Anyone else think Heroin will be legalized one day?
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In my opinion, it was FAR better to have opiate addicts copping and abusing prescription painkillers, versus street heroin...this grew to a HUGE problem in alot of cities around the country, especially here in my state (KY), so the state dealt with this in the absolute 'dumbest' way they could...they simply created tough new laws for doctors offices, doctors themselves, pharmacies, etc, and these new painpill laws DID solve alot of the problems, closed down alot of the 'pill mill'/ pain mgt doctor offices...BUT, imo, it backfired in a major way, when all these addicts suddenly found it nearly impossible to get roxis, oxys, opana, etc, they simply all switched over to heroin, which suddenly became the easiest opiate to get, plus it was a cheaper bang for the buck than most pain pills, so the Govt just created a WHOLE LOT of heroin addicts, when initially they were just dealing with alot of prescription pain killer addicts/ abusers....this is turning out to cause much more problems now.
Even if all these pain pill laws were suddenly repealed now, all those addicts are now on Heroin and would not go back to a lesser drug anyway.
Im assuming the Govt thought that if they made it very tough to get prescription opiates, all the addicts would just stop using..LOL...Could they really be that stupid??!!
Ive always thought it was better to have people abusing prescription pain pills versus heroin because at least with pills, they know for a FACT, they are made in a controlled lab, and do not have anything extra in them, like street heroin does, and when buying and using street dope, you have NO CLUE what its been cut with, what kind of conditions it was produced in, etc. WHY would ANYONE think its better to have 100s of 1000s of heroin addicts versus having them all using at least pills made in a controlled, safe, clean lab, by major pharmaceutical companies??
Plus, the big thing, Im still not sure why the HUGE pharma companies did not fight these tough new pain pill laws more..?? It seems to me they would also prefer people using/ abusing their pills versus all those people using heroin instead? These new laws have likely put a major dent in their profits too!
I mean, if the Govt suddenly wanted to create a lot of tough new laws to curb alcohol use/abuse, I find it hard to believe all the big alcohol producers would just sit by and let it happen..Instead i think they would fight tooth and nail to prevent the laws from being passed, or at least fight to keep the laws from being as tough...but with the recent pain pill laws, I never heard anything about big pharma companies even disagreeing with them...?? did I miss something, or...??
Even if all these pain pill laws were suddenly repealed now, all those addicts are now on Heroin and would not go back to a lesser drug anyway.
Im assuming the Govt thought that if they made it very tough to get prescription opiates, all the addicts would just stop using..LOL...Could they really be that stupid??!!
Ive always thought it was better to have people abusing prescription pain pills versus heroin because at least with pills, they know for a FACT, they are made in a controlled lab, and do not have anything extra in them, like street heroin does, and when buying and using street dope, you have NO CLUE what its been cut with, what kind of conditions it was produced in, etc. WHY would ANYONE think its better to have 100s of 1000s of heroin addicts versus having them all using at least pills made in a controlled, safe, clean lab, by major pharmaceutical companies??
Plus, the big thing, Im still not sure why the HUGE pharma companies did not fight these tough new pain pill laws more..?? It seems to me they would also prefer people using/ abusing their pills versus all those people using heroin instead? These new laws have likely put a major dent in their profits too!
I mean, if the Govt suddenly wanted to create a lot of tough new laws to curb alcohol use/abuse, I find it hard to believe all the big alcohol producers would just sit by and let it happen..Instead i think they would fight tooth and nail to prevent the laws from being passed, or at least fight to keep the laws from being as tough...but with the recent pain pill laws, I never heard anything about big pharma companies even disagreeing with them...?? did I miss something, or...??
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I live in KY, but only about 9 miles from Cincinnati, OH...IM doing about the same, still managing to use close to every day, every other day when money is tight LOL
FadedTryptamine
Bluelighter
This is what I think to, spot on IMO
If you're on heroin maintenance, what stops one from using it to supplement illicit use? Say I get into the program only to assure myself that I'll never be sick, but continue to buy on the black market in order to get high whenever I want to. It also does nothing to stem the violence and crime associate with heroin distribution.
You are right, heroin maint. would probably not work, I think it would be best to just sell it in pharmacies, anyone over 21 could come in and buy it, but would be limited to a daily amount they could legally purchase...just like they do with ephedrine based cold meds now.
PLUS, and this is the key to stopping the violence and cartels, they would HAVE to lower the price per gram..to like $20. or less per g.
This could easily be done though, cuz if you look at heroin as a basic product, it SHOULD actually be very cheap, probably less than $10. per gram, as the big pharma companies already have HUGE fields of opium poppies for narcotics, and to put the cartels out of business and stop the violence, they would have to reduce the amount of money that could be made from it..lets face it, if an addict could go to a pharmacy and get a g for $15-$20 bucks (for pharma grade H), they would never go back to paying over $100 for shit that is cut to hell.
