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Anyone ever IV'ed DPT and Ketamine?

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So IM'ing dpt and and ketamine has so far been the pinnacle of my drug experience, like tapping into the conscious of the universe. It so magical, I do it only twice a year. I would describe it more as a ketamine trip with some personality and extra flavor from the dpt. After reading the Spirit Molecule, I have gained interest in the possibility of a dmt like molecule taken by iv may produce an experience beyond any dmt experience I have had by other routes (smoked, im, oral with MAOI). DPT, unlike DMT, by itself produces physical symptoms in me that annoy me and prevent me from enjoying the trip. But I don't want to IV some hastily extracted material. Taken with ketamine, the symptoms are gone. I have tried 15mgs of dpt iv'ed and found the dpt produced too much anxiety with out anything too magical to experience. So here I am contemplating trying a higher dose of dpt with ketamine IV'ed. The ketamine is to mostly get rid of annoying dpt symptoms.

Has anyone tried IV'ing a DMT like compound with ketamine?

How long did the experience last and was it long enough to adequately experience the two substances? I've tried ketamine IV'ed by itself, but its too short for me to properly produce a a worth while experience.

How does it compare to IM'ed DPT and Ketamine?

Any other words of wisdom would be appreciated.
 
I've used IV synthetic DMT + ketamine.

I suspect there many parallels in the tryptamine + ketamine experience, whether the tryptamine is DMT, DPT, or psilocin. DPT + ketamine is something I'd like to try one day, but I'd probably stick with IM, rather than IV. I think IV is best reserved for the very short acting psychedelics. For what it's worth, I've never read a positive report of IV DPT.

Psilocin, Ketamine & 4-AcO-DMT - Experienced - Reflections in an Obsidian Fountain

In post #12, I describe my DMT/K experience.

What doses have you used with IM DPT + K?

p.s. I should give a fair warning that the last two times I've tried IV DMT (the most recent being roughly a year ago), I have been caught off guard by a disconcerting and novel effect, which has some similarities to the dual-stylus phenomenon described by psood0nym.

More on this off-topic tangent:

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In my case, instead of facilitating two chronologically distinct sets of phenomenal experience that remained separated by a second or two in time, the two styluses parted and realigned like two oscillating waves with different frequencies. When the two waves were not aligned (in which case they would be separated by a fraction of a second), all sensory input was like the sound of a dischordant note, and the feel was absolutely toxic.

I injected 20 mg DMT and 5 mg ketamine IV while listening to Sigur Ros on the tail end of an LSD trip. ... I started to notice double and triple drum beats in the music. My memory is not crystal clear of this event, but from what I remember, if I focused my attention on the music, it would cohere into a unified stream. If I relaxed my focus on the other hand, the music would become dismantled, and I would begin to recognize stray beats, a temporary dual stylus phenomenon where a single sensory stimulus was perceived in duplicate (or maybe even triplicate?). The “second” beats were separated from the first by only a fraction of a second. It was not a steady, consistent duplication of my experience, rather it seemed to come and go as the DMT effect wore off. The experience was accompanied by a difficult to describe feeling of disintegrated thought processes as well. The brevity of the experience prevented deeper analysis of the state. I can't say I wanted to revisit it either though.
 
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Dondante: My doses are around 40 mg dpt and 130mg ketamine IM'ed in the shoulder. 40 mgs of dpt by itself is nerve racking and unenjoyable, but the ketamine makes everything all better. It literary feels like its impossible for me to have bad trip while under the influence of ketamine. I haven't pushed that theory though.

Reading The Spirited Molecule, Rick talks about how dmt was a different animal IV'ed than when IM'ed because the mind didn't have time to realize what was happening and so letting go and giving in to the experience was much easier. Just hoping it may be the same same with dpt with a little ketamine. I may need to try 4-AcO-DMT instead.

I very much appreciate those links, those are some interesting experiences.
 
I IV'd DPT once. It hit me before I got the needle out of my arm. When I pulled it out I saw blood everywhere. Then it was gone, then it was back...

Never again.

The blood wasn't real, BTW.
 
ive iv'd ketamine before 3 times and snorted it 6 times id definitly recomend shootin it up much better experiance. and ive mixed it with dpt it was not fun at all for me kicked in fast and i just fell asleep... wouldnt recomend. i love mixing dissiosiatives with lsd tho makes the morbid trip more colourfull.
 
lostreality said:
Dondante: My doses are around 40 mg dpt and 130mg ketamine IM'ed in the shoulder. 40 mgs of dpt by itself is nerve racking and unenjoyable, but the ketamine makes everything all better. It literary feels like its impossible for me to have bad trip while under the influence of ketamine. I haven't pushed that theory though.

Reading The Spirited Molecule, Rick talks about how dmt was a different animal IV'ed than when IM'ed because the mind didn't have time to realize what was happening and so letting go and giving in to the experience was much easier. Just hoping it may be the same same with dpt with a little ketamine. I may need to try 4-AcO-DMT instead.

