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Stimulants Any tips for getting unstuck (esp crack crawl)

Meth is such a powerful drug, I really think you should just give it up and switch to something else if you have to. It's so easy to lie to your self about your use, specially with meth.

You said you used to drink. I think you'd be better off with alcohol than meth.
 
I'll take that advice. I'm really not worried about my usage, but continuing to mess with a drug that inevitably causes brain damage really isn't what I need in my life, especially as a graduate English student. I need my mind. :P Once a month meth will be replaced with nightly alcohol, I feel. Lol. Plus, I'd really like to enjoy MDMA on occasion.
 
Oh, I know. Alcohol, I've made myself accept. I'll always drink. And I'm not really worried about my MDMA usage getting out of control. It's a drug I approach much differently, and I trust myself to keep it to special occasions. I worship that stuff. My favorite party favor, fo sho.

Meth is by far the most concerning of the three. Heh. I've been drinking alcohol for years, too frequently. But If I'd been smoking meth instead, I'd be in a much worse situation right now. Meth = addiction potential with the threat of extensive brain damage that could happen quickly over a relatively short period of time once addicted. Nahh. Different levels, here.
 
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If you really feel the benefit from it by smoking it, I suggest you destroy your pipe,pookie etc.
Then just take about half the amount you would normally throw in the pipe, disolve it in water and drink it.
You won't believe the difference, seriously, chalk and cheese and there will be no more carpet crawling either.
I'm suggesting taking it orally for Harm Reduction purposes as opposed to smoking it.
At least try the oral route once.
Obviously abstinence would be the safest, but I'm just being realistic.


Just my 2 cents.
 
^ Oral dosing FTW! Especially if if you never ventured in to IV meth abuse, which means that oral dosing can still be effective! The comeup should not as quick as smoking (which means oral dosing is less addictive), and the comedown should be a smooth "descent" in to baseline, rather than a hard "crash."

I've never used meth or cocaine, though, so I can't really comment on the effects or tics with those two drugs. However, I do have plenty (9 months) of experience of taking low (10-15/mg dexedrine, or 30-50mg/vyvanse a day) doses used for ADD relief, and I find that the tic (a somewhat repetitive thumb cracking for me) only comes on in times of heavy Norepinephrine content, such as adding a bit of Ephedrine/caffeine to my dosage, or when I'm very stressed (also having to do with norepinephrine release as one MOA), or when I drink any amount of caffeine, since caffeine and amphetamines synergize with eachother in a very extreme way due to the way caffeine regulates cAMP levels and adenosine levels.

Sekio, maybe you can point out the exact mechanism of amphetamines causing tics, either ADD non-abuse dosages or with amp/meth abuse dosages, and also explain why cAMP levels modified by caffeine makes the amphetamines so much stronger. I'll read peer-reviewed journals if you don't really feel like explaining, just point me in the right way. :) That way the OP and thousands of other posters who will eventually see this thread will realize that their "morning coffee" is negatively affecting their ADD medicine/crystal meth dosing by potentiating the amphetamine effect almost two-fold, leading to unexpectectedly high levels of DA/NE release, leading to OCD-like behaviors, from everything as minor as cracking a specific knuckle, to crawling your carpet for some meth shards.
 
Sekio, maybe you can point out the exact mechanism of amphetamines causing tics,

I wouldn't know, this is just observed evidence. I do know that sometimes antidopaminergic medications are used to block tics, so there's a good chance it's DA-related. But I also know that methamphetamine is quite a complex drug and there's more to it than you might expect.

As to why combining multiple stimulants (caffeine, methamphetamine) creates synergy, I will leave that to your imagination.
their "morning coffee" is negatively affecting their ADD medicine/crystal meth dosing by potentiating the amphetamine effect almost two-fold, leading to unexpectectedly high levels of DA/NE release, leading to OCD-like behaviors, from everything as minor as cracking a specific knuckle, to crawling your carpet for some meth shards.

I seriously doubt you should blame the caffeine...for most people, doses of caffiene should be uncomfortable at best, but not tic-inducing. A cup of coffee or Red Bull or 5Hr Energy is what, 80mg. A Vivarin is 100 or 200mg. If you are crawling around your carpet looking for rocks, you're probably overdoing the meth not the caffeine.

Caffeine is a pretty poor indirect releaser of DA/NE anyway.
 
Meth is such a powerful drug, I really think you should just give it up and switch to something else if you have to. It's so easy to lie to your self about your use, specially with meth.

You said you used to drink. I think you'd be better off with alcohol than meth.

Alcohol is extremely toxic (not just neurotoxic but toxic to your whole body) and causes more problems than almost anything else.
 
I am hyper and have taken ir Dexedrine since I was and my dose is 10-30 mg per dose for a short period of time until the hunger hits and I eat and decide what I need to have in certain situations. 10 mg in social situations is excellent because I don't lost the wit and zest and have some control buy other situations, I need 30 mg which makes me quiet and a control freak. I like the option of being able to just one small dose in the AM if I want to and I am not into abuse. I have recurrent research patterns and listen to the same songs over and over. I also overthink when I am on 30 mg. However, my dose can for whatever reason work at the smallest great and the largest does nothing to calm me down. I have had that for years. I had some genotype test for CYP??? and other things and I am a rapid metabolizer do my dose according to the results at the full 150 mg would metabolically be around 45 mg. I have been on these and they make me calm, the test was over $1000 but when the DEA pops in, I will be fine.

I took Desoxyn Gradumet for 2 months as a teen, 2 of the 15 mg ones three times a day. It was very mild, but not much different than dexedrine. I felt just as tired and subdued on it. Our local pharmacy had to call 20 people to give it to her and it wasnt woth it. However, I smoked meth once and it felt like the megadoses of Dex I took as a child. Everyone else was picking up cat litter and thought it was meth and rearranging furniture nonstop.

Dexedrine also makes me a pervert. Bisexual, S&M, abuse, kidnap fantasies... odd shit... legal of course... I just mean socially acceptable pervert. I hear that the risky behavior and meth parties and HIV petri dish is big there, is supposed to be a gay guy thing and I don't mess with them or straight women anyhow... It's only fair that certain labels stay with their own to me. I am monogamous, I am not part of that gay/straight war you have going on, I am not half gay or straight but since I mentioned it, I would go on that small kick. That is the gist of what a bisexual person would say. Gay people are the ones that hit on unwanted people and get beat up more often. Their attitudes don't help ether and they act like they are all angels. I am not part of that LGBT crap, it is pathetic to me. The garbage bisexuals that respectable ones avoid are the ones you see waving rainbow flags. I feel there is nothing to be ashamed or proud of. I also don't care if people call me names so "faggot" away, wenn du möchtest. I know it is a dead thread but I carpet pick because I hate the sight of anything on it,
 
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