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Anyone else had a codeine addiction?

One of them being, guys munching 30 grams of paracetamol or ibuprofen is bad! But let's not talk about CWE which for OTC abuse would be number one HR method of not letting people destroy their livers or stomachs.

Yes let's try and help people get off the drugs, but to prevent talking about CWE, is like banning the talk of getting swap packs (needle kits)
 
Eveleivibe said:
Knock it's only one man organising the forum. He was a software programmer n had a codeine addiction. If you look on youtube there is an interview that he did with This Morning, a few years back now. For some reason codeinefree was not advertised then but another site called Overcount (ran by someone called Dave. Anyway BL has a lot of resources to handle some trouble posters but CF does not (I know we weren't comparing just using as an example). CF has had a LOT of trolls, reporters pretending to be addicts to find out mote to write articled that sort of thing. Mark is very protective of his members n keeping them safe so they request an ISP E-mail so that they know it is not someone making up several accounts. He is quite intelligent he was able to locate a troll who had been following me to many forums right down to IP n location n had him banned immediately.
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OK that makes sense. It's just I'm reluctant to give out my ISP e-mail willy nilly so that I give myself some privacy :D Catch 22. It's OK though, I was just wanting to have a look at this bupe chat, but I can't, I'm not going to worry about it.
 
wcote said:
One of them being, guys munching 30 grams of paracetamol or ibuprofen is bad! But let's not talk about CWE which for OTC abuse would be number one HR method of not letting people destroy their livers or stomachs.

Yes let's try and help people get off the drugs, but to prevent talking about CWE, is like banning the talk of getting swap packs (needle kits)
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Agreed. When it comes to OTC codeine and HR it basically comes down to either advising people to stick to recommended numbers of pills per day or CWE. Pure codeine is a bit different but with mixed pills I don't really see what else there is to say regarding HR. Oh, antihistamines at high dose but you couldn't take a high dose if using OTC pills without a CWE.

But I also have no intention of signing up to the place so I can't really talk about their HR quality or lack thereof.
 
I signed up years ago when facing a WD off codeine.

HR was pretty awful, as I have stated due to lack of CWE, hearing these awful stories of people going to hospital when they needn't go if they had known of CWE.

Some poor 20 quid going yellow cus his liver was fucked, was really depressing to see.

Saying hope you get better and advice and support of WD is all good and well, but the complete lack of CWE is a fucking outrage, and is bullshit HR. In fact I would go so far as to say it is a support website NOT a HR website,
 
I'm only going on hearsay but support rather than HR sounds about right to me too. Support is great but knowing that your members are eating OTC mixed codeine pills by the pack (or several) daily and not allowing anybody to mention CWE as a way to prevent liver failure and/or internal bleeding is just disgusting. Bordering on criminal in my book. My book ain't a law book though - just common decency to your fellow wo/man.
 
wcote said:
One of them being, guys munching 30 grams of paracetamol or ibuprofen is bad! But let's not talk about CWE which for OTC abuse would be number one HR method of not letting people destroy their livers or stomachs.

Yes let's try and help people get off the drugs, but to prevent talking about CWE, is like banning the talk of getting swap packs (needle kits)
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Wcote no one is stopping you talking about cold water extraction on this thread. I'm sorry if anyone has given you that impression. If you'd like to explain the method for anyone still in addiction to try n keep p safe you're more than welcome to do so. Hope you are doing ok anyway xxxx

Knock that's completely understandable. They don't have a bupe chat/thread per se it's just when members get put onto suboxone they talk about it - mostly in a that they have created <3

Shambles ace post that xxxx
 
I think wcote was addressing the guy who seemed to think that denying people access to information about CWE is a form of harm reduction.

He's not complaining about this thread.

Shambles made almost the exact same point, as it happens...
 
Shambles said:
I'm only going on hearsay but support rather than HR sounds about right to me too. Support is great but knowing that your members are eating OTC mixed codeine pills by the pack (or several) daily and not allowing anybody to mention CWE as a way to prevent liver failure and/or internal bleeding is just disgusting. Bordering on criminal in my book. My book ain't a law book though - just common decency to your fellow wo/man.
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Oh I agree with you exactly. I was banned for that reason. Told a member who was taking 30-50 tabs of 30/500 per day about cwe. Next thing I was banned n she refused to answer my E-mails. She already had liver damage n I spent nights awake worrying over her. That's what I love about Bluelight - the harm reduction aspect. Keeping people safe as possible when they're in addiction not sitting back n watching them slowly kill themself.

Awh I see knock n Sammy. Thanks for that n thanks for link, Knock x
 
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Well.. Looks like I got off lightly... As shambles warned.

First time opie wd. The symptoms were quite savage to begin with... But I highly vouch for this lope Imodium stuff. I took about 3mg of Xanax last night and slept through all the rls bullshit till 8am. Felt a bit fuzzy and strange.. At times I started feeling the cramps I just at a few immodiums and was ok again. Plus ive been smashing the vitamins ESP b6,3,2 and multi plus magnesium. Xanax without a doubt plus the Imodium probably saved the day. Past the 48 hr mark so I doubt it will get worse from here. Sanx for the help and love.

Ps.. My run with ice fucked me for many many years and still haunts me. So don't feel jealous that I got out easy this time, trust me inge had years and years of suicidal pain so I'm just happy o got out of this one without fucking my life up beyond repair.

