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any ecstasy users who started early, go on to live successful lives?

How strange. I thought I posted a reply on this yesterday, but I guess it didn't post. Anyway, here goes again: the issue here is not that MDMA will screw up your brain, your ambition, or your life. It won't. But excessive use of ANY substance, most especially alcohol but also heroin, coke, LSD or MDMA, can lead to misplaced efforts that result in less happening in a person's life than might have had no drug use been chosen. (I would exempt marijuana: smoke all you want).

I base my comment/judgment on substantial experience. I began using pot at age 16 and have continued daily until now... 47 years later. Yup, I'm in my 60s; had a quite successful career as a college prof, and have retired from all work comfortably set. The set of friends I have traveled through this life with all have had successful careers (doctors, lawyers, architects, business owners, you get the idea) with the exception of the people who overdid and ODed on things like heroin or barbiturates (and died), even though they used MDMA and pot. Other than maybe aggravating a cough when you have a cold, pot will not screw you up at all.

Now, to get to the meat of the question: does MDMA screw up your brain, ambition, life? Like I said at the outset, yes: excessive use can dim your bulb, but it is unlikely to result in some immediate mental breakdown, unlike LSD which unfortunately can produce psychotic reactions even in a single dose. (Seen it too many times). But if a person keeps things in balance with MDMA by spacing out those lovely evenings to be at least six to eight weeks apart, if they keep their dosage to a reasonable amount (like one to two tested pure tablets max), and if they deal with the comedown on Monday and Tuesday without panic, and with the knowledge that feeling shitty is simply a chemical phase within them that will pass, you can use MDMA over many years. Personally, I was doing lots of LSD in the later 1960s, lots of coke in the 70s and 80s, and MDMA since about 1995 or 1996. In each case, by keeping it to weekends, and by showing up at work and buckling down to do it even when I might have preferred to lounge in bed, my friends and I have been able to keep the down side to a minimum.

The key thing to avoid is excess. Just like getting a little buzzed is way different from being falling down drunk, having reasonable use of MDMA requires the judgment to say no to some opportunities. It's just never a good idea to take it on consecutive days. Nor is an every weekend habit going to work out for you. Nor will being the guy who always pops the most pills every time there is a party. Find the balance between elation and the temptation to take the road to ruin.
 
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How strange. I thought I posted a reply on this yesterday, but I guess it didn't post. Anyway, here goes again: the issue here is not that MDMA will screw up your brain, your ambition, or your life. It won't. But excessive use of ANY substance, most especially alcohol but also heroin, coke, LSD or MDMA, can lead to misplaced efforts that result in less happening in a person's life than might have had no drug use been chosen. (I would exempt marijuana: smoke all you want).

I base my comment/judgment on substantial experience. I began using pot at age 16 and have continued daily until now... 47 years later. Yup, I'm in my 60s; had a quite successful career as a college prof, and have retired from all work comfortably set. The set of friends I have traveled through this life with all have had successful careers (doctors, lawyers, architects, business owners, you get the idea) with the exception of the people who overdid and ODed on things like heroin or barbiturates (and died), even though they used MDMA and pot. Other than maybe aggravating a cough when you have a cold, pot will not screw you up at all.

You and your "friends" sound like total addicts in major denial. Actually yes pot can mess up someone. I'm not talking about occasional use a few times a year, or a few times a month on weekends but daily use. Ever meet a total pothead? I know people who revolve their entire lives around nothing but smoking pot. Yeah they may have jobs/careers but they do nothing but smoke herb before work, sometimes during work, and after work and they've done this for decades. Some of these people had excellent potential and are college/university professors but their motivation has gone down the toilet thanks to their choice in getting stoned and putting drugs first ahead of their life/career, etc.
 
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Started at 16, did every week, most weeks Friday and Saturday night from that age til about 24/25 (probably averaging between 5 and 15 in a weekend), now it's only an every now and then thing but have had no lasting side effects.

how're you not retarded? lol
 
How strange. I thought I posted a reply on this yesterday, but I guess it didn't post. Anyway, here goes again: the issue here is not that MDMA will screw up your brain, your ambition, or your life. It won't. But excessive use of ANY substance, most especially alcohol but also heroin, coke, LSD or MDMA, can lead to misplaced efforts that result in less happening in a person's life than might have had no drug use been chosen. (I would exempt marijuana: smoke all you want).

