Anyone else out there who doesn't react well to RC's?

[Vehe]

I don't get it. I got 2c-e, 2c-i and 4-aco-DMT. All of them looked like kid's toys compared to LSD or mushrooms.

2c-i was the first I tried. 20mg barely did anything. Some minor visuals, some body load and whole lot of boredom. Everything felt emotionless, cold... I just hated it.

2c-e was weird, just made me feel depressed at 40mg. Felt emotions but crappy ones. All too easy to control. No visuals, no nothing. Hearing music just gave me a headache or annoyed me (wasn't this one supposed to be very good with music?). 10 hours of my life wasted...

4-aco-dmt was the better of these three but still, 60mg barely did anything compared to real hallucinogens. Some hexagonal shaped OEV, some deep thoughts that I liked but the head was all too clear for a psychedelic. No power to change my mood or anything.
I felt all three substances had zero spiritual value unlike real psychedelics.

Seriously, some decent weed is better than the 2c- combined. 4-aco-DMT has potential but I will probably only use it if I haven't any real psychedelic around.

Also none of my friends really liked both 2C-x but reacted very well to the 4-aco-dmt, even at 15mg.

So, in conclusion, besides the tolerance issues, is any one out there who also find these RC's a whole lot of hype, specially the 2C-x? I'm not talking in terms of dosage because I have a natural tolerance. I'm talking about the type of effects compared to real Hallucinogens.


Oh, and yeah, all the RC were legit, probably from the same supplier that most people get them from.

 

[Feste]

I'm not a big fan of the 2cs. 2c-b is fun, but the rest have too many downsides. Part of the problem is that they just remind me of a really poor imitation of mescaline (which is my favourite of any drug).

The RC trypts like 4-aco-mipt & 4-ho-met are amazing, I'd pick them over mushrooms any time.

Things like DOM & HOT-7 are apparently every bit as good as LSD or mescaline for most people.

 

[any major dude]

People react differently to different chemicals. I know a number of people that haven't really gotten on well with 2c-x's, but I know more people who like them. And in as far as people not reacting well, usually, IME people get more effects than they were wanting, not less.

There are a number of possibilities. Impure product, tolerance issues (both natural & induced), set & setting, and expectation.

You mention you have a "natural" tolerance. How much of older, more established psych's do you have to take. Most people I know get a pretty rich +++ from 10-12mg 2c-e & ~15-16mg 4-AcO-DMT. Haven't taken, or known anyone who's taken 2c-i in the past couple years, but 20mg was more than most people really needed, IIRC. Also, how often do you take psychedelics? If you're taking them more than once every week or two they usually don't work very well. That goes for all 5-HT2a psychs (LSD, shrooms, mescaline, DMT,2c-x, 4-xx-xxT, etc)

 

[nearjat]

In addition to everything any major dude said, "research chemicals" is a really vague and IMO overused term. Nothing about these chemicals status legally would effect their ability to inebriate you.

I've got to say, I don't agree with these sentiments at all. 2C-E has blown my mind multiple times just as well as LSD, 4-Aco-DMT is a fantastic compound and just as "genuine" feeling as traditional psychedelics.

Nothing makes these PEAs and Tryptamines you're taking not "real psychedelics". They have pretty much the same mechanism of action as LSD, mushrooms etc. Maybe your mental prejudice is effecting your enjoyment? Maybe your product isn't pure?

 

[moe.ron]

I agree on some level. Of the 2c's I've tried (2c-i a bunch, up to 60 mg, 2c-b, 2c-e) they all seem like flat out toys compared to a high dose of mushies. I mean I think they're fun to take and would always prefer 2c's over nothing but even 60 mg of 2c-i was childs play. It was intense, dont get me wrong, but the visuals never really progressed into an eternal spiraling level of growing intensity, no ego loss, and really just made me want to go to a show, not to explore the intricacies of my mind.

I disagree about 4-ace-dmt it is an every way as a good a trip as psilocin or lsd. Even mild ego death is present. I think its maybe that I just really prefer tryptamines but I have yet to try mescaline, and 2ct's, high dose 2c-e, or really any of the stronger phenethylamines so im not giving up hope yet

 

[Vehe]

People react differently to different chemicals. I know a number of people that haven't really gotten on well with 2c-x's, but I know more people who like them. And in as far as people not reacting well, usually, IME people get more effects than they were wanting, not less.

There are a number of possibilities. Impure product, tolerance issues (both natural & induced), set & setting, and expectation.

