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Anyone else had a codeine addiction?

Please don't take this the wrong way but do you have any figures or anything else to support that? It's just that I've been in and around opiates/opioids and the assorted medical responses to them my whole adult life (20 years since I first spoke to my GP about it) and have never seen or heard anything like that. Quite the opposite. I'm not for one moment trying to diminish or belittle your struggle with addiction - nor anybody else's - cos I know addiction and it doesn't care what you're addicted to as long as you are addicted. It's just that using bupe to deal with a codeine addiction really is using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. It seems to me that yourself and your friend are actually the exceptions not the rule and I wouldn't really want people to get the idea that this is standard practice when it's not - and it isn't as far as I can tell and I suspect I would have heard of at least one other person over the years I've been in treatment. I haven't though and nobody else seems to either which is probably why you've gotten some grief over in the Suboxone forum - it's just that it really does seem like a very strange decision purely as there seems to be no precedent for it.

Once again. I am not saying anything about your addiction and the troubles it has caused you. Addiction is addiction and each case needs to be taken on its own merits - one size does not fit all. But it would be nice if you could point me (and any others with an interest) in the direction of something to back up the claim that Suboxone is being used to treat "a lot of codeine addicts" rather than just a handful of exceptional cases. My main concern would be that perhaps a lurker with a codeine problem doesn't want to go to their doctor so buys themselves some Suboxone off the net and ODs as there is such a vast difference in potency. You seem to be getting on well with it and if it's helping you that's great, but bupe is a strong opioid and I don't think people should get the idea that it is standard practice to use it for codeine aedictions.

Intensely insulting post from start to finish. Reported. 8(

(If you google this shit you get the impression this is common in the States...as all the web pages are American. But you probably know this. Now get back on the naughty step with Dan)
 
It's fine to post links to other forums as long as there are no sources for drugs mentioned on them.

I did try to make it very clear to you that I was no way trying to belittle you but if you somehow managed to make that into that I was then I don't really know what else I can do to reassure you. As far as I am aware, nobody in EADD is, or has - or would even think of - belittling anybody for any addiction to any substance. I really don't know how much clearer I can be about that.

I asked if you had anything to back up the claim as it is quite a big claim and one that is slightly worrisome from a HR perspective as I explained. But as I already explained it - and did try to make the reasons as clear as I could - I guess there's nothing more to say about it right now. I'll speak to my key worker and prescribing consultant when I see them in the next week or so. It's entirely possible I have simply never come across it before but as so many addicts also seem to be unaware that "lots of codeine addicts" are being prescribed Suboxone I must admit to a certain scepticism. Not because I think you are lying - simply because it can be easy to think what treatment was given to you is common to everybody. It's not an accusation of anything it's just asking for more information if you have it because it seems unusual is all. If I find out that it is common practice then I'll obviously bring it up here and correct myself. I'm sure you would do the same :)
 
I personally would rather see codeine addicts on suboxone than getting liver failure with paracetamol or kidney failure from iboprofen.

So would I but that's not the issue. The issue is whether it is common practice in the UK or far less common. The other issue is the one I mention about people perhaps trying to medicate a codeine addiction with bupe bought off the internet. I'm sure you can see the potential risks there too. Perhaps a person addicted to codeine turns up your post with a Google search, sees that Suboxone is commonly used, orders some from any of a number of places, notices that they only come in doses of up to 8mg but they usually take 600mg of codeine so think they'd probably best take a few. Not everybody does much research on what they take so it's good to try to be as accurate as possible with information because people can get the wrong idea very easily.

Oh, and in relation to me being prescribed Subutex when I was previously taking codeine that is true. But I also explained that I have two decades of addiction to assorted opiates and opiods behind me too so the situation is somewhat different.
 
Hi evey still got bad rls and insomnia but hanging in there cant beleive i have getting to day 10 without evan 1 codeine. Hardest thing ive ever had to do. I hope the rls gets better soon :-( i enjoy chatting on here wouldnt of been able to do it if it wasnt for all of you lot. Im on nightshift in a couple of hours dreading it as my energy levels are zero. But it does keep my mind of it a little. I just cant wait to feel normal again :-) how are you doing evey? Only, well done for going ct thats amazing. Youve done the right thing stocking up on vitamins ect. I would get some nice bubble bath as for the first week i had about 3 baths a day for 2 hours at a time. Also highlands rls tablets can Take the edge off not much but anything helps. Please keep writing and let us know how you are doing :-) jade xxx
 
Well done only - it may not be hell for you n I hope that that is the case. We are here to support you through it.

