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anyone use very heavily, and feel fine years later?

That was hard to read! :X

But yeah, me and most of the people I party with are heavy users and we'll roll all weekend long but I have yet to come across any side effects besides depression which was cured with the use of 5-htp.

Aside from the occasional horror story I've heard here that have absolutely no credibility, I have never heard of or met anyone with serious side effects.
 
When I first started years ago I rolled on average 4 times a week eating anywhere from 4 to 15 pills a night I did this for 6-8 months straight. Years later I am fine. (cept I hated techno before I started rolling and now its almost all I listen to):p
 
Worst part is I have been told by Some good Djs that I am excellent on the tables and been asked to spin at the clubs when they come back around to open for them. (damn techno):p
 
well i understand that you are not promoting heavy e usage or anything by saying fine but what everyone needs to understand is that everyperson is different and while taking hundreds of pills could have done nothing to one person, it could seriously fuck up other people... especially if the pills that are taken are cut with other stuff than mdma/mda/mde
 
I would say erericana has a good point. Its prolly not that mdma thats bad or causes damage, its all the other garbage like meth, etc. I do personally know though a few people who I could call really hardcore who take disgusting amounts of pills and have been doing it for years, and they "seem" fine. Able to function enough to go to work or school or whatever. Not sure if really is any damage, even with myself, but I guess only time will tell.
 
I would have to agree (for myself at least). I went through a period of 3 or 4 years where I took E all weekend every weekend but haven't had any now for about 2 years and I feel totally fine. No psychological problems or memory loss (I think!!!). In fact went back to Uni to do a Masters and am doing a hell of a lot better now than the first time I studied.:D
 
I scared the shit out of myself the other week.

Played that game memory and was REALLY shit at it, like really!

This however was on a wednesday after taking pills and smokable wizz

After a tiny 3 week break i'm back to normal again, so I guess i was just low on serotonin, even though i took heaps of vit C after my roll

Although i wonder if i would have done permanant damage doing smokable wizz and pills without taking vit C afterwards...
 
I've been taking pills every weekend now for over a year near enough,all my friends do too. We all seem fine. But who's to say in 10 or 15 years?
 
I, too, used to take absurd amounts of ecstasy. When I was 18-19 (I'm 24 now), I used to roll two or three times a week, because I didn't know how absolutely stupid that was. When I was 20-21 I got back into it, and though I didn't do it as often, I did way, way too many pills most of the time, making the hangover so awful that it almost wasn't worth rolling at all.

And all of that ecstasy SCREWED ME. I ended up with a panic disorder so horrible that I literally couldn't leave my house unless I absolutely positively had no choice, and that lasted for over a year until I finally got medicated for the panic. Now I'm panic-free, and I still do ecstasy, but only 3-6 times a year, and never more than 2 pills a night, 3 if they're not very strong.

Not only do I feel so much better having stopped the excessive use, but spacing out experiences by 2-4 months makes every roll so much better, and limiting myself to 2-3 pills pretty much eliminates the hangover. \

From my experiences with the people I used to roll with, and just the clubs we went to where everyone rolled all the time, I've found that a lot of people start doing ecstasy and of course find it fantastic, so they do it way, way more than they should. It takes about two weeks, maybe more, for the brain to replenish the serotonin you lose from rolling, so you shouldn't roll more than twice a month, and even that, IMO, is way too much. I wouldn't roll more often than once every two months, and often I wait more like three or four. But I also believe that if I hadn't gone so overboard back then, I wouldn't have learned from my mistakes, and I wouldn't have the perspective/hindsight to know better now. We all have to learn by screwing up.

But I do definitely feel so, so much better now that I do it infrequently. Doing it all the time made me feel physically crappy, and mentally fuzzy and depressed, not to mention my mouth was always one giant sore from chewing on my face all night. Keeping it in the front of my mind that there are so many bad sides to doing a lot of ecstasy really helps me stay away from it, even though of course sometimes I want to do it every day of the week.

But with any drug (pot being the possible exception), the less often you do it, besides it being obviously less unhealthy for the body/brain, the better the experience is. Doing ecstasy all the time makes the experiences repetitive and boring, and diminishes them pretty severely. Now I realize that instead of having to spend enough money to take four or five pills to get off, I can spend a lot less money a lot less often and have a much, much better roll.
 
I too went trough a period of heavy E use for 2 years.And now 1.5 years later i can only say that it had made me more emotionaly stable than i was before i start using E.I can't say i have any negative side-effects appart from the ocationally E-cravings.
 
