Anybody else NOT like nitrous?

[Captain.Heroin]

It's not that I don't like it, but I definitely am no fiend for it. I only like to use 1 or 2 balloons in a night (in a similar time span, I have seen a single individual use up to 100x times this), if I were to do it. I haven't done it in years. I would only do it out of a tank.

 

[trip.more]

I've been called a tank nazi

 

[toocoolforschool]

Well thank you Bardo, glad some one understands the reference to Gwendolyn Brooks' We Real Cool.

so say you have a steady supply of nitrous. it takes about 5 good tripple hits to start feeling phisical fatigue. at most, those five trips potentiated with a hit of bud and negating tollerance will give you 5 minute trips(30sec without the smoke). this gives you 25 minutes of a say level 3(shulgin scale 0-3) tripping the space out on this stuff. so altogether that's 75 for height with a feeling like maybe 2 for the "hangover"(10 being worst hang over in you life)

so 75/2=38.5 so on a numerical scale of high/hangover(physical+mental fatigue)that's where i'd put it. obviously the higher the number the better...

as opposed to smoke a bowl and be like at a 2 for 4 hours(240 minutes) with an exagerated hangover of 2 for those who get green days.
240>38.5
but that's just my personal preferance scale.

 

[toocoolforschool]

Pure bullshit!

Nitrous is NOT like inhaling glue or freon or gasoline fumes or something.

Nitrous Oxide is one of the absolute safest and NON-TOXIC substances that there is. 99.9% of it is exhaled unchanged. And again, it is extremely non-toxic.

Why do you think it is used in dentistry when you would be laying there inhaling it for like an hour straight?

See here: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/nitrous/nitrous_health.shtml
and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide

The thing about B-12 depletion has only been observed a couple times when people did truly immense amounts (like an entire tank over 8 hours), and is entirely prevented by typical doses of B-12 in multivitamins.

Only ignorant jackasses tell people it is toxic without knowing what the hell they are talking about.

One the other hand if you are stupid enough to use Industrial or Automotive Nitrous Oxide, that has sulfur deliberately added to it to discourage abuse, then YES, THAT shit can be damaging.

Moral: use only medical-grade nitrous from tanks, or food-grade nitrous from whippets and you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Well luckily i didnt mention any thing about nitrous oxide being neurotoxic or i'd have risked looking like an ignorant jackass in the eyes of Dwane...

obviously N2O is at least 20 times safer than huffing glues or solvents. and freon is a suposed active ingredient jankem according to google. damn nasty shit sniffers... ew

personaly i was reffering to damage in the sense that it jumbels up a hell of a lot of neurotransmitters and systems. NMDA, β2-subunit, AMPA, kainate, GABAc, 5-HT3 receptors, GABAa, glycine receptors, epinephrine, norepinephrine and dopamine. i mean do you even know what the β2-subunit is? i'm certianly not an expert.
It's just not my cup of tea, i perfer a bit more selectiveness. as this gives you more controll and allows you can push your limits further safer

but i did notice in those references you gave me that according to Erowid:"Brain injury and suffocation can result from lack of oxygen... It is quite possible to suffocate while breathing pure nitrous oxide without ever feeling discomfort or a shortness of breath."

and though doctors use N2O on patients for hours they mix it with O2 at about 30%, and 70% respectively. the mixture is then slowly released into the body over time as apposed to just one giant breath.

but here's where it get's fuzzy. although Erowid says to negate any neurotoxicity(olney's lesions) from william white's study "this is your brain on dissasociatives," your other source lists 4 other studies in which NMDA receptor antagonist neurotoxicity is related to legnthy N2O consumption. albeit that 2 of the studies cheated and potentiated it with ketamine...

 

[abore]

^^ Can you do these calculations for DOC which costs about 4$ per dose and lasts me about 20hrs? I'm writing me thesis and these are just the kind of concrete statistics I'm looking for.

Nitrous is a blast though. It's easy to abuse, but really it's pretty boring without psychedelics. For anyone who hasn't been impressed by nitrous thus far... try a couple chargers in a balloon while you're on acid or mushrooms and get ready to let go.

 

[TheAppleCore]

Pure science, folks.

LOL, I kinda like the way the guy thinks. :D



I've had quite a few interesting little rides on laughing gas, but I've only had one really euphoric trip. That was the first time I inhaled two chargers' worth in succession. Still didn't compare to the euphoria you'll find in traditional psychedelics, however.

