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Lysergamides Anybody else think that LSA just plain sucks?

Does LSA just plain suck?

  • Yes

    Votes: 123 28.2%

  • No

    Votes: 199 45.6%

  • No Opinion

    Votes: 114 26.1%
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    436
I'd recommend you space your HBW trips as far apart as possible. Like, ideally wait at least a month before tripping again. Ideally only visit HBW a few times a year. I wish I'd known when I plunged into HBW back at the beginning of 07 that my tolerance would build so damn fast and then never fully go down. At the beginning 10-15 seeds was a GREAT trip and felt quite profound and fresh and inspiring. But then in late 07 I'd worked up to needing 20-25 HBW seeds to feel much of anything.

Towards the end of my period of overusing (and not treating with the proper respect) HBW the effects of 25 seeds were weak as hell and unless I used a bunch of potentiators I sometimes barely got beyond a threshhold trip. I've drastically cut back on how much I use HBW ever since last Spring, but despite how much I cut back I still have this lingering extreme tolerance which I sure hope eventually fades.

Anyone tried using Syrian Rue/Caapi lately to potentiate LSA?
 
The Wizard said:
Anyone tried using Syrian Rue/Caapi lately to potentiate LSA?
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I have. 1.5 grams of syrian rue with 15 HBW seeds. It definitely potentiated the trip in some way, but it also worsened the side effects. I threw up pretty badly.
 
The Wizard said:
I'd recommend you space your HBW trips as far apart as possible. Like, ideally wait at least a month before tripping again. Ideally only visit HBW a few times a year. I wish I'd known when I plunged into HBW back at the beginning of 07 that my tolerance would build so damn fast and then never fully go down. At the beginning 10-15 seeds was a GREAT trip and felt quite profound and fresh and inspiring. But then in late 07 I'd worked up to needing 20-25 HBW seeds to feel much of anything.

Towards the end of my period of overusing (and not treating with the proper respect) HBW the effects of 25 seeds were weak as hell and unless I used a bunch of potentiators I sometimes barely got beyond a threshhold trip. I've drastically cut back on how much I use HBW ever since last Spring, but despite how much I cut back I still have this lingering extreme tolerance which I sure hope eventually fades.

Anyone tried using Syrian Rue/Caapi lately to potentiate LSA?
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I'm really starting to enjoy this stuff but I don't think I'll be using it that often. Maybe once or twice a month. Taking opiates with it makes you feel like you're floating on a cloud, I've got quite strong seeds. I forgot to take my blood pressure pills and my bp spiked to 190/110 last night... It's been worse. I'm definitely going to be very diligent in taking my bp meds and monitoring my it when taking these things.

I can't wait for the weekend, it took a some willpower not to take another 6 seeds last night. I'll do 8 first and then maybe 4 later depending on how I feel with an extra 4mg of Prexum (I can increase the dose if I find my bp is too high, doctors advice).
 
Yeah, the synergy between opiate-like drugs and HBW is def. pretty heavenly. I've combined Bali Kratom with HBW numerous times and always loved that combo. Eventually I'd like to try Thai or Malaysian Kratom with HBW instead for hopefully a more energetic feeling. I've also noticed Hydrocodone to go great with HBW.

Yeah, the Syrian Rue/HBW combo can indeed be EXTREMELY nauseating sometimes. It's worth it though because the Rue magnifies the visuals, euphoria and duration of the HBW a LOT. 1.5 grams of Syrian Rue isn't much to use as a potentiator. I'd use like 3-4 grams of Rue. Grind the Rue up and put it in capsules and swallow the caps on an empty stomach an hour before you swallow your HBW. An alternative would be for one to either make their own Rue extract to ingest or buy the Syrian Rue extracts sold online. Anyone know id the premade Rue extracts sold online are any good?

