if this happened to you then all i can say is i'm sorry, and that i certainly hope that the doctors involved had some other reason for thinking you needed to be intubated, because otherwise that seems like total overkill.

 

[JunkieDays]

Wow, Boner, you are awesome.
Keep doing what you're doing, pal.
It's good to know there are people like you out there.
You have my respect, sir.

 

[pizzystrizzy]

Yes, patients get fucking succh'd for being loud. Jesus Christ.

Is this in the United States? How is this not criminal malpractice? I mean, that's effectively torture, certainly more of a disciplinary than medical use of a paralytic. If the patient doesn't need to be intubated the person who administers the sux should go to prison. That's simply outrageous.

People often argue that it is abusive to administer anti-psychotics to patients with dementia, but at least in some of those cases I can see the other side, if the patient is violently agitated. But this is on a whole different level, a complete abuse of power.

 

[BonerJamz09]

yeah i mean, i have only limited experience, but i've only seen a patient succ'ed and intubated for behavioral reasons one time. it was in the ICU, and he was lashing out, trying to run away, and assaulting nurses, and it turns out it was because he was delirious from a med interaction. because of his meds/medical issues, we had to give him something special to calm him down, and in order to give him that drug he had to be intubated. so you see, it's possible there are other details we are missing from this story, but they'd have to be some pretty serious and legit details for morphling's story to be good practice, at least in my opinion (huge grain of salt).

 

[tricomb]

thanks for listening!

 

[Morphling]

yeah i mean, i have only limited experience, but i've only seen a patient succ'ed and intubated for behavioral reasons one time. it was in the ICU, and he was lashing out, trying to run away, and assaulting nurses, and it turns out it was because he was delirious from a med interaction. because of his meds/medical issues, we had to give him something special to calm him down, and in order to give him that drug he had to be intubated. so you see, it's possible there are other details we are missing from this story, but they'd have to be some pretty serious and legit details for morphling's story to be good practice, at least in my opinion (huge grain of salt).

Of course it's a violation of human rights. The particular case I'm speaking of happened while I was working for a French non-profit in Tanzania. My story is unverifiable, of course it is. I cannot provide proof, nor would I if I could--too much exposure. I'd never work again.

At any rate, this thread is NOT about me, if you care for details PM me.

 

[BonerJamz09]

Of course it's a violation of human rights. The particular case I'm speaking of happened while I was working for a French non-profit in Tanzania. My story is unverifiable, of course it is. I cannot provide proof, nor would I if I could--too much exposure. I'd never work again.

At any rate, this thread is NOT about me, if you care for details PM me.

sorry man i didn't mean to make it sound like i was doubting you, i wasn't, just discussing things. didn't mean to offend you. it's shocking that something like that even happened.

 

[sbflicka8]

the whole idea of the word addiction is such an important basis to grasp and understand. you want to just grab someone and shake them and say STOP! but it doesn't work that way! we see people OD, people go to jail, people die, people who love us and we love forget about it, we steal, we lie, we F up A LOT. we're people though. it wasn't necessarily "a choice." our genetic makeup makes us more vulnerable. we're peer pressured. we suffered through traumatic events... all these things led up to us using. im not trying to BLAME it on anyone but myself for reasons that I use. But it's a problem. It doesn't mean we don't love people we screw over because we don't stop or get help for them. It's "normal" for us to have certain lifestyles. It's normal to live day by day just trying to get the next fix, and when u have it, 2 minutes later ur already on to the next. it's sad, pathetic, sure. but we are people too. I was a straight A, high school and college student with a field hockey scholarship. I was accepted to transfer to one of the best schools in the country. I worked for political parties and campaigns. Most users are beautiful people that have made such incredible impacts on peoples lives. Were too smart for our own good sometimes and things slip and get away from us. We fell off the horse, and people may say "well just get back up there!" but fighting addiction and going through recovery is one of the hardest things that will ever be accomplished in LIFE. it is impossible to understand what we go through unless you yourself have personally experienced it. the only thing u really can do is listen. be supportive. be a friend. be someone we can trust and go to in times of need. be encouraging. listen... just listen...

 

[Morphling]

sorry man i didn't mean to make it sound like i was doubting you, i wasn't, just discussing things. didn't mean to offend you. it's shocking that something like that even happened.

No problem at all, and I wasn't offended.

Keep up the good work