You mention you have a "natural" tolerance. How much of older, more established psych's do you have to take. Most people I know get a pretty rich +++ from 10-12mg 2c-e & ~15-16mg 4-AcO-DMT. Haven't taken, or known anyone who's taken 2c-i in the past couple years, but 20mg was more than most people really needed, IIRC. Also, how often do you take psychedelics? If you're taking them more than once every week or two they usually don't work very well. That goes for all 5-HT2a psychs (LSD, shrooms, mescaline, DMT,2c-x, 4-xx-xxT, etc)

I haven't taken anything in the last two years.
As for natural tolerance I normally need 2 blotters of good Acid to feel it's wonderful effects. (doesn't give much visuals but puts me in that state where you feel you are one with the universe, where the sound comes alive and you can almost touch it,etc) One blotter with some good weed also puts me up there but in a weaker way. Anything less doesn't do much for me.
As for shrooms, I also need to take double of what other people take and it doesn't give much visuals but the sensation is of pure bliss.

The problem with these RC's is that they don't get me anywhere near what acid or shrooms get me, in strength or in type of effects. Nor anywhere near substances like mdma even though 2c-i and 4-aco-dmt supposedly are stimulants and release some seratonin. They didn't have the power to change my mood the slightest. :/

 

[Vehe]

I agree on some level. Of the 2c's I've tried (2c-i a bunch, up to 60 mg, 2c-b, 2c-e) they all seem like flat out toys compared to a high dose of mushies. I mean I think they're fun to take and would always prefer 2c's over nothing but even 60 mg of 2c-i was childs play. It was intense, dont get me wrong, but the visuals never really progressed into an eternal spiraling level of growing intensity, no ego loss, and really just made me want to go to a show, not to explore the intricacies of my mind.

I disagree about 4-ace-dmt it is an every way as a good a trip as psilocin or lsd. Even mild ego death is present. I think its maybe that I just really prefer tryptamines but I have yet to try mescaline, and 2ct's, high dose 2c-e, or really any of the stronger phenethylamines so im not giving up hope yet

Yes, that's about it about the 2c-x's. The 4-aco-dmt is different, like I said it has potential, it felt weak to me even at 60mg but yeah, my friends reacted really well to it even at 15mg so maybe it's just my body that isn't compatible with it. though luck.

 

[villian]

Saying you don't react well to RC's is such a broad statement.. it's like saying you don't react well to pharmacueticals..

So many different things fall under that name..

 

[nopipesdfw]

I have spent days lolling (EDIT: Literally dood) at fractals coming out of whatever on 2C-E, and 2C-I (for me)is bleeding trails that are hard to pinpoint forever!

I have just as much pride in the psychedelic agent that I am consuming whether it is on blotter, powder, or in a bottle of cough syrup. "Just RC's, nothing more" really isn't a state of mind that I have ever had with them and I have gotten much more out of combining "research chemicals" with nitrous oxide than I have from just about any single thing I can think of but DMT.

 

[Jesusgreen]

If you got no visuals from 40mg 2C-E then regardless of the supplier I'd question the legitimacy of that. I'm not a very visual person, but even 20mg 2C-E is very visual to me.

4-AcO-DMT converts into Psilocin, so it should offer an equally deep experience to shrooms, unless the substance is of low quality. 30mg 4-AcO-DMT has giant fractal dragons jumping out of the walls and CEVs so real I could mistake my closed eyes for being open.

Seriously I think you should question the supplier, even legitimate suppliers have had bad batches and sent out bad products before.

When you bought these, how long after purchasing them did you consume them? When had you last taken another psychedelic before taking any of them, and how long did you space between trips?

Edit: I must have missed the bit about a natural tolerance the first time, when taking LSD or mushrooms - how much do you take?

 

[Vehe]

If you got no visuals from 40mg 2C-E then regardless of the supplier I'd question the legitimacy of that. I'm not a very visual person, but even 20mg 2C-E is very visual to me.

4-AcO-DMT converts into Psilocin, so it should offer an equally deep experience to shrooms, unless the substance is of low quality. 30mg 4-AcO-DMT has giant fractal dragons jumping out of the walls and CEVs so real I could mistake my closed eyes for being open.

Seriously I think you should question the supplier, even legitimate suppliers have had bad batches and sent out bad products before.

When you bought these, how long after purchasing them did you consume them? When had you last taken another psychedelic before taking any of them, and how long did you space between trips?

Edit: I must have missed the bit about a natural tolerance the first time, when taking LSD or mushrooms - how much do you take?