I was wondering if anyone has tried the combo of HBW and DXM. Now THAT'S a euphoric spacey feeling with amazing closed eye visuals... I usually don't take the DXM till I'm on the comedown from the HBW and then it brings me to a new, different peak. I've found that taking DXM the day after a HBW trip can actually bring back HBW's effects pretty strongly. You know how smoking MJ the day after a psychedelic is stronger than usual and slightly brings back the trip's feelings well DXM is along the same lines when taken the day after a trip but it doesn't just slightly bring back the trip feelings, it STRONGLY does... So I consider robotripping the day after HBW to give me a second milder but still fun free Woodrose trip.
 
The Wizard said:
Yeah, the Syrian Rue/HBW combo can indeed be EXTREMELY nauseating sometimes. It's worth it though because the Rue magnifies the visuals, euphoria and duration of the HBW a LOT. 1.5 grams of Syrian Rue isn't much to use as a potentiator. I'd use like 3-4 grams of Rue. Grind the Rue up and put it in capsules and swallow the caps on an empty stomach an hour before you swallow your HBW. An alternative would be for one to either make their own Rue extract to ingest or buy the Syrian Rue extracts sold online. Anyone know id the premade Rue extracts sold online are any good?
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3-4 grams of the syrian rue I got would inebriate me by itself (yes, I've tried that). But the general consensus seems to be 3-4 grams. Try it out - maybe your material is super potent too.
 
The Wizard said:
I was wondering if anyone has tried the combo of HBW and DXM. Now THAT'S a euphoric spacey feeling with amazing closed eye visuals... I usually don't take the DXM till I'm on the comedown from the HBW and then it brings me to a new, different peak. I've found that taking DXM the day after a HBW trip can actually bring back HBW's effects pretty strongly. You know how smoking MJ the day after a psychedelic is stronger than usual and slightly brings back the trip's feelings well DXM is along the same lines when taken the day after a trip but it doesn't just slightly bring back the trip feelings, it STRONGLY does... So I consider robotripping the day after HBW to give me a second milder but still fun free Woodrose trip.
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I've only tried DXM with mediocre quality seeds but it was still good, that was a couple of years ago. Now that I've got some goods seeds definitely keen to try that again. I used to time them so they would both be peaking at the same time, but you've had more luck with DXM towards the end?

With a couple of valiums and mj in the mix I had a good experience at the end of what would have been a rather painful speed comedown, only 4 seeds but it was enough to lift my mood and with the mj there were a lot of visuals.
 
Well I would try taking the DXM earlier in the HBW trip but so often the first half of the trip im nauseous as hell till I either let myself puke or make myself puke. So I've always waited till the nausea long passed before touching the DXM. And I'd recommend you use the Zicam form of DXM rather than syrup or gels since it's so much gentler on the stomach.

How are your HBW comedowns so unpleasant sometimes? I've always found that HBW has one of of the gentlest most gradual comedowns of any psychedelic. I really enjoy the reflective period at the end of a HBW trip where I can go over what I've learned and what it means to me. IF you get insomnia from the HBW comedown try some Melatonin or beer for that. I really enjoy drinking 3-6 beers at the tail end of a HBW trip.
 
morning glory seeds made me puke ballz last time i ate 7 packs. then after that i was left with a stomach ache for the whole time. i did trip but this was like years ago so i dont remember too well what it was like. i can't imagine taking DXM with it, the nausea would be too much
 
I don't find LSA very satisifying on its lonesome (except for a few radical experiences). On most doses, it's not a trip, just a high, unless I throw in some weed or DXM and prolly other combinations I can't remember.

I stacked the peaks of LSA and DXM pretty well.. Was kinda intense, but I wouldn't do it again because you lose awareness of your body on DXM, and I worry that I'll starve a limb or something due to not flexing the limb to get through the vasoconsctriction. But DXM gives me no nauseau at all normally (and sometimes even helps).

Overall, I would say that the LSA experience sucks... I don't offer the seeds to anyone else. If it wasn't for my diehard sense of adventure and curiousity, it wouldn't be worth it to me.