I base my comment/judgment on substantial experience. I began using pot at age 16 and have continued daily until now... 47 years later. Yup, I'm in my 60s; had a quite successful career as a college prof, and have retired from all work comfortably set. The set of friends I have traveled through this life with all have had successful careers (doctors, lawyers, architects, business owners, you get the idea) with the exception of the people who overdid and ODed on things like heroin or barbiturates (and died), even though they used MDMA and pot. Other than maybe aggravating a cough when you have a cold, pot will not screw you up at all.

Now, to get to the meat of the question: does MDMA screw up your brain, ambition, life? Like I said at the outset, yes: excessive use can dim your bulb, but it is unlikely to result in some immediate mental breakdown, unlike LSD which unfortunately can produce psychotic reactions even in a single dose. (Seen it too many times). But if a person keeps things in balance with MDMA by spacing out those lovely evenings to be at least six to eight weeks apart, if they keep their dosage to a reasonable amount (like one to two tested pure tablets max), and if they deal with the comedown on Monday and Tuesday without panic, and with the knowledge that feeling shitty is simply a chemical phase within them that will pass, you can use MDMA over many years. Personally, I was doing lots of LSD in the later 1960s, lots of coke in the 70s and 80s, and MDMA since about 1995 or 1996. In each case, by keeping it to weekends, and by showing up at work and buckling down to do it even when I might have preferred to lounge in bed, my friends and I have been able to keep the down side to a minimum.

The key thing to avoid is excess. Just like getting a little buzzed is way different from being falling down drunk, having reasonable use of MDMA requires the judgment to say no to some opportunities. It's just never a good idea to take it on consecutive days. Nor is an every weekend habit going to work out for you. Nor will being the guy who always pops the most pills every time there is a party. Find the balance between elation and the temptation to take the road to ruin.

^ Fucking legend!

One of the best posts on this forum in a long long time.
 
I have only used MDMA four times total. I was more depressed before I ever touched it.. It sort of helped with how I interact socially, I am more confident and not afraid of new people, and I dont take things as seriously, I'm not afraid of being awkward. Because I know all I gotta do is be myself and be happy..

This is exactly how I feel since I started taking X....I don't touch it nearly as much as a lot of people I know or people on here, but I definitely have been taking it a bit too frequently lately lol....this coming weekend is the last one for a while methinks. Definitely no ongoing sides or even mid-week dips yet.
 
I started at 14 yrs old.. every month for a year? Or two? I started slowly decreasing to 2-3 months. Now I'm at like once a year.. 8 years later.
Got my BA and accepted into a masters program. I think I'm going aiiiiiight.
 
This is a great question, that I have asked myself before and I am sure the answer is... Yes many people who have done drugs in the past and continue to do drugs to this day are successful and will continue to be successful.

I am in my late thirties, probably smoked weed for the first time when I was around 16, drank quite a bit between 16 - 24, dropped acid for the first time when I was 20, did it a few times, probably til about 25 years old or so.

I do Speed every weekend, or every other weekend and MDMA once a month or so and I am chronic weed smoker 7 days a week. I have also tried E a few times. And I drink 6 - 8 times a year.

E was my first experience a couple of years a go and I was scared to do it, lol. Let me tell you, it was a life changing experience. Hate to say this, but it opened my mind, made me see things a little different and relaxed me! Did it a few times after and haven't done it in a while.

Was doing research on E and come across info on MDMA and thought wow this is the way to go with this stuff, and it was. It is my favorite, but it can be hard to find and it is more expensive. With MDMA I take it fuck all night, relax and have fun!

Thought I would give speed a try, and of course liked it, but knew it could get out of hand if a person wasn't careful. I do speed once a week or so for the past 3 months. I pick a night, take it, relax and fuck all night. It is awesome and it is the only day I typically take off once a week.

