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Anyone else think Heroin will be legalized one day?

fizzymk

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I was another thread about popular drugs in high school and it got me thinking back to my days in HS, i remember the DARE program was big back then, and pot was viewed the same way people view heroin today, it was pure evil and back then, NO ONE would have thought in about 20 yrs time, pot would on the cusp on being legal in many areas...thats why Im kind of thinking the same thing will happen with heroin, its very popular now, and being used by ALOT of people, eventually I think heroin will be viewed like pot was, evil at first, but over time, people get used to it being around and then strides to make it legal begin to happen.

Anyone else agree?
 
Well yeah, but heroin would have to be legal to stop crime and decrease the mortality.
I believe that, different from weed, heroin will have a program to ensure harm reduction, like what is already in place in some countries.
A person is then treated with more decency but would only get that spot because they would have to show that everything else was worthless and did not work for them.
One may then, not have to handle badly with sanitary problems, a little like the needles exchange program plus pharmaceutical heroin.
For our health there is already a lot of legalized opiates to heal the worst pains imo.
 
Well yeah, but heroin would have to be legal to stop crime and decrease the mortality.
I believe that, different from weed, heroin will have a program to ensure harm reduction, like what is already in place in some countries.
A person is then treated with more decency but would only get that spot because they would have to show that everything else was worthless and did not work for them.
One may then, not have to handle badly with sanitary problems, a little like the needles exchange program plus pharmaceutical heroin.
For our health there is already a lot of legalized opiates to heal the worst pains imo.
I think it will reach this point eventually, I mean, there is SOOO much heroin out there now, its hard to believe our borders are secure at all...I really thought after 9-11 drugs would be harder to get into the US, but seems I was wrong, this also makes me wonder if the US Govt isnt somehow involved and making money.

It makes me mad when I hear people say heroin has NO medical use at all, how can they say this, it COULD be used as a painkiller, what do all these people think all their painkillers are made from?! LOL I dont think people know enough about H yet...there are too many negative stereotypes about it, but many people can use every day, still be able to drive a car, go to work, etc. its not like it completely zonks you out when you use it (if you use in moderation).

Eventually I think law enforcement will have to recognize their efforts to stop or even slow the drug trade down, have not worked at all, yet they continue to work it like business as usual..?? I guess they are just too dumb or blind to reality LOL

Hopefully once pot becomes legal in most places, and that works out well for a certain time frame, maybe heroin will be looked at in a different light...it would be in everyones benefit to regulate it...this would get rid of all the nasty shit that alot of dope is cut with, get rid of the cartel violence over this drug, decrease the crime rate drastically in every city that has legal dope...its all positives as far as I can tell.
 
I agree that it can be used for pain.
Ironically having so much h in and even so, you need a connection to get it.
With weed it´s completely different. Not only weed but many other drugs.
 
Prohibition of any kind is inherently self-defeating as it simply creates an opportunity for a black market to emerge henceforth, supply and demand.
I particularly like Heroin as an example because it is the most common drug people quote when asking "but you wouldn't legalise HEROIN surely?!".. well yes. The more dangerous and destructive something is the more important it should be to legalise it, by pushing something underground you simply make it harder to control. I have read (although I can't be 100% that it's fact) that approximately the same number of deaths occur each year in the UK from paracetamol overdoses as Heroin. Think about that for a second. If Heroin was supplied to the public with consistent levels of potency etc (as with all pharmaceuticals) how many accidental OD's would occur?
You only need to look at the Prohibition Era in the USA to see the damage criminalisation of substances can cause. Death by alcohol poisoning caused by bad quality moonshine skyrocketed and the gangster era dawned with guys like Al Capone etc carving their way into the history books.
There is light at the end of the tunnel however, we have started trial-running pharmaceutical heroin prescribing in a few places in the UK and it's proving successful, a heroin problem isn't a problem until there's no heroin! I don't have time to expand on this but I will soon if anyone's interested, holla!
 
Prohibition of any kind is inherently self-defeating as it simply creates an opportunity for a black market to emerge henceforth, supply and demand.
I particularly like Heroin as an example because it is the most common drug people quote when asking "but you wouldn't legalise HEROIN surely?!".. well yes. The more dangerous and destructive something is the more important it should be to legalise it, by pushing something underground you simply make it harder to control. I have read (although I can't be 100% that it's fact) that approximately the same number of deaths occur each year in the UK from paracetamol overdoses as Heroin. Think about that for a second. If Heroin was supplied to the public with consistent levels of potency etc (as with all pharmaceuticals) how many accidental OD's would occur?
You only need to look at the Prohibition Era in the USA to see the damage criminalisation of substances can cause. Death by alcohol poisoning caused by bad quality moonshine skyrocketed and the gangster era dawned with guys like Al Capone etc carving their way into the history books.
There is light at the end of the tunnel however, we have started trial-running pharmaceutical heroin prescribing in a few places in the UK and it's proving successful, a heroin problem isn't a problem until there's no heroin! I don't have time to expand on this but I will soon if anyone's interested, holla!
I completely agree...and if the time ever came when there was NO heroin to be had, or supply was seriously reduced, the US would have a HUGE problem, 1000s of addicts without access to their DOC all the sudden!!! Id assume addicts would be robbing pharmacies left and right, trying to get any kind of opiate they can!