Shambles No Idon't but I'm sure you'd be here sooner or later to try n belittle me, Shambles. I know a forum of where quite a few people were on suboxone after codeine or DHC. Why do you always come along and try to make people feel small? I've had enough of that another member who shall remain name. Also you made out YOURSELF you were on suboxone after codeine. You put that yourself without editing so kindly don't go on at me about figures to make me look an idiot. I've not had time with having to complete a 4,000 world assignment on childhood obesity.

I personally would rather see codeine addicts on suboxone than getting liver failure with paracetamol or kidney failure from iboprofen. I will not name the forum where codeine addicts are given suboxone as I think it's agains the rules to do so but if it's ok with moderators I'll give the name in PM if people wish to know.

Evey please do give the name of the forum, there is no rule against that, as long it's not a drug sourcing site.

I really don't think Shambles was trying to belittle you, if I made a statement that went against your experience and you asked me to back it up, I wouldn't have any problem with that :)
 
Im sorry im being harrassed n feeling a bit snappy. Can't say no more on here.

The name is http://www.codeinefree.me.uk it 's a forum for people suffering from codeine/DHC addiction. Posts cannot be seen through Google. It's very supportive place with a pharmacist is gives adice n was introduced by a codeine addict called Mark. Highly recommend for people with codeine addiction. I hope I don't get in trouble for that xxxx
 
Posts can be seen through Google, just did a quick search.

Is this the same codeinefreeme that bans talking of CWE? Sounds like a great HR environment. :|
 
Yes it is. But I'm not going to put the negatives here. After all the person who created the site was an addict him n probably does not want to get into trouble. There's a pharmacist n maybe talking about cold water extraction may be against her code of conduct. It has helped many people n its way n different sites have different approaches to things.

Codeinefree is not a harm reduction site as is bluelight. It's a support site n many people who feel isolated go there for advice n confort n that's what matters - that as many people are helped as possible xxxx

Hmmm ok the secret will remain a secret, I'm not signing up to that.

Lol
 
Posts can be seen through Google, just did a quick search.

As far as I can see, the main part of the forum is only accessible to logged-in members. The Google results come from the non-secured forum areas like News and Information. The main content would seem to be in the Support Forum, that's where the majority of the posts are. AFAICS! IMBW. IDIT.*


:D Just to be clear I'm not saying it's not a useful resource. I have absolutely no idea, because it won't let me register =D They say they refuse accounts using gmail and postmaster.co.uk email addresses "due to abuse". I don't know what problem they've had, but it seems odd to ban gmail accounts. Loads of people have gmail accounts. I've never heard of postmaster.co.uk. At a guess, because it's easy to get gmail accounts, "trolls might use them" or something? Anyway, I am not giving them my main personal email address, because I try to keep that separate for anti-spam and privacy reasons. I happen to have another three email addresses (mail.com, live.com and safemail) and they wouldn't accept them either :!

So even though I said I wouldn't (mainly because of that giffgaff advert, but also I'm not a fan of things like "medals"), I did try, but they won't let me in =D



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AFAICS = as far as I can see
IMBW = I may be wrong
IDIT = I doubt it though ;)
 
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Knock it's only one man organising the forum. He was a software programmer n had a codeine addiction. If you look on youtube there is an interview that he did with This Morning, a few years back now. For some reason codeinefree was not advertised then but another site called Overcount (ran by someone called Dave. Anyway BL has a lot of resources to handle some trouble posters but CF does not (I know we weren't comparing just using as an example). CF has had a LOT of trolls, reporters pretending to be addicts to find out mote to write articled that sort of thing. Mark is very protective of his members n keeping them safe so they request an ISP E-mail so that they know it is not someone making up several accounts. He is quite intelligent he was able to locate a troll who had been following me to many forums right down to IP n location n had him banned immediately.

Also a lot of posters there tend to have mental health issues n are quite vulnerable so I can understand. It really is nothing personal to gmail accounts it's more of trying to ascertain that people are the right people n to keep people safe. It's been around now since 2005 so I say fair play to them.

Jade sorry that you're feeling shitty. Can I ask in what way? Is it to do with withdrawals or just genuine? You may have some psychological withdrawal such as low mood, cravings etc. i didn't want to mention it during the acute phase encase it brought some placebo affects ( sometimes when a person is told they will feel low mood they will look out for that much that they convince them self that, that is how they are feeling). So I didn 't want you having to experience anymore s*** than you need to. If you are feeling down it will pass.

