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Anyone else think less is more?

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AlyDrops

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To be more specific, I'm talking about like the difference between "regular" tripping and reaching OBE levels like in a DMT breakthrough. Now, I'm not trying to say I don't like DMT; I think all psychedelics experiences are just amazing and incomparable to each other. But what I'm getting at here is that I think tripping while still in reality is way better than being totally gone, like if the scale goes between totally sober and totally dissociated, I prefer somewhere in between to fully on either side. I personally feel that getting to walk around all your favorite spots and see them mutating and exploding into colors and fractals, seeing your friends' face covered in patterns and melting off, watching music fly out of instruments as they get played, etc., etc., is much cooler than getting bombarded with brain static and being totally immobile until it's over. I feel like the real world is just so amazing and mysterious, it seems like a much better use of my time when my brain's gone haywire to explore and see what kind of awesome things I'll experience than just lay in bed and totally ignore it. Anyone else feel this way? I just gotta ask, so many people I know are all about getting as far into it possible that I feel like they're missing the really great stuff about life and psychedelics.
 
Really it depends on the situation and how I'm feeling. Honestly I love being totally disociated at times and I have some crazy breakthroughs....it's like I'm in another world and nothing around me matters. Yet I also do love being in the middle, just teetering inbetween. I still know whats going on and can actually enjoy the people and things around me. Again it just comes down to how I'm feeling and what kind of night it is....just personal preference. Also just because you're dissociated though doesn't mean you are missing out on things....it's a whole different world but you still can understand things about life ect it's just not your average trip where you can just lay out and draw a picture. Trips aren't the same for everyone.. Different doses effect certain people in different ways. Hope I worded that right if I didn't oh well I think you get my drift.
 
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Ya I agree with you except for if I'm going out to the movies then being totally fucked is more fun. It is definitely nice to still be in the world and still feel that slightly dissociated feeling.
 
I've been using the less-is-more approach..... with 2C-T7, 2C-I, and 2C-E for months now, at threshold amounts... so that I can operate normally otherwise.
but if I sit and take a minute, everything looks more...... alive, vibrant and interesting.

it feels like being on an antidepressant along the lines of wellbutrin, with just a touch of mescaline for flavor.
=D
 
If you're already seeing 'everything' behind your eyes then why spend the effort to only go see 'something'

Anyways, yeah I agree its totally dose dependent. There's a certain point where your sensory input is so extreme that attempting to go anywhere far is downright confusing.
 
^But if you really think about it, less is in-fact is more of something else, and vise versa, more is just less of its opposite. ;)
 
More is more, especially when it comes to DMT. I get your point, but I think you're telling us that less is more enjoyable for you. If you're proposing that less is more profound, I would have to disagree. What is happening is that you are learning that life itself is more profound and enjoyable than you first realized, and that you are cherishing every detail more, which is one of the major benefits of DMT to begin with. But as for how much there is to internalize or enjoy, well...more is more up to the point where more is lethal, and here it might actually be, well...less;)
 
Regarding the psychedelic experience, I like the less is more approach. I feel like if you up the dosage on any chemical enough, the experience begins to get so intense that you don't really "get" anything out of the trip, you are simply enduring the intensity.

And while it can be fun to go balls deep sometimes, and go totally right off the deepend with a high dose, I just don't find high doses to be as productive as low and medium doses.

When I started tripping, I was all about taking high doses. After I had sampled a large-ish number of psychedelic drugs, and had navigated altered states of consciousness enough times, I started feeling like I would rather take a medium dose as oppose to a giant one, just to keep the peripheral side effects at bay, and so that I could focus more of what's going on in my mind, and focus less on what's going on with my body.

For example, I always used to do 20+ milligrams of 2C-E - I loved the intensity. But it's been a decent amount of time since I've used 2C-E now, and if I was to revisit it, I would be very happy to take it at like 13-14 mgs. At that level, I think I would notice the muscle tension less, I personally would probably not get any GI disturbances, but would still be able to enjoy the aesthetic and intellectual stimulation that 2C-E provides. And then when it is all over, I probably won't be as exhausted as if I took a 23 mg dose. Then the next day when I wake up, I can hopefully enjoy the psychedelic afterglow, instead of a psychedelic hangover.

So in a lot of way, less is more with psychedelics.

And especially with some, like 5-meo-DMT....less can really be more, when more can lead to comatose blackout and all kinds of other nastiness.

With ketamine though, possibly the most moreish psychedelic substance I have ever come across, less is not more, more is more !
 
Well, an interesting point to be sure is that I enjoy small doses more myself. So you might be on to something. But here again, its not always about enjoyment. So in that respect, I guess maybe one way to look at it is that both approaches are more, just more of different things.
 
^that being said....I still love a good ol' fashioned really strong candyflip with ample ketamine and ample nitrous. It just depends on the kind of experience I'm lookin' for...I find as I age though, I seek out the uberly intense psychedelic thrills less and less...or maybe i'm just not in an uberly psychedelic headspace right at the moment...
 
Large doses of powerful psychedelics like mushrooms or 2CE tend to be really confusing for me, it's more like a ride than anything. When I cut the doses back a little bit I can work with the material and actually get somewhere with focus. On the larger doses I have to wait until I come down a little until I can focus on anything.
 
small doses: Time for self-analysis without sensory overload.

large doses: Less or no time for traditional self-analysis. Only "time" to acclimate and accept what is happening to you(massive sensory overload) so you can enjoy the spiritual catharsis.

I tend to think large doses are more "productive" in so far as they can be the catalyst for a complete turn around in your sober life.
 
What I like about classical psychedelics, is how much you can influence the experience with your mind and with your sensory input (music, environment, etc). You can have a very profound experience with a minimal dosage if you choose to look inward/meditate or listen to the right music. This is what I tend to find lacking in other drugs. Sure, you can influence your experience with those too but not to the degree that you can with psychedelics. Of course, high doses are great too but they are not a necessity.
 
yeah, i've totally had way too intense of experiences for the situations that i was in while shrooming, but the other day, four of us went to the mountains and were hiking and two of us each only ate two or three caps wit stems. much better. having the babysitters was a GREAT connect to reality. they didn't even know we were under the influence. perfect time. it totally gave me peace of mind from my other experiences, which i was worried for a while might have changed me forever. now i know what to think of (and how to accept) my other rough times.
 
I believe that taking a low dose and going about your day as usual is very entertaining and therapeutic. I generally prefer it to a full-on staring-at-my-hands trip.
 
Usually the experience of a large dose of LSD is so intense that you won't get much out of it while it is happening due to sensory overload. A surge of therapeutic insight and positive afterglow comes post-trip.

With a lower dose, I am able to gain more insight while high.

In either case, doors will be opened that cannot be closed. I prefer lower doses because I believe myself to be giving the chemical more respect that way. And I don't even need to be tripping that often because my entire life has become a journey of accelerated personal growth as it is. Besides, lower doses are obviously easier on the mind. Don't want to be going crazy here.
 
krye- i have a hard time while smoking weed now as well. 1/4 was my largest dose as well, sounds like we had similar experiences. there are reasons that our sober state doesn't take us to those places. it protects from trauma and anxiety.
 
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