Now, the first three trips were amazing and worth it, but as a regular trip, I can't really back up LSA. Too much nausea, barfing, cramping...

Wizard, I think your physiology is somewhat unique, although I have began on several of the nootropics you have mentioned before and they really help with comedown/recovery. Maybe if I throw in the herbs, too, I can have totally positive LSA trips.
 
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You say HBW usually sucks for you and is weak but have you considered perhaps you just haven't found the right variety of HBW for your brain chemistry? I'm really glad that last year I tried HBW from so many different vendors as it showed me what a wide range of effects HBW can have depending on the variety consumed.

It's interesting that you've written off HBW as not having much psychedelic potential already when how many vendors you tried seeds from so far? I bet not many. Also, what's the highest dose of seeds you've tried?

I'd like to find alternatives to the Hawaiian variety of HBW myself. I'm curious whether if I revisited the Madagascar variety if I'd find it as strong today as it was when I tried it in early 07 (when I was very new to HBW). It's a shame I only can find a few sites offering Madagascar HBW and theirs are from like 06 which makes me worried that due to age they've prob. lost a lot of potency. I've considered trying the Dominican Republic variety of HBW as well but they too are from 06 and pricey.

I doubt if you took a high enough dose of some fresh, potent HBW along with an MAOI like Syrian Rue that you'd still find the trip weak...
 
You're probably right Wizard. I guess it's not entirely fair to make such a wide-judgement yet.

I will admit I've had some powerful experiences with high doses, but they're just not worth repeating due the painful body load. I suppose I owe the stuff another trial or two, though. Could very well be just a problem of a disagreeable crop.

I didn't wanna abadon LSA but I got my butt kicked by it too many times... I think I will make another trial after a few months of rest.

I don't have enough experience with MAOI's enough yet for me to be comfortable combining them.
 
The more annoying aspect of the body load for you is the nausea or vasoconstriction? And have you tried nausea aids like fresh Ginger tea and vasodilators like L-Arginine to open your blood vessels?

Have you tried Rivea seeds yet? I haven't but everyone I've talked to who has tried them has reported much less, if any nausea, compared to HBW. I wouldn't be suprised if Rivea causes less vasoconstriction also.

Have you tried using HBW sublingually to minimize the nausea? I wonder if sublingual HBW also cuts down on vasoconstriction. Anyone have experience with it sublingually to comment?

A friend of mine has tried HBW rectally twice and swears it worked as well for him as orally and without any nausea. What he did was crush the seeds to a fine powder, put them in capsules, lubricate himself and slide em up his hole. I'm skeptical though of my friend's claims as I think he's very prone to getting strong placebo effects from drugs
 
I didn't get nausea last time I took HBWR seeds at all. In fact I ate a large bowl of pasta about mid way through the trip (which seemed to make it kick in more). Even though I only took 4, the trip was decent. No OEVs but some nice CEVs while listening to music. The visuals were quite different to acid, they were softer and more colourful for lack of a better term.

I think I have found a good vendor. I also experienced a very pleasant and euphoric body load but that is probably due to my opiate usage. It seems to have altered how opiates feel to me, the past 2 days I have had a floating on clouds feeling that I don't get very often (admittedly sometimes though, like 1/100) from taking opiates.

I would recommend opiates to someone to combat this unpleasant body load that I keep hearing about but I'm unsure if my experience has been pleasant due to my meds or maybe the strain of seeds I'm getting. I'm not very far away from Madagascar and the people I'm getting the seeds from seem to be total psychonauts, with a wide variety of things available and links to various trance and psychedelic parties on their sites, so it might just be that I have the Madagascan variety? I'll ask them.

Tonight I'm getting 2 hits of blotter acid and taking some more HBWR. I'm worried a bit about the blood pressure spike that I got from the seeds last time so I will be monitoring it. Probably bring the cuff out with me if I go out.
 
