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I just read about a family that tripped out from eating tomatos from their garden. The tomatos were grown by grafting tomato vines to belladonna plants. Each tomato contained atleast 12mg alkaloids.

How much is known about this!? I would think this would quite an exciting area of interest in the alkaloid growing world. Imagine growing psychedelic fruit and what not. Or growing plants that are legal with only illegal bottoms making them nearly impossible for authorities to identify.

Does anyone know how compatible one plant to another is for growing alkaloid containing material? I'm thinking LSA berries, surely there must be some sort of appliciation for thc containing plants. Other ideas, using Khat,coca,iboga the ideas seem endless. Maybe it's just that datura type plants are easier to work with I dont know but this seems like a really cool idea, i just dont know if it's been tried and what the set backs would be.
 
don't get too excited. these plants are closely related and the ability to graft as such is hardly a surprise. you have to stick with relatively closely related plants if you expect this sort of thing. The only thing that comes to mind would be cannabis plants grafted to hops plants. no idea if it'd work, but it's a reasonable place to start.
 
on a quick wiki I found that MG/HBWR are in the same family as belladonna/tomato
 
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right, sorry. just noticed that. Interestingly though, it's in the same family as sweet potato.
 
psychedelic sweet potato pie anyone... HELL 2tha YEAH.
may not work out right, who knows...just some food for thought
I made another post about using tryptophan to boost the alkaloid content too
 
The only thing that comes to mind would be cannabis plants grafted to hops plants. no idea if it'd work, but it's a reasonable place to start
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Yeah, this was done back in the seventies; cannabis stock to hops scion was supposed to produce THC containing hops. But is was BS. Check out THE MARIJUANA GROWERS GUIDE by Mel Frank Ed Rosenthal (google books). In the first edition this method was claimed to work, and the grafting process detailed. In the later editions, this section is amended, indicating the original cannabis part of any hop/cannabis graft will still produce cannabinoids, but the hops won't. Not surprising when it's considered cannabinoids aren't transported through the plant, but are produced by glandular trichromes.
 
I think you could get poisoned and hallucinate even from eating a decent amount of unripe green tomatoes because of solanine; no real need to graft the plant. Same with unpeeled turned green potatoes. Or you can eat something a little less life-threatening like amanita muscaria that grows pretty much everywhere in the woods here in EU.

The idea of psychoactive fruits is quite amusing tho...
 
1. Solanine won't make you hallucinate. It causes (more or less in this order) drowsiness, hyperesthesia , dyspnoea, then nausea, vomiting and finally death, presumably by massive cell lysis in the gastrointestinal tract.
Apart from this, green tomatoes are a special dish in some countries.

2. As a rule of thumb, you can only graft easily plants on other plants from the same family:
- Cannabis sativa & Humulus lupulus (hop) = Cannabaceae
- Solanum lycopersicum (tomato), Solanum tuberosum (potato), Atropa belladonna = Solanaceae
- Argyreia nervosa (HBWR), Ipomoea batatas (sweet potato) = Convolvulaceae​
Exceptions from this rule are known, but it takes considerably more effort and skills though to accomplish.

As Phase Dancer already mentioned, it makes no sense to graft Cannabis onto Humulus, because the cannabinoids are produced mainly in the buds and leaves and are not transported through the plant. Anyway, I wonder how the growth of a Cannabis-plant would be influenced when being grafted on hops. If you have ever seen a hop-plant in nature, you will know that it produces some impressive specimen, reaching easily several meters of height.

The other suggestion was to graft sweet potato onto HBWR. resp. the other way around. What do we know about the biosynthesis of LSA in HBWR? Is the compound or its precursor transported within the plant? If so, one could maybe create LSA-containing sweet potatos. But I have the feeling that it ain't work...*)

- Murphy


*) Edit: I think it won't work indeed. According to Der Marderosian in J Pharm Sci 1973, 62(4), p.588: "No alkaloids could be detected in the vegetative tissues of nonflowering specimens."
 
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Isn't grafting taking cuttings from another plant, then staking them ONTO another plant, to promote growth? This could prove promising, maybe with mescaline containing cacti, as to breed a san pedro/peruvian torch with a cactus that grows very fast to produce super fast mescaline containing cacti.
 
It has nothing to do with breeding. Any seeds or cuttings taken from a grafted plant will have the same characteristics of the part it came from. It does nothing to produce better future plants. That requires... big surprise... selective breeding.
 
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It has nothing to do with breeding. Any seeds or cuttings taken from a grafted plant will have the same characteristics of the part it came from. It does nothing to produce better future plants. That requires... big surprise... selective breeding.
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Well, I agree and disagree here.
First, I agree that it won't yield any plants that can produce a better offspring. The genetic information of the top-plant is not going to be changed.
But I disgree a bit, too. With fruits (e.g. apples, pears), grafting is a very common procedure to provide for example a robust lower part of the plant (in this cases: the tree), like roots that are more resistant to pathogenic fungi; while at the same time providing a more productive upper part of the plant, which produces more tasty and more numerous fruits.

In particular the second issue is something worthy to think about when it comes to grafting. Maybe there is a combination of plants possible that is less susceptible to certain stress factors (pathogens, soil pH, ...) but still provides a high yield of the desired part (seeds, buds, ...). Ideas anyone?

- Murphy
 
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