During the first year and a half of doing E I was going out just about every weekend. I may have worn myself out a little mentally and physically during that time, however I returned to normal shortly after that. I guess the majority of people go a little wild when they first start. The key is to realize how to moderate and respect the drug as soon as possible - along with knowing it's long and short term side effects. Lucky, I started out with all of my brain cells intact before trying E. Some people are already fried or just plain dumb before they get into heavy drug use.
 
I, myself, started dropping a year ago and recently went overboard and had 12 pills in 3 days (last week) and every week before that I had dropped 2-4 pills/week. I guess that isn't NEARLY as heavy as you guys say but I noticed that it made me lose some inhibition to do things and caused me to think problems were worse than they really were... Though right now, a week later I feel perfectly fine, no problems what-so-ever.

I think it can cause problems for some while none for others, but in my case it is just the problem of losing inhibition to do anything and making problems bigger when I drop excessively. Also I guess I could say my ability to learn/process things drops a bit during those periods of time but has for me, gone back to it's original state.

I say very heavy use is inpractical because you get no real benefit out of it at all... Once you start getting more negatives than positives you should take a break.
 
danny, you're right; the key to successful and (as) safe (as possible) drug use is to know as much as you can about the drug and your body before you ever take it. unfortunately, we don't live in that drug utopia.

ah, i remember being eighteen and totally believing that ecstasy was cut with heroin and mescaline (the funniest part of that, i think, is that for some reason i was fine with taking it anyway, even though i'd have never taken mescaline or heroin on its own). i remember being even younger and thinking that acid really did settle in your spine, so you could crack your back later on and trip again (which would be nice).

but i don't think it's fair to say that people who land themselves in heavy or irresponsible drug use are 'just plain dumb'. there are stupid people, and there are people who are just uneducated, and they're not the same thing at all. stupid people are taught the facts and deny them; stupid people read about the consequences and do the dangerous, moronic things, anyway. uneducated people don't know things and don't know how to find them out, so they listen to word of mouth, believe their friends maybe, and get in over their head.

we all started out without knowledge. we all had to learn from those who had learned before us. just because we didn't know in the beginning doesn't mean we were stupid, it means we hadn't been taught yet. it's like saying that a fourteen-year-old who doesn't know algebra on the first day of school is an idiot for not figuring it out for himself over the summer.

one of the biggest reasons i'm on these boards and others is to answer the questions that i can; i spent a long time learning, and if i can help someone else learn and therefore be safer, that's a great thing. people taught me, and now i am trying to teach people in return. if you haven't learned about ecstasy because you simply don't even know where to begin, and you take it, you're probably going to fall in love with it, think it must be safe, it feels so good, let's do it all the time... that's how it often is. are all of those people stupid? or did they just not know things, or how to find them out?

calling the uninformed stupid will only keep people from coming to places like this to become educated.

i don't mean to come across as mean at all, so if i did, i am very sorry. i just had to say htat.
 
lilyisdancing said:
but i don't think it's fair to say that people who land themselves in heavy or irresponsible drug use are 'just plain dumb'
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lily - I never sad that. I'm addressing an angle on the question, particulary the "feel fine years later". Many people are quick to blame drugs for ruining their mind, when in fact they are just naturally prone to a slower rate of education. I'm egocentric to having a substance control every aspect of my life so I would never make a comment on the correlation between education and heavy drug use. Irresponsibility, on the other hand, I believe is somewhat determined by education.
 
Ultimately I think there is a selection effect at work. The people who end up taking hundreds or thousands of pills over their lifetime can do it because they don't experience the negative effects some others do. Other people start getting bothered by the negatives after as few as 10-20 pills, though 40-50 is more typical. For that and other reasons, a lot of people don't ever pass 100. So you hear all these stories about people taking hundreds of pills and being fine, but where are the others saying that they feel shit and it's cause dthem emotional/cognitive problems because of it? Not in this forum... Some are in The Dark Side, and others have simply moved on and so can't communicate their views
 
VeloxideX - when you say many people never get past 100 pills, do you mean in terms of some using regularly over a short period, or in people that take care to use in moderation and supplement with vitamins/5HTP? I like to think I take good care of myself as far as ecstasy goes, never rolling more than once every 2 months and always supplementing after a night out. I don't like the idea that I may only have 10-20 good pills in me before the magic is lost... :(
 
I know it may sound a little psycho, but until a year ago, I used to keep a log of how many pills I've done, what type they were, and the type of experience it was. I stopped at 148. It was actually beneficial because when you think you're moderate, you don't realize how they add up over even a short period of time. My first year alone my total came to just under 50 although the individual doses were never over 2 to 3 for the whole night. It was a funny thing because 90 percent of the time, it was spontaneous. When you don't plan on doing them beforehand, it makes you feel like you're even more moderate than when you plan to. I'd be out with my friends and someone would just show up with some pills and say "Hey, I got some extra, want 'em?"
 
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