2 blotters of good acid rarely give me any visuals (it might give some CEV if I really push hard to imagine something but that's it). High dose of Mushrooms gives me OEV only, normally spherical fractals right in front of me If i focus on them. I have almost 0 visual imagination but too much of other types of imagination and creativity and feel. That's why I love good psychedelics, because even though I don't see anything I'm in a total different dimension in terms of other senses and feelings.
That's probably what's lacking for me in these RC's, the other things besides visuals.

 

[campaigns]

If you got no visuals from 40mg 2C-E then regardless of the supplier I'd question the legitimacy of that. I'm not a very visual person, but even 20mg 2C-E is very visual to me.

It could be the quality or also just how your body reacts. One time a friend and I each ate 20mg of the exact same 2c-e. He felt basically nothing while I was having intense visuals and on the border of not being able to control a difficult trip.

 

[kobilica]

I also don't get many visuals on 2c-i and 2c-e, and I am the most sober person while tripping with others on same dose or me having highest dose of all persons and I am still on lower level that them...

 

[solistus]

I haven't taken anything in the last two years.
As for natural tolerance I normally need 2 blotters of good Acid to feel it's wonderful effects. (doesn't give much visuals but puts me in that state where you feel you are one with the universe, where the sound comes alive and you can almost touch it,etc) One blotter with some good weed also puts me up there but in a weaker way. Anything less doesn't do much for me.
As for shrooms, I also need to take double of what other people take and it doesn't give much visuals but the sensation is of pure bliss.

The problem with these RC's is that they don't get me anywhere near what acid or shrooms get me, in strength or in type of effects. Nor anywhere near substances like mdma even though 2c-i and 4-aco-dmt supposedly are stimulants and release some seratonin. They didn't have the power to change my mood the slightest. :/

If you haven't taken anything in 2 years, it's very likely that's what caused the differences. Peoples' responses to psychedelics change over time, usually to become less intense in my experience. Add to that the fact that your memories of past psychedelic experiences may be inaccurate (nobody's memory of altered states is very accurate, especially over long periods of time) and you have a pretty good explanation.

2C-I is known to be stimulating for most people. 4-aco-dmt is not. There's no solid evidence that either of them releases serotonin; that's pure conjecture based on how they feel to some people. I've never even heard the theory for 4-aco, which more people find sedating than stimulating.

It also sounds very much like you've convinced yourself RCs aren't "real drugs" and allowed that to cloud your experiences. Set and setting, my friend. If you take a psychedelic thinking "maybe this one will compare to acid but I bet it won't cuz it's just another RC," you're not exactly setting yourself up for the best possible experience.

Speaking from personal experience: the 2Cs are less intense in terms of mindfuck than tryptamines. They remind me of mescaline, but much more stimulating and a good bit more visual. 4-aco-dmt is one of the most intense psychedelics I've ever tried, and I would take it over mushrooms in pretty much any context. It's a bit more DMT-like and a lot smoother on the body, but no less powerful or 'deep' to me. I'm also a hardhead to psychedelics in general - I normally have to push LSD doses up to around 4-5+ tabs if I want things to get real crazy.


Did you try a lot of these doses in a short time? I've never even heard of someone taking 60mg of 4-aco without tripping insanely hard. The one time I took that much was one of the most intense trips of my life. If you're not giving yourself at least a week or so between doses, you're likely experiencing significant cross-tolerance which would help explain the lackluster effects.

Or, maybe you just happen not to respond well to these 3 specific drugs. IMHO I bet some of these other factors I mentioned played a role, but it's entirely possible that you just happen to be especially hard-headed to these ones. As others have pointed out, "RCs" are not one closely related group of drugs; it's just a term for drugs that are fairly new to human use. By all objective measures, LSD itself really ought to be considered an RC; it has only a couple years' longer widespread human use than 2C-B and the other early Shulgin creations. At any rate, the point is: even if you notice that the only 3 RCs you've tried all seem less impressive than LSD or shrooms, that doesn't tell you anything about how you'll react to other RCs.

 

[Vehe]

I also don't get many visuals on 2c-i and 2c-e, and I am the most sober person while tripping with others on same dose or me having highest dose of all persons and I am still on lower level that them...

hehe, tell me about it. I remember being in a party on two good hits of acid and have to babysit one of my friends who was on a bad trip from a small hit. =) Spent the entire night inside the car trying to calm him down. good ol' times

 

[Vehe]

If you haven't taken anything in 2 years, it's very likely that's what caused the differences. Peoples' responses to psychedelics change over time, usually to become less intense in my experience. Add to that the fact that your memories of past psychedelic experiences may be inaccurate (nobody's memory of altered states is very accurate, especially over long periods of time) and you have a pretty good explanation.