OK, legal Heroine in a pharmacy a g for 15 - 20. People would enjoy it without doubt. There tolerance will increase and increase. They may not be functioning anymore. Without a job, it can be hard to get like 30 -60 $ per day.
Even if the organised crime will be less, i therefore doubt drug related crime will be a lot less. People will still ruin their lifes. No matter, if its legal or not. The social problems related to drugs will always be there.
The only argument i see is: the money put into law enforcement can be put into social services (free mainteance etc.)
But on the other hand: Law enforcement gets big money, because people are scared and are willing to pay a lot to be "safe". People are generaly not so generous to pay for social matters.
Even if the organised crime will be less, i therefore doubt drug related crime will be a lot less. People will still ruin their lifes. No matter, if its legal or not. The social problems related to drugs will always be there.
The only argument i see is: the money put into law enforcement can be put into social services (free mainteance etc.)
But on the other hand: Law enforcement gets big money, because people are scared and are willing to pay a lot to be "safe". People are generaly not so generous to pay for social matters.
Parabolan
Bluelighter
I dont think so.. it would be if i were to decide...
Good points!
I guess even if a g sold legally for $5. people would just use and use until their tolerance was crazy high, then end up stealing or robbing to get their daily money.
Since addiction has pretty much been scientifically proven to be a real disease, I really dont understand why law enforcement is even involved with drug addiction...I mean, I dont see cops out looking for and/or harassing people with other diseases, I realize cops are involved cuz the 'fix' people use to help this disease is illegal to have or sell, but still, shouldnt the CDC really be the ones out trying to get this shit under control and not regular police?
This is incorrect. In Switzerland, where heroin maintenance is commonly used, it was found that users plateaued after 6 months or less, with an average dose of 500 mg per day.
I have doubts that this results can be transfered.
The participants weren't really able to consume as much as they wanted. No heroine was handed out to them for use at home. They had to use the heroine in the rooms of the clinic under strict supervision. So consumption was in fact limted by the opening times of the clinic and probably some social pressure by the clinic personal.
This strictly controlled and supervised study is in my eyes something different than a 24/7 drive through pharmacie were its availabel OTC.
The participants weren't really able to consume as much as they wanted. No heroine was handed out to them for use at home. They had to use the heroine in the rooms of the clinic under strict supervision. So consumption was in fact limted by the opening times of the clinic and probably some social pressure by the clinic personal.
This strictly controlled and supervised study is in my eyes something different than a 24/7 drive through pharmacie were its availabel OTC.
Oh I disagree...I used to do oxys every day, before making the jump to H, it was 15s and 30s, stopped wasting time even doing 5, 7.5s, 10s anymore, ultimately tho, I hated wasting money on 15s/ 30s cuz they would only last about 2 hours if you were lucky, and then the w/d sickness started to creep back...H Is SOOOO much better imo.
I know LEGALLY oxys and other opiates are legal, BUT if you dont have a script for them, or if a cop finds them in anything besides a pill bottle prescribed to YOU and YOU ONLY, a person will be arrested, thats not really legal imo...more like, legal ONLY in ONE particular circumstance.
I think ANYONE, should be able to go to any pharmacy and buy oxys, or other narcotics, with no script required. I mean, doesnt the DEA and lawmakers recognize if they make it nearly impossible to any doctor to write you a script for a strong painkiller, people WILL find other drugs that are easier to get?!! People are not just going to give up if they cant get a doctor to give them oxys, and say oh well, I tried...Hell no, they will be copping dope or pills on the street.
IMO, the only thing tough pill laws do is force more and more people to heroin. Ive always thought it would be best for an addict to use/abuse something that is at least made in a controlled lab by a big pharma company, where you know for a fact what you are getting versus forcing people to buy dope on the street that was made in some mexican warehouse, and cut with god knows what...this is just common sense to me, but I guess lawmakers dont see it this way.
As much as I'd love to have a cheap, infinite supply of heroin, I'm not sure making it available to all at bargain basement prices is the way to go.
I've read that use of a particular drug may be driven by price as heroin use seems to have increased along with the drop in price/increase in purity over the last couple decades.
With that in mind, would providing drugs at cheaper prices than what are currently being paid now mean the anti drug reform people are right in that it would lead to more users? It may be best to levy a "sin" tax that would keep prices near what they are now to discourage increased use.
Screaming_Skull
Bluelighter
No, not in my lifetime, in America anyway. I suppose it is legal in some countries with a prescription(is it still legal in the UK???) but America, hell no, I mean, look at weed and what a big deal people make outta that...