 

[trip.more]

It's pretty funny that I've seen this same exact thread posted at least 3 times over the years I've been browsing the forums and each time it turns into an I love nitrous thread%)

 

[nopipesdfw]

I don't constantly want a whippet throughout the day, in fact, quite the opposite.

If I am sober, binging on lungs of nitrous isn't something that I like to do because of the cost and the fact that the stuff is raw gaseous synergy! (On nights where I had gone to parties rolling and tripping, I have experienced doing case after case with a gun and feeling like it is the end of the world upon running out lol. I will still kill a small case over a night on high doses of psychedelics about once a month, but I have gotten better about not being so obsessed over it while I am on it.)

I'm a fan of dissociatives, but I know tons of people locally that were in awe when they tried a whippet who don't know a dissociative is, the rush always seemed insanely euphoric to me.

 

[toocoolforschool]

^^ Can you do these calculations for DOC which costs about 4$ per dose and lasts me about 20hrs? I'm writing me thesis and these are just the kind of concrete statistics I'm looking for.

Nitrous is a blast though. It's easy to abuse, but really it's pretty boring without psychedelics. For anyone who hasn't been impressed by nitrous thus far... try a couple chargers in a balloon while you're on acid or mushrooms and get ready to let go.

your best bet is probably a heavy dose of 2c(e or t-2) or medium dose of DOx bassed solely on on the 20 hour duration and i bet if you buy enough of what ever it is you could get the price down to $4 a dose.

but i'm not so sure that a quote from some one in an anonomous online forum is the best place to aquire "concrete statistics" for your thesis...

 

[ColtDan]

i love nitrous when im drunk, and/or on mephedrone. very euphoric. on its own i find it pointless and shit

 

[DwayneHoover]

On shrooms its unbelievable, but do more than a few and it can reduce that entranced sensation markedly, much to my nitro-greedy chagrin on a few occasions.

On Methylone, much like Meph I assume (not yet tried the latter), it is quite swimmingly euphoric.

 

[McTwist]

I think I'd like it better if my friends weren't fiends for it. You should see em sucking down balloons just so they can get it refilled before anyone else! It's ridiculous! I don't understand the fiending nature of this drug. I fiend zero percent of the time. If it's around me at festivals, I think nothing of it. When there's a tank in our group, I chill on my balloon while everyone else sucks em down like oxygen in a sinking ship. My friends kept telling me once you've inhaled you won't wanna stop till it's gone. Not me. I wanted to stop after a few balloons cause the euphoria decreased drastically. Everyone's different though and I understand the appeal.

 

[killermunchies]

I sometimes fiend a little bit but I can usually control the urge. I usually fill three balloons and do them in quick succession, since I can only figure out how to hold three at a time. Attempting anymore than three in a row is pointless for me because by the time I can fill another, I've already come down too much to make it worth it. I do sometimes end up doing more later in the night, but I've always stopped myself before I've done more than 10.

 

[NEOLHF]

I used to enjoy NOS, until it started messing with my central nervous system. If you don't supplement with B vitamins and abuse NOS then you will start to notice strange things like numb limbs and tingling sensations.

It's either B6 or B12 (someone correct me here) that you MUST take when using excessive amounts of NOS.

I also find it literally PEAKS your trip or buzz out then you spend the rest of the time chasing that high and cutting off oxygen to your brain.

Hippie Crack.

I DO enjoy MDMA + LSD + WEED + NOS if you'd like to explore and understand yourself, your life, your brain and the universe for about 5 mins. Then have it sucked away.

 

[fiendwithoutaface]

i fucking love nitros

 

[Bardeaux]

so say you have a steady supply of nitrous. it takes about 5 good tripple hits to start feeling phisical fatigue. at most, those five trips potentiated with a hit of bud and negating tollerance will give you 5 minute trips(30sec without the smoke). this gives you 25 minutes of a say level 3(shulgin scale 0-3) tripping the space out on this stuff. so altogether that's 75 for height with a feeling like maybe 2 for the "hangover"(10 being worst hang over in you life)

so 75/2=38.5 so on a numerical scale of high/hangover(physical+mental fatigue)that's where i'd put it. obviously the higher the number the better...

as opposed to smoke a bowl and be like at a 2 for 4 hours(240 minutes) with an exagerated hangover of 2 for those who get green days.
240>38.5
but that's just my personal preferance scale.

Couldnt you have just said "I like marijuana more because it lasts longer"?

and freon is a suposed active ingredient jankem according to google. damn nasty shit sniffers... ew

If you're serious, can you provide a source?

obviously N2O is at least 20 times safer than huffing glues or solvents.