I dont think that will ever happen though, too much money to be made for the supply chain to suffer.
 
No man that is never going to happen and should never happen. Weed and other psychedelics is one thing but heroin? I consider myself to be a pretty open minded person but legalizing heroin I mean you have to be kidding me. No thats not going to happen not in this lifetime not ever. Yeah people are fine when they got dope but when the dope is gone they become the shittiest people on earth. Fuck heroin
 
No man that is never going to happen and should never happen. Weed and other psychedelics is one thing but heroin? I consider myself to be a pretty open minded person but legalizing heroin I mean you have to be kidding me. No thats not going to happen not in this lifetime not ever. Yeah people are fine when they got dope but when the dope is gone they become the shittiest people on earth. Fuck heroin
People were saying the same shit about pot when i was in high school...look at where pot is now in this country.

Plus, heroin is not THAT MUCH stronger or different than, lets say Opana, the old oxys, etc.it all comes from the same plant after all.

Too many negative stereotypes about H out there.

Oh yea, and if it were legal, and could be obtained at any pharmacy by anyone over 21, people would not be out of dope, and it would be alot cheaper...as a product, heroin should be actually very very cheap, its the risk related to it being illegal that makes it more expensive than gold. LOL
 
Well yeah, but heroin would have to be legal to stop crime and decrease the mortality. I believe that, different from weed, heroin will have a program to ensure harm reduction, like what is already in place in some countries.
A person is then treated with more decency but would only get that spot because they would have to show that everything else was worthless and did not work for them.
One may then, not have to handle badly with sanitary problems, a little like the needles exchange program plus pharmaceutical heroin.
For our health there is already a lot of legalized opiates to heal the worst pains imo.
That's an interesting take on it. I tend to agree though
 
I hear you I guess I am just basing my opinions off of my own experiences. Ive been robbed by guys I considered my brothers at one time over this drug and seen the pain it can cause but a drug is a drug I suppose. I take benzos daily and am physically dependent so I am not trying to pass any judgements here.
Interesting idea with having it available at pharmacies, still being an addict it would never be enough to satisfy as we always want more. I dont know man something about H. I would probably feel a lot different about the subject if I dealt with chronic pain every day.
 
I hear you I guess I am just basing my opinions off of my own experiences. Ive been robbed by guys I considered my brothers at one time over this drug and seen the pain it can cause but a drug is a drug I suppose. I take benzos daily and am physically dependent so I am not trying to pass any judgements here.
Sorry to hear that...there is alot of violence related to H, but again, thats because its illegal, LOTS of money can be made from a small amount of it, and SOOO many peoples DOC...if it were suddenly legal and available OTC, I dont think there would be anymore violence due to it, it would put the cartels out of business too!
 
I dream of a day where all drugs are legalized. I take any opportunity I can to make the argument that even drugs like heroin should be legalized. The prohibition of heroin and all drugs does nothing to stem the use and abuse of these substances, but instead causes there to be huge problems like violent crime, stigmatization of users and spread of infectious diseases like Hepatitis and HIV.

The only way to rid the world of DTOs is to get rid of the income source, which are illicit drugs. Legitimize the manufacture of these drugs and regulate their sale and you have a much safer way of doing things.

My only issue with legalization is pricing. It could be argued that if prices for a particular drug were to drop that you might entice more people to use it. As much as I'd love an infinite and cheap source of heroin, I'm not sure that is the best way to go about things. Keeping the prices the same as they are now on the street via taxes might be the best way to do things. Although then you may not resolve the issues of people committing thefts and robberies to obtain the drug, but at least then you've eliminated most of the violent crime related to the sale of the drug.
 
I dream of a day where all drugs are legalized. I take any opportunity I can to make the argument that even drugs like heroin should be legalized. The prohibition of heroin and all drugs does nothing to stem the use and abuse of these substances, but instead causes there to be huge problems like violent crime, stigmatization of users and spread of infectious diseases like Hepatitis and HIV.

The only way to rid the world of DTOs is to get rid of the income source, which are illicit drugs. Legitimize the manufacture of these drugs and regulate their sale and you have a much safer way of doing things.

My only issue with legalization is pricing. It could be argued that if prices for a particular drug were to drop that you might entice more people to use it. As much as I'd love an infinite and cheap source of heroin, I'm not sure that is the best way to go about things. Keeping the prices the same as they are now on the street via taxes might be the best way to do things. Although then you may not resolve the issues of people committing thefts and robberies to obtain the drug, but at least then you've eliminated most of the violent crime related to the sale of the drug.
Well, keep in mind the US has ALOT of for profit prisons, they have to make sure as many cells are occupied as often as possible, so they have to create and aggressively enforce certain laws that they feel enough people will have problems abiding by..drug laws were right up their alley in this regard!