2C-I is known to be stimulating for most people. 4-aco-dmt is not. There's no solid evidence that either of them releases serotonin; that's pure conjecture based on how they feel to some people. I've never even heard the theory for 4-aco, which more people find sedating than stimulating.

It also sounds very much like you've convinced yourself RCs aren't "real drugs" and allowed that to cloud your experiences. Set and setting, my friend. If you take a psychedelic thinking "maybe this one will compare to acid but I bet it won't cuz it's just another RC," you're not exactly setting yourself up for the best possible experience.

Speaking from personal experience: the 2Cs are less intense in terms of mindfuck than tryptamines. They remind me of mescaline, but much more stimulating and a good bit more visual. 4-aco-dmt is one of the most intense psychedelics I've ever tried, and I would take it over mushrooms in pretty much any context. It's a bit more DMT-like and a lot smoother on the body, but no less powerful or 'deep' to me. I'm also a hardhead to psychedelics in general - I normally have to push LSD doses up to around 4-5+ tabs if I want things to get real crazy.


Did you try a lot of these doses in a short time? I've never even heard of someone taking 60mg of 4-aco without tripping insanely hard. The one time I took that much was one of the most intense trips of my life. If you're not giving yourself at least a week or so between doses, you're likely experiencing significant cross-tolerance which would help explain the lackluster effects.

Or, maybe you just happen not to respond well to these 3 specific drugs. IMHO I bet some of these other factors I mentioned played a role, but it's entirely possible that you just happen to be especially hard-headed to these ones. As others have pointed out, "RCs" are not one closely related group of drugs; it's just a term for drugs that are fairly new to human use. By all objective measures, LSD itself really ought to be considered an RC; it has only a couple years' longer widespread human use than 2C-B and the other early Shulgin creations. At any rate, the point is: even if you notice that the only 3 RCs you've tried all seem less impressive than LSD or shrooms, that doesn't tell you anything about how you'll react to other RCs.

Yeah mate, I get what you're saying but it was not a placebo effect. I was even afraid of it being to strong and lose control, specially the 2c-e. If anything when I'm in that same mindset the trip is even more powerful and out of control, but nothing, nowhere near ego loss or even mood change. Set and setting was probably the reason why I didn't like 4-aco-dmt that much. Some of my friends went to Boom festival this year with the same 4-aco-dmt and one of them had the time of his life. Cross tolerance couldn't have been because I took the 2nd dosage of 4-aco-dmt recently, two months after my first try. This time I mixed it with mdma and had a much better trip, but still the best part of it was the mdma which I hadn't taken in years also. The 4-aco-dmt provided me with some deep thoughts and minor visuals but nothing to right home about. Still, I know it has potential. I will try a bigger dose in a better occasion.

The 2c-x's on the other hand, I didn't like them at all, no set and setting can change how they felt to me. I didn't like one single thing about them, neither did I see any potential in them like I saw with the 4-aco-dmt. And my friends were the same opinion, none of them thought it was something to be remembered.

 

[alantis360]

I think some people react differently to certain chems. I seriously used to see this girl who could not trip off lsd. I mean i was tripping all the time back then like every week and she would never trip and id be tripping really hard. We finnaly gave up and she was like just dont waste anymore, cus I was for a while , I was like theres no way she cant ever trip from lsd. Shrooms would work for her, she never really tripped as hard as I would on them but they worked.

 

[nopipesdfw]

none of them thought it was something to be remembered.

Them maybe it wasn't.

 

[Jesusgreen]

2 blotters of good acid rarely give me any visuals (it might give some CEV if I really push hard to imagine something but that's it). High dose of Mushrooms gives me OEV only, normally spherical fractals right in front of me If i focus on them. I have almost 0 visual imagination but too much of other types of imagination and creativity and feel. That's why I love good psychedelics, because even though I don't see anything I'm in a total different dimension in terms of other senses and feelings.
That's probably what's lacking for me in these RC's, the other things besides visuals.

I can understand that with the 2cs if that's the case, as while they can be quite analytical, they're not all that introspective, but if the mental side of it is what you want then you should have been much happier with 4-AcO-DMT.

Mind if I ask if you're on or used to be on SSRIs or any other medication?

 

[pofacedhoe]

OP your attitude and expectations are why your trips were shit.

you get out of a trip what you put into it...

which in this case was nothing at all other than an attitude that these were not going to live up to your expectations.

personally i find 4aco-dmt to be more visual than mushrooms but less of a headfuck/emotional

2c's can be empty and boring