Can you watch some comody? It may be the last thing you feel like doing but laughing releases endorphins n that's what you need back (your endorphins have gone on holiday). So laughing, exercise, favourite food like chocolate. Anyone got any other ideas??? Unless you're already taking them please don't fall into the trap of thinking you need antidepressants. Of course I am not trying to tell you what to do it's just that so often people do n SSRIs are serotonin. Depression is just because the brain needs to heal n get those 'feel good' hormones back. I wish I'd listened to that peice of advice - I have been on citralopran around 18 months now.

Anyway sorry for hhow you're feeling. Have you been to our Gibberings thread ? There's usually a good laugh in there which may help you n good for you to get to know the rest of us. Take care.

Only - how are you feeling? Where are you with things? Did I read somewhere that you had decided to jump ? Are you sticking with that or tapering? Thinking of you n we 're here if you need us, ok?!!!

Evey xxxx
 
Intensely insulting post from start to finish. Reported. 8(

(If you google this shit you get the impression this is common in the States...as all the web pages are American. But you probably know this. Now get back on the naughty step with Dan)

Hahaha they're off the naughty step now :)
Love you way you can have a laugh over stuff here (knock sorry for double post can you merge it pls) ;)
 
Yeah, it's perfectly safe. There's definitely no ceiling dose with DHC, and the histamine release is nothing like that of codeine. I used to CWE 20 of my mothers 30/500 co-dydramol when I was a complete opioid noob.

Depending on your current opiate tolerance, however, it may not be worth it at all really. It's better than codeine, though that ain't saying much at all, is it?
 
Jade sorry that you're feeling shitty. Can I ask in what way? Is it to do with withdrawals or just genuine? You may have some psychological withdrawal such as low mood, cravings etc. i didn't want to mention it during the acute phase encase it brought some placebo affects ( sometimes when a person is told they will feel low mood they will look out for that much that they convince them self that, that is how they are feeling). So I didn 't want you having to experience anymore s*** than you need to. If you are feeling down it will pass.

I was going to post something quite similar. After eleven days without taking any codeine you shouldn't really be getting any physical withdrawal symptoms, Jade. The physical stage of codeine withdrawal usually lasts 3-5 days, maybe another day or two in extreme cases. Insomnia may last longer and moods and emotions can also take a while to readjust, psychological stuff like cravings can also linger longer, but the physical aspect doesn't. It might be worth seeing a GP just to see if you've maybe got a touch of the flu or something like that which just happens to have coincided with your withdrawal.

If it's more the mental and emotional side of things that's bothering you then rest assured that will pass in time. How much time I couldn't say as it varies but it shouldn't be too long - hang in there and stick with the warm baths and bananas and the like and it will improve. You tend to hear a lot more about the physical aspects of withdrawal but those are relatively brief. The half-life of codeine is only three hours so it's out the body quick even if you take very high doses and the body recovers pretty quickly from it. The psychological aspects tend to be the ones that get people down because at times it can seem like it will never end. It absolutely does end and every day you go without taking codeine (or any other opioids) is a day closer to feeling better.

It's usually when you look back and compare how you feel to how you felt a week before that you can see that actually you are making good progress and it's not as bad as it was back then you notice the improvements. You may not feel great today but I bet you felt a lot worse this time last week. A week from now you'll look back and see how much better you feel then than you do now. It can be really hard to notice the changes at the time but they are taking place - body, mind and soul are healing themselves. Just gotta hang on in there and let it do its thing.

Stick with it - doing great so far :)<3

Oh, and I also second the notion of doing fun stuff. Whatever it is that you like doing, do it. Exercise is often highly recommended as it releases lotsa nice brain chems as well as the more obvious benefits (not that I'd know from experience of course :o). Laughing I do know about though cos I do a lot of that even just sat around by myself (I mean from watching comedy or something not literally just sat laughing at nothing as that would be a bit odd even for me :o). Oh, and I can confirm chocolate tends to lift the spirits too (also goes some way to explaining my *ahem* cuddliness :o).

SSRIs are serotonin.

They're not actually serotonin but they do affect serotonin levels. Basically they recycle the existing serotonin allowing it to build up in the brain rather than being used so quickly.

(apologies to chemistry bods far mangling that explanation)
 
who was it taking heroic doses of codeine, snolly? whats the most dhc you can take at once. did 300mg recently without so much as an itchy eyelid. is it even safe to be ingesting a grams worth of 30's in one go

Maybe so, but then again i have done 500 mg doses before where i have been fine with no anti histamine, one time after 4 day break i had a shit reaction. Hand started to swell and i was itching so bad i sweared to never do codeine without hayfever tabs again.

edit- It dont matter with DHC i never get itchy on it
 
CodeineFree DOES advocate harm reduction. Just not CWE or promotion of drug use. There are many methods of HR.
 
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