Peace
 
How long after taking does it take for WD's to kick in when you are addicted, is it just waking up next morning and feeling like crap straight away?
 
Dark Side said:
How long after taking does it take for WD's to kick in when you are addicted, is it just waking up next morning and feeling like crap straight away?
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Depends entirely on the half-life of your opiate of choice.
When I had a codeine addiction, I'd feel WD in about 12 hours after my last dose.
Morphine: I had about 18-24 hours before I felt WD kick in.
Poppy Tea: 2 days minimum until I felt WD, which is great, but the duration is just so incredibly long I couldn't take it: my longest being 13 days of WD, 10 of them being your typical, hardcore, full-on WD.
 
only said:
Well.. Looks like I got off lightly...
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Don't knock it - enjoy it. The first w/d is often so relatively easy it sets you up to think it'll always be that way. I'm sure you've picked up by now that it absolutely isn't. Be grateful it was "only" codeine (please don't take that the wrong way peeps - y'all know what I mean like in comparison with methadone or summat) cos it is at least brief. I find codeine w/d is especially hard on the gut (much worse than heroin w/d, for example) so I bet the loperamide did help. Each opi has a different withdrawal - some opies are especially hard on the gut, some on the aches and pains, some on the psychological and so on. Codeine is certainly not pleasant when you've gone through several cycles of it so please don't think that's as bad as it gets with codeine cos it ain't.

Overall, I'd count that as a win though. You got off pretty lightly and hopefully learnt a thing or two about how damnably sneaky opies are. It's so very easy to slip into daily use cos it just doesn't feel like it's causing any problems. If you do choose to experiment further with opies (obviously better you (and all of us) don't but what's best and what happens ain't always the same thing) then please try to bear that in mind. Leaving decent gaps between uses makes a big difference. It doesn't guarantee you won't end up addicted and withdrawing but it does at least provide a buffer zone where you have to actively choose to fill in the gaps.

All that aside, glad you got through it easier than expected :)<3

Dark Side said:
How long after taking does it take for WD's to kick in when you are addicted, is it just waking up next morning and feeling like crap straight away?
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Varies from person to person. Metabolism plays a big role in codeine usage so there is no simple answer. For me, 24h usually but it depends on what my doses are. Anything from 12-36h for me.
 
Shammy: do you have some kind of timetable for WD onset? Not in a clinical kind of way, but I've only consumed few opies (Tram, Oxy, Hydrocodone, Morphine, Codeine, OxyM and smack very, very briefly) and been addicted to only Codeine, Morphine, PST and Tramadol so my list is rather lacking...

EDIT: I suppose my Oxy use counts as an addiction, sort of: I had WD but I was using various opiates at the time so I don't really know?
 
only said:
Well.. Looks like I got off lightly... As shambles warned.

First time opie wd. The symptoms were quite savage to begin with... But I highly vouch for this lope Imodium stuff. I took about 3mg of Xanax last night and slept through all the rls bullshit till 8am. Felt a bit fuzzy and strange.. At times I started feeling the cramps I just at a few immodiums and was ok again. Plus ive been smashing the vitamins ESP b6,3,2 and multi plus magnesium. Xanax without a doubt plus the Imodium probably saved the day. Past the 48 hr mark so I doubt it will get worse from here. Sanx for the help and love.

Ps.. My run with ice fucked me for many many years and still haunts me. So don't feel jealous that I got out easy this time, trust me inge had years and years of suicidal pain so I'm just happy o got out of this one without fucking my life up beyond repair.

Peace
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Ice????

Not to discourage you but the first day is often easy (for most people). However Shambles is right - if it's your first withdrawal it's easier. For some reason they are worst each time you detox. Sounds like your smart by getting the confort meds n vitamins. Please be care with xanax that stuff is highly addictive n it can be extremely difficult to
Get off. Use it with respect n no longer than a week. (Of course , that's a suggestion as we can only advise you not tell you what to do).

I hope you are proud of yourself this is day 1. Well done n keep going.

Evey xxxx
 
I'd go with 12-36 hours.

Myself I'm a very fast to WD, even with codeine I wake up not feeling great.

With gear every morning my legs would ache.
 
It also depends on what time you dose during the day: I've always been a morning doser by preference so given the short duration of codeine, I could guarantee waking up in WD.
 
Sanx shambles... You have been a right savior. Fuck man if bluelight didn't exist so many people would be soooo fucked.

Like I said I got out easy but I def got a taste. I can imagine a little how bad that would be amplified. Much empathy for people going through worse (maybe empathy is insulting but I at least now know on the smallest scale, more than most)

Once I'm back to baseline.. Is it ok to take codeine say once or twice a week or once or twice a month? I know all about slippery slopes.. Maybe it's a stupid question. But fortunately I dont crave it like I would coke or ice. And I don't do those all that much, like ice has been 6 months amd coke is so expensive it's almost pointless.

My q is is it possible to enjoy codeine now and then if, like me, it's not a super cravy drug?

Like you said shambles, and I know it, after some time it's not that hard to up the anti. Hmm. Anyway.. Thanks again for support and advice through a bit of a scare for me.

Much love
 
I would never dose a opiate once a day. Not even bupe. And know plenty of folk who needed methadone dose split twice daily.

Couldn't imagine only dosing codeine in the morning,
 
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