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Any vegetarians out there?

El Toro,

I'm speaking from experience. My brother and I are both vegan.

We both used to be anemic when we were younger, but are both no longer. The first few years of being vegan, our parents would make us get routine blood tests in fear that we were degenerating into malnutrition. Everything seems to be panning out fine for us.

I'm not saying that being vegan is superior, but obviously, once you start putting more emphasis on drawing vitals from food (whether you're vegan or not), you will get better results.
 
El_Toro said:
Actually in your case things can be complicated. You are in a serious need of iron, and a vegan diet cannot support a good iron intake. Supplementing with iron is useless as it is hardly absorbed. Best absorbed iron is from red meat, even iron from eggs/poultry is not as good absorbed as red meat.

In all eventualities, make sure you have a high intake of vitamin C, and watch out for a high phytate intake.
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I really dont believe thats true at all. I dont even take iron and my iron levels are fine. I dont eat very much eggs or dairy either. I think its a myth that people need a lot of iron. Unless you have had a massive blood loss or something, you should be fine. Besides, your body will tell you whats wrong..if you start having anemia symptoms then deal with it, but if you feel good I wouldnt worry about it.
 
Jamshyd said:
Stephanie: I give up.

For the third time, I will repear to you that I have said, THREE times, that I am NOT (note: Not is a negatory article) strict.

I never said I was strict.

I said I was NOT strict.

I said I make compromises.

I said that making copromises makes me not strict.

Therefore I am NOT strict since I make compromises. YES. That is correct. That is exactly what I mean.

So why on earth are you still arguing with me!?

If vegerarianism is some kind of exclusive club, then thanks - I'll skip. Why would I ever want to join such a club? It beats the Halal and Kosher rules of Muslims and Jews!

p.s. Yes, I am not a strict, because I make compromises.
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I think her only issue is calling yourself a vegetarian (even a piscovegetarian or whatever)..you are an omnivore..and thats fine. It has nothing to do with not being strict..there is no such thing as a "not strict" vegetarian who eats meat or fish sometimes. Thats an omnivore and theres nothing wrong with that. And yeah...it is an exclusive club...only one requirement to join...
 
Answering the OP. I'm a fake vegetarian. Basically, I don't eat pig/cow/whatever meat or bird meat. I have chosen to eat fish since it makes my social life a lot easier. But I've been thinking about quitting that, most of the time I don't enjoy eating fish. Six years no meat. For some time I was very sick of trying to explain my diet to dickheads who just couldn't understand that there's a free choice in what food you eat. Worst part was the army - where they "forgot" to bring me food and said "there's grass everywhere". And yes, they had beforehand told me it was t-o-t-a-l-l-y O-K to be a vegetarian in the army. Fucking idiots.

Concerning healthy changes, I don't know. I don't live a very healthy life in general. Probably I'll have lower bad cholesterol and avoid stomach cancer along the road. The only times I'm constipated are drug-related.
 
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^lol @ drug-related constipation

i feel ya

You people who are on the opposing-jamshyd side of this whole strict vegetarian vs omnivore argument are the people who give the laid-back vegetarians the reputation of stuck-up fuckers who think they are better than everybody else.

I'm not. Jamshyd's not.

Eating meat as a social courtesy does not make you a non-vegetarian... It makes you a considerate person. The omnivores in my family oftentimes don't eat meat when I cook a meal, but it doesn't make them vegetarians, it just makes them considerate. Come on, it's not that big of a deal. The animal was already killed and cooked for you - it's not like you could have done anything about it, and eating it then and at worst will only clog your system up a bit.
 
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I unwittingly ate some meat in food that was prepared for me. Does that make me not a vegetarian?

This debate is silly. Define your own diet, instead of others' if you care so much.
 
MynameisnotDeja said:
I think her only issue is calling yourself a vegetarian (even a piscovegetarian or whatever)..you are an omnivore..and thats fine. It has nothing to do with not being strict..there is no such thing as a "not strict" vegetarian who eats meat or fish sometimes. Thats an omnivore and theres nothing wrong with that. And yeah...it is an exclusive club...only one requirement to join...
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It seems to me that vegetarians have trouble reading.

I never called myself a vegetarian.

I called my diet (an NOT myself - my diet is not an identity as you people seem to make it out to be) PISCO-vegetarian

Pisco - from greek piscis (fish).

There IS such a thing as a pisco-vegetarian.

Since you people are so stuck up on your elitest veggy club, you might want to read up on the different varieties of vegetarianism.

Did I mention that I'm not a strict vegetarian? 8(
 
Coolio said:
Where do you think the iron in these meats comes from? We eat vegetarian animals, and they survive and thrive off of non-heme iron.
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The other day I jumped on the bus on my way home. I was looking at the landcape. It was beautiful.
 