Only 20 units of safety? I would have guessed 40-50

 

[knock]

It's either B6 or B12 (someone correct me here) that you MUST take when using excessive amounts of NOS.

It's B12, and as I understand it supplements will make LITTLE OR NO DIFFERENCE because nitrous impairs the bodies ability to use the vitamin. The correct way to avoid the B12 issue is therefore to consume nitrous infrequently.

 

[Termino]

It's B12, and as I understand it supplements will make LITTLE OR NO DIFFERENCE because nitrous impairs the bodies ability to use the vitamin. The correct way to avoid the B12 issue is therefore to consume nitrous infrequently.

From what I've read, it appears that N2O does affect existing B12, but taking more B12 after the nitrous session can restore levels to normal.

"Basically, B12 is a bound coenzyme of methionine synthase and has a tetrapyrrole rings with a monovalent cobalt at the center. The cobalt functions as a methyl carrier in a transmethylation reaction. Nitrous oxide converts the cobalt from the monovalent form to the bivalent form. As a result, methionine synthase activity is inhibited. Recovery is believed to require absorption of new unoxidized B12 (and synthesis of new apoenzyme). " (from lycaeum.org)

But knockando is absolutely correct in stating "The correct way to avoid the B12 issue is therefore to consume nitrous infrequently." Limit yourself - don't be doing N2O for hours & hours... do a few rounds of balloons then lay off for a while.

 

[DwayneHoover]

I also find it literally PEAKS your trip or buzz out then you spend the rest of the time chasing that high and cutting off oxygen to your brain.
.

The part about chasing the high is true.

But cutting off oxygen to your brain part while technically true is inconsequential. I mean, are people who swim and dive and hold their breath frequently when going under water getting more and more brain damaged all the time and dumber and dumber? Holding in a balloon of nitrous is no different than that, except your body will force you to breath SOONER since your lungs are not filled with air. Nitrous does not "trick" your body into thinking it is oxygen or anything like that, if that's what you're thinking.

And of course, cutting off oxygen has ***NOTHING*** to do with how the high from Nitrous Oxide works, but I'm sure you knew that.

Unless you fill a bag with it an tie it around your neck (which you CAN die from... then again you can die from tying a bag of AIR around your neck), and all you are doing is inhaling hits from balloons or a whipped cream dispenser it is IMPOSSIBLE to cause oxygen-deprivation damage this way. The brain is VERY VERY VERY good at triggering a forced "breathe now!" or "gasp" involuntary autonomic reaction to the diaphragm the instant any sort of damage or problem due to 0xygen deprivation is a possibility. This impulse is triggered WELL BEFORE any damage occurs.

Why do people keep repeating this dumb concept? Just like you cannot kill yourself or damage your brain by holding your breath, you cant hurt yourself in any way by holding in a balloon of nitrous. VERY basic low-level brain-stem IRRESISTIBLE reaction is to BREATHE! when it becomes absolutely necessary... you CANNOT resist it without external mechanical methods.

 

[DwayneHoover]

It's B12, and as I understand it supplements will make LITTLE OR NO DIFFERENCE because nitrous impairs the bodies ability to use the vitamin. The correct way to avoid the B12 issue is therefore to consume nitrous infrequently.

In fact supplemental B12 *CAN* repair very unlikely b12 depletion, though HUGE amounts of nitrous combined with pre-existing b12 deficiency are necessary for any problems to be caused.

Anyone using Nitrous I recommend take 1000mg sublingual tab of methylcobalamin before doing the NO, it is cheap, available at all vitamin stores and most grocery & drug stores, is the immediately active form of b12 in blood and brain, is almost entirely absorbed and provides 16,667% of the daily requirement which will be more than enough to prevent any damage, and also has MANY other beneficial therapeutic effects.

I recommend everyone take one at least once a week or even daily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylcobalamin
http://www.raysahelian.com/methylcobalamin.html

BUT as long as you have a decent diet, really, the supplement is NOT really necessary... though good insurance I guess. The effect of NO on b12 is not really strong enough to have a negative effect on your b12 levels unless you do a MASSIVE amount of nitrous... or are already b12-deficient. I doubt even multiple 24-cases in one night are anywhere near enough to affect your b12 levels to any damaging degree. You probably need to do like a tankful.

The warning began as an anti-getting-high scare tactic, IMO.

OH, and someone earlier mentioned Olney's Lessions, which is another anti-drug scare tactic... these have *NEVER* been observed in humans... see wikipedia page and erowid page on NO.