The definition of successful is different en everyone's eyes. Do I think I am successful, well I fell like I am going in the right direction. I own my own business doing something I love and it is paying the bills (and we have bills, lol) and growing, I have a home, 2 nice vehicles and a business vehicle. I am married to a great woman and have great kids. Am I where I want to be, not yet but it feels like I am going in the right direction.

There are a lot of variables with this though. I am at the gym 5 - 6 days a week at 5 am, I eat fairly healthy and organic, I take vitamins and supplements. I pre and post load vitamins when doing speed or mdma etc.

And I use to be "depressed" was on paxil for a bit, stuff sucked. If you are on anti-depressants go do some research on what you are taking, you will probably scare yourself. Also look into 5-HTP and St. John's Wort, both good for depression. Also start excising 20 - 30 min a day, cut some sugar and fast food out of your diet, eat more whole food and drink more water all these things will help.

Good luck and life will take you where you want to go if you want it to bad enough!
 
So even if MDMA causes damage to brain cells.....................does it really impact on peoples cognitive abilities............No, I don't think it does.


It can. For instance, the brain fog people describe getting. I'm pretty sure that has some kind of effect on your cognitive ability. There have been tests done to find out but they haven't been conclusive.

This doesn't mean it doesn't affect that part of your mind, it just means we haven't yet found out whether it definitely does or whether it definitely doesn't, or if there is a middle ground what type of people would it affect.
 
I took my first E at around sixteen. Was always heavily involved in the dance scene (still so), so it was almost natural that i would come across the drug (1994 ). It was life changing for me, an experience that i will never forget. I met and made so many friends, many of whom are still friends today. I joined the British Army at the age of eighteen and spent ten years serving my country, at both home, and overseas in climates such as Iraq and Afghanistan, all the while still dreaming that one day i could be that same person i was at sixteen. Now after leaving the forces i have discovered that those days can never come back, but what you can do is enjoy the memories and look forward.
 
TBH, I wish I had gone raving more in the early 90s Europe. The pills were waaaay better, the music was guaranteed decent unlike todays techno-roulette and the whole scene was magic, lovely vibe. After doing 4 weeks in a row, I decided I was getting sucked in and I was too mellowed and physically burnout all week to do anything.

I went on to a pretty decent life, awards for achievement, family etc. But I'm using MDMA every 3-4 weeks just now and I'm getting random depressed moments which are only alleviated by 5htp or extreme exercise. So I would not encourage you to do too much of it if you've got college etc. 4 times a year is ideal.
 
I first discovered E in the UK in 94 and was big into the rave scene throughout the 90's. I had a great time, life, job, boyfriend everything. Even though I was always deeply depressed after a party and cried a lot it always went away after the drug left my system. At one particular party the scene was weird and the people were so fucked up it made me feel disgusting. I didn't want to look at these people let alone be one of them. The whole thing came to a head in the morning and I felt I wanted to kill myself. I really did and it scared the shit out of me. I never touched it again after that day.

I always partied on the weekends and things were fine. I got a new boyfriend who I married and we partied on the weekends. We did coke together but then i started to get those old feelings of wanting to kill myself cause the comedown was so awful. So i put a ban on coke and told my bf never to bring it into the house again. So then he stated bringing home pills. We were still weekend warriors but Then it became more than that and we got into the pill scene. It was all good up til about 3 yrs ago when I experience my first WD. I realized i was a complete drug addict and went into a deep depression and to this day haven't recovered. I've completely destroyed my brain function and even 150mg of Zoloft and being under a dr care hasn't helped me. I've ruined my life, lost my job, my will to do anything. I go through times when I don't get out of bed for days and have my entire family on edge because they all know. My life sucks and if it weren't for my husband and my parents, sister and pets I really am scared to say I don't know if I would be alive. My dr says if I can get clean my life would turn around completely and I could "be normal" again.
I made bad choices and let drugs destroy my life. There certainly is life after E cause I lived it until I made the deadly mistake in getting involved in pills. So you are at a point where you can choose to stop and live and be happy. You made need antidepressants because your brain isn't capable of producing serotonin without outside help. But trust me - a WISH I could just take Zoloft. Please please help yourself and go to therapy to talk Bout your feelings and get some Zoloft or whatever to help you along. It's the best choice you can make for yourself ! Good luck!
 
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