If you look at the history of drug laws, they were actually created and enacted to keep certain groups of people out of certain parts of town,namely the Chinese and their opium dens...but today drug laws are just out of control and I think only being enforced as aggessively as they are, to keep prison cells full to capacity and keep the money rolling in.

Same thing was done with traffic violations, they have to create and enforce certain types of laws they feel a large percentage of people will violate, and of course this equals alot of money coming in from the fines...in many states, cities, they RELY on this money for their budget...but funny thing is, the laws have not worked over the years, people still violate these traffic laws, so why would the Govt still keep the same exact laws in place if they have never resolved the actual problem...the literal definition of the word insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over but expect a different result.

But with drug laws, they are constantly changing and making new laws, why would they not do the same thing with traffic laws? and/or why would they constantly change and alter certain laws, but let others stay the same for decades when they arent effective???? LOL

IMO, the purpose of laws should be to solve problems, not to ensure money keeps rolling in...if traffic laws have not reduced the number of offenders over a certain number of years..well, its time to try something else, but those in power dont seem to see it that way, they prefer to keep the same uneffective laws in place SOLELY so the revenue stream doesnt stop...this is sooo fucking wrong!!

they are definitely not doing it for the health and safety of the public...if this were true, they would have laws against all tobacco, all alcohol, and many other substances...and even those have large "SIN" taxes on them...I just cant figure out why the Govt does not legalize and place sin taxes on these drugs...but Im assuming they are probably making more money off drugs being illegal.

I truly believe the US Govt is somehow involved in the drug trade, not sure how, but Id bet my paycheck they are making $$ off it (besides the for profit prison system too)...I mean, how else could literal TONS upon TONS of many kinds of illegal drugs make it into this country every single day of every single year? LOL

I think if we knew the truth about all this, our jaws would probably hit the floor!
 
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I dream of a day where all drugs are legalized.

Just picture all of civilization before the Harrison Tax Act of 1914.
Infact, in a week, it will be 100 years since the first federal anti-drug law in the US.

You used to be able to buy a syringe and your choice of cocaine or heroin right from the Sears catalog delievered to your door for under $2.
 
As much as I hope that the US will stop being so counterproductive and wasteful when it comes to their drug laws supposably enforced to "protect the people", I think the US will fall apart long before a a drug like heroin will even be up for vote to become legal. Yeah cannabis became legal in a few states, but that's only because it truely was an incredibly innocuous substance that should have never been so strictly enforced due to sickening propaganda to begin with. I just don't see states going against federal government laws to fend for the legality of heroin like they did for cannabis. Heroin is far more stigmatized than cannabis and definitely not on the same "level" as cannabis, lets be honest.

Heroin overdose kills, cannabis overdose typically causes paranoia and panic attacks at the most. It seems that once you start bringing needles, severe physical and mental dependence, as well as the behavior that comes with these issues into the equation... the public view seems to shift drastically. Trust me, I'm well aware that heroin isn't nearly as devastating to the body as alcohol, but let's face it, the chances of the US legalizing and openly regulating another substance with the safety profile of alcohol are disgustingly slim... alcohol just got lucky.

The good thing is the dumbass, jaded bible thumpers with too much power are dying out, leaving room for a new generation of politicians... so I hold hope that we'll start seeing some progress with our drug laws eventually, but were so buisy sticking our nose in everyones asshole and making enemies in complete opposition of the people, the one's who are supposed to hold the power, that I just don't see the US lasting too much long enough without either rebellion or nuclear war to see any major shifts in policy... call me crazy. For that reason, I won't be holding my breath on the possibility of a real substancd reform, nevertheless something like heroin slipping through the cracks. As for other countries, I'm sure there will be some who openly regulate and distribute pure psychoactives eventually... but this is likely gonna be somewhere like the Netherlands or a similar area governed by people with a brain in their heads.
 
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Just picture all of civilization before the Harrison Tax Act of 1914.
Infact, in a week, it will be 100 years since the first federal anti-drug law in the US.

You used to be able to buy a syringe and your choice of cocaine or heroin right from the Sears catalog delievered to your door for under $2.

What a Nirvana :\

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it kind of annoys me when blers have been so affected by anti-drug propaganda, that they swing too far (imo) to the pro-drug. which is often evident in DitM comments, just because we have been lied to, doesn't mean drugs need to be available to everyone who wants them, at any amount.

we don't need heroin available at the corner store, or meth.

i agree it should be available for people already addicted to hard opiates, in order to use for maintenance (in conjunction with counselling/option of legal ibogaine treatment)
 
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