MynameisnotDeja said:
I really dont believe thats true at all. I dont even take iron and my iron levels are fine. I dont eat very much eggs or dairy either. I think its a myth that people need a lot of iron. Unless you have had a massive blood loss or something, you should be fine. Besides, your body will tell you whats wrong..if you start having anemia symptoms then deal with it, but if you feel good I wouldnt worry about it.
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Well it really depends. If you are eating foods with a high phytate and oxalate content, then you could be unwillingly absorbing less iron. Then again, it depends on one's metabolism, but these such two substances are known to decrease absorption of iron.

Anemia is not only caused by lack of iron. Many other micro nutrient deficits play a role; vitamin-B12, zinc and copper. The body needs to maintain an equilibrium and if you take too much/too little of one (except, perhaps in the case of vit-B12), then you could cause a domino effect leading to an ultimate malaise.

If you are a sedentary person, then yeah, you should be OK with a vegan diet. Now, my post was more in concern with the person who said was a cyclist and a vegan. Aerobic exercisers need much more iron than an average person, and a vegan diet is not optimal (which is a very subjective term) for such a population. On top of that, I would be concerned with a vegan female.

And I would not "deal with it" in the case of anemia symptons. Anemia is a serious condition which will affects one's quality of life. Moreover, a lack of zinc (which could be the culprit of an anemia), for example, can cause a host of problems down the road, amongst them, decreased fertility.
 
>>Now, my post was more in concern with the person who said was a cyclist and a vegan. Aerobic exercisers need much more iron than an average person, and a vegan diet is not optimal>>

That would be me.
I've been careful with iron, zinc, and B-12. If I develop anemia at some point down the road (these first five years have gone fine), then you've proven me wrong.

ebola
 
Hehe relax guys. ;)
As for me....I love vegetables to death (no pun intended) and I also love meat....I'm a proud omnivore. It aint all or nothing for this one!
 
Dtergent said:
Anyway I'd just like to vent that I've been getting a lot of shit from meat-eaters lately. I never meddle with other people's food (my dad and bf eat meat regularly), but it seems that a number have chosen to take an aggressive and condescending stance against vegetarians of late.

It's like someone mentions I'm vegetarian and another person gets semi-upset and says that vegetarians are fussy, complain about little things, think so highly of themselves, etc. Then they tell me what to eat. This is all before I say even one word! It's annoying... I'm not in their business, grrr they should stay out of mine.
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I would have no problem eating in a mongolian BBQ with you B! You never gave me that vibe, I always knew you were cool with us flesh eaters (and smokers) ;)
 
If both veggies and carnivores would slowly taper the sticks out of their asses, maybe they could learn to accept one another.
 
no stick up my arse stagnant reaction, just get a bit riled when people start posting and telling people in their life about eating one way then actually do another. It is confusing enough when you want to eat out without these extra complications.
By the way it is generally called pesco vegetarian not pisco in English but I don't know what languague is actually correct so don't take that as law.
Each to their own I say and respect to each of those, so long as you are eating healthy and keeping your body and mind happy go for it.
:)
 
Jamshyd said:
It seems to me that vegetarians have trouble reading.

I never called myself a vegetarian.

I called my diet (an NOT myself - my diet is not an identity as you people seem to make it out to be) PISCO-vegetarian

Pisco - from greek piscis (fish).

There IS such a thing as a pisco-vegetarian.

Since you people are so stuck up on your elitest veggy club, you might want to read up on the different varieties of vegetarianism.

Did I mention that I'm not a strict vegetarian? 8(
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Im not stuck up Im just saying, to me pisco vegetarian is a contradiction. I dont think the word should be used at all. It just doesnt make sense to me..its like saying you are vegetarian except for steak. I realize some people say this, Im just saying it doesnt make sense to me.

I COMPLETELY accept carnivores..hell I dont even know any other vegetarians in real life!

"Eating meat as a social courtesy does not make you a non-vegetarian... It makes you a considerate person." <---um. Actually it does make you a non vegetarian.
 
I think we are splitting hairs here.

Conclusion:

Carnivores > vegetarians

Why would have god otherwise made cows so damn tasty?
 
^ Lol.

MNIND: I think your problem is that you take "vegetarian" as a kind of identity, as in "I am vegetarian" like "I am scottish".

In this regard, I agree with you... one cannot say "I am scottish but I can be chinese out of courtsey".

However, i am using "vegetarian" as an adjective. "This diet is vegetarian" - ie, this diet has the property of being made entirely of vegetables.

A pisco-vegetarian diet, another adjective to describe a diet - saying that this diet is made up of fish and vegetables.

As I said, I do not have nationalistic (or I guess in this case, dietaristic ;)) patriotism when it comes to what I eat.

I hope this makes my point clear :)
 
ebola? said:
It's apparent that God also made you extremely witty AND original. ;)

ebola
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What can I say, him and I grew up in the same ghetto, once took a bullet for him. He owed me one.
 
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