I wouldn't recommend the combo of HBW + blotter actually. For some reason the 2 just don't mix nearly as well as one would hope. In fact, it feels to me like they might in ways antagonize each other. Perhaps since HBW and blotter both contain Ergolines they have a similar enough action that they compete for receptors?

I've combined HBW and blotter on 5 or 6 occasions now and usually the combination results in a less euphoric, insightful trip than if I were to take either substance alone. The upside to the combo is it sometimes can make for some pretty interesting visuals plus the blotter totally counteracts the sleepy/heavy feeling of HBW. Still, I don't consider the combo worthwhile to revisit. It just seemed to keep lacking a certain magical quality. It was like it made for a less spiritual, meaningful trip.

The 1 or 2 times years ago that I combined Psilocybe mushrooms with blotter I also didn't care for. Great visuals but boring trip mentally...

In my opinion and experience a Tryptamine and Phenethylamine psychedelic will tend to synergize more interestingly than combining 2 Tryptamine psychedelics. MDxx's seem like particularly good Phenethylamine psychedelics when it comes to how they synergize with Tryptamines. Combining HBW with MDxx tablets has given me the most euphoric candyflips I've ever had. FAR more euphoric than the traditional candyflip of acid + MDxx.

However, I can't recommend any of you go combining HBW and rolling as logic and my body tells me the combo has a seriously increased vasoconstriction to it (I ended up with much more muscle tension than HBW usually gives me) and at times my heart was racing and I felt out of breath. I kept using the combo regardless of this as it was just so damn euphoric and my ego told me I was smart enough to minimize the risk of vasoconstriction by taking vasodilators (L-Arginine), and supplements to protect my heart (Fish Oil, CoQ10) and lower my blood pressure (Taurine, Niacinamide).

One time I got to combine HBW and 2CE and that combo felt perfectly safe and was quite fun and visual and prob. much safer than my HBW/MDxx combos.

I bet Mescaline would mix magnificently with HBW. I'm also curious how Salvia divinorum or DMT would boost the HBW experience to new levels.
 
OK... well I got the blotter in my mouth already, I'll stick to it for tonight and save the LSA for another time. If I read your post before I left to get the stuff I probably would have saved the blotter for another time and taken the LSA tonight. I'll see what happens, I've at least got a nice decent stash built up. :)
 
LSA for me just causes extreme nausea for 3 hours, about an hour of goodness, then just feeling weird till its all over. me no likey.
 
LSA is a bit of a misnomer. It's not a single chemical. LSA actually should be called LSAs, because it refers to a group of lysergic compounds. I can't remember off the top of my head what they're called but I'm sure someone else will chime in.
 
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In my opinion and experience a Tryptamine and Phenethylamine psychedelic will tend to synergize more interestingly than combining 2 Tryptamine psychedelics. MDxx's seem like particularly good Phenethylamine psychedelics when it comes to how they synergize with Tryptamines. Combining HBW with MDxx tablets has given me the most euphoric candyflips I've ever had. FAR more euphoric than the traditional candyflip of acid + MDxx.

However, I can't recommend any of you go combining HBW and rolling as logic and my body tells me the combo has a seriously increased vasoconstriction to it (I ended up with much more muscle tension than HBW usually gives me) and at times my heart was racing and I felt out of breath. I kept using the combo regardless of this as it was just so damn euphoric and my ego told me I was smart enough to minimize the risk of vasoconstriction by taking vasodilators (L-Arginine), and supplements to protect my heart (Fish Oil, CoQ10) and lower my blood pressure (Taurine, Niacinamide).
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I'm very curious about this "seedflip" idea. I'm about to order some HBWR and i'd be keen to combine them with some MDMA but i dont really know what to expect.
Also, would you consider this combo suitable for a festival (not high doses obviously)? I dont tend to get much nausea (stomach of steel), though i do take ginger extract as a preventative whenever i've used the seeds.
 
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