I very much appreciate those links, those are some interesting experiences.
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How's the recall of the experience with that high of a ketamine dose? Any ketamine tolerance to speak of?

With IV DMT/K, I found that when I went above 10 mg ketamine, my ability to recall the experience became notably impaired...memory of high-dose DMT isn't all that accessible to begin with.

For IM DPT + ketamine, I plan on starting somewhere around 40/60 mg, respectively, whenever I get around to trying it.
 
I have a high tolerance to ketamine. 130mg IM'ed or 200mg snorted are required for me to k-hole despite not doing it for six months. I'm sure my memory is similar to yours where the totality of the experience is impossible to understand with the regular sober mind, only a minor idea about the major themes of the experience and a minor memory of visions and feelings. If I go much lower in dose, nothing interesting happens.

I'll thread carefully with my experiences.
 
Check this out: Substance of the month: ketamine & indole compounds

I don't think there's any IV DPT stories in that thread I linked to, but there plenty of ketamine/tryptamine combos. I agree with your assessment that these ketamine/indole combos are characterized predominately by the qualitative features of ketamine trips rather than those of tryptamines -- as well as your observation that the combos are less anxiogenic than their indolic solo performers -- though that's somewhat dependent on dose. Because of this, I think altering the dissociative component of the combo rather than the serotonergic might be fruitful (I don't know if doing this will get you "further," but it will probably result in a substantially novel experience). Adding methoxetamine to the ketamine/tryptamine combo strikes me as especially interesting. My one experience with DXM and IM ketamine and DPT resulted in far more tactile and extreme somatosensory map "twisting" effects than ketamine/DPT alone (4-MeO-PCP might also be interesting).

Regarding IV DPT: I wouldn't depend on DPT IV hitting as quickly as DMT IV to power through your mind's recognition of what's happening and prevent unpleasantness like you're hoping. Smoked DPT freebase doesn't hit anywhere near as quick as smoked DMT, so that's what makes me think IV DPT will take more time. Also, in my IM DPT experiences I've noticed the compound changing into a more 5-MeO-DMT-like hardcore ego dissolver at between 55 - 65 mg IM. I imagine IVing DPT at a dosage where unique qualities emerge via that route compared to other routes might trend more towards ego-vaporization scenarios, which I don't think you're looking for. I can't say for certain, but IV MET might be worth looking into if you're looking for a fast hitting IV tryptamine synthetic that's not synthetic DMT. In the mean time I'll just echo Dondante's advice and say try out IM 4-AcO-DMT with ketamine before IVing anything, as well as maybe a few other dissociative components.
 
psood0nym said:
...ego-vaporization scenarios...
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Reminded me of Jamshyd's experience with 90 mg DPT + 60 mg ketamine insufflated:

"I closed the scale box. Didn't take 2 seconds. I knelt to put the scale back in its bottom drawer...

ZIP!

In a split second, EVERYTHING WAS FUCKING ERASED. There was no rush. There was no comeup. One second I was in a regular manageble Ketamine giddiness, a second later everything in existence just snapped away.

There was no room. There was no world. There was no life. There was no I. There was no you. There was no body. There was no universe.

You know when a scratched CD or record gets caught up at a single track and keeps repeating the same note over and over again at high speed? That is the only thing that was heard.

There was utter chaos. Since I no longer existed, and neither did the world or my eyes to receive that world, there were no visuals or sounds and I have no clue of my physical body left behind had its eyes open or closed because I was utterly blinded by colourless, formless, chaos."​
 
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Dondante said:
Reminded me of Jamshyd's experience with 90 mg DPT + 60 mg ketamine insufflated:

"I closed the scale box. Didn't take 2 seconds. I knelt to put the scale back in its bottom drawer...

ZIP!

In a split second, EVERYTHING WAS FUCKING ERASED. There was no rush. There was no comeup. One second I was in a regular manageble Ketamine giddiness, a second later everything in existence just snapped away.

There was no room. There was no world. There was no life. There was no I. There was no you. There was no body. There was no universe.

You know when a scratched CD or record gets caught up at a single track and keeps repeating the same note over and over again at high speed? That is the only thing that was heard.

There was utter chaos. Since I no longer existed, and neither did the world or my eyes to receive that world, there were no visuals or sounds and I have no clue of my physical body left behind had its eyes open or closed because I was utterly blinded by colourless, formless, chaos."​
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His experience was similar to mine but it took a few minutes to hit me. I did 75mg DPT and roughly 200mg ketamine on my MDMA peak. I was in this other world for roughly 3 hours. The experience was by far my best trip.

I have yet to inject anything but I can't imagine DPT+Ketamine being any more intense. Whether you choose to inject it or snort it, I must highly recommend this combo. Just be wary, it's not for the light of heart or those who enjoy having lots of control over their trips.

This is more of a raw existance/body ceases to exist trip. It took me to the edges of the universe and back.
 
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