Anxiety and E

[Pornaddict since '92]

I've noticed that several people have reported the same thing regarding pot triggering the onset of their anxiety. I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a clue as to how pot induces intoxication. (I actually gave up pot a long time ago because I feel too foggy on it.)

It might be worth looking into the how's and why's of THC's effects. Perhaps there is some kind of synergy which occurs in conjunction with MDMA use? (Does anyone here have a working understanding of THC neuropharmacology?)

If you don't mind my asking, what did the physician prescribe for you?

As far as Homeopathy goes, every bone in my body says "quack." OK, now that I've said that...

One of my ex's and I often went to this one Indian restaurant about every other weekend. The food was great, but I swear that part of their ingredients was neutron star material. Because for about two hours after dinner, the food would feel as though it continued to expand in your stomach. And by the time we got home, we'd both be rolling around on the floor pleading for death. (Somehow, after two weeks went by, we'd forget our near death experience and go back for more. :D )

Anyway, Debbie (my ex.) was a grad student in nursing, and had been studying various forms of alternative medicine. And she had several homeopathic remedies lying around for an upset stomach. She'd read a few [off the wall] questions off of this list, and then depending on either my or her answer one of the remedies would be recommended.

What is weird, is that every time she'd give it to me, the feeling that I was about to explode all over the living room wall would immediately stop. Either they we made of anti-neutron star matter (thus canceling out the Indian restaurant's "secret ingredient") or it was one hell of a great placebo effect. Or.. maybe it was even something else?


Anyway, it doesn't matter what one does. If someone goes to a Homeopath and the treatment works, that is what counts.

It's capital mistake to quite marihuana for good....
u should give it a try once in a while.


my opinion bout homeopaths: it only works when u believe in it! if u dont believe in it and u take the medicine it wont work. but i believe in it cuz i m a fuckin moron.

 

[Pornaddict since '92]

If you don't mind my asking, what did the physician prescribe for you?

the truth is ( i dont lie ) that i dont know ... but i wanna find out myself...but i hate to go back to that doctor and ask, he's a jerk IMO ... i took pills over a period of 2 weeks ... after one week I was swalling nine pills a day ( 3 in da morin , 3 in da eve and 3 in around noon ) 3 different pills, different colors but i forgot the names, not a good memory for me.

i was really pissed and didnt knew why i started such a treatment, i guess i was desperate at the time

One of my ex's and I often went to this one Indian restaurant about every other weekend. The food was great, but I swear that part of their ingredients was neutron star material. Because for about two hours after dinner, the food would feel as though it continued to expand in your stomach. And by the time we got home, we'd both be rolling around on the floor pleading for death. (Somehow, after two weeks went by, we'd forget our near death experience and go back for more. :D )

Anyway, Debbie (my ex.) was a grad student in nursing, and had been studying various forms of alternative medicine. And she had several homeopathic remedies lying around for an upset stomach. She'd read a few [off the wall] questions off of this list, and then depending on either my or her answer one of the remedies would be recommended.

What is weird, is that every time she'd give it to me, the feeling that I was about to explode all over the living room wall would immediately stop. Either they we made of anti-neutron star matter (thus canceling out the Indian restaurant's "secret ingredient") or it was one hell of a great placebo effect. Or.. maybe it was even something else?


Anyway, it doesn't matter what one does. If someone goes to a Homeopath and the treatment works, that is what counts.

funny: my grf is also into homeopaths and she loves india too i like the food alot too, they got plenty of vegetarian dishes!!

 

[C10H12N20]

Invalid Usename,

I commend you for your scentific approach to the situation and a balanced approach, but as a person who analizes data for a living, I'll tell you that your analysis suffers from some major flaws, such as sample skew, etc. Unfortunately, there is really no good way to make statistical analysis appropriately, but I will say that I see complaints about panic attacks on bluelight far more often than you are assuming. Since people develop panic attacks for many reasons, there is really no way to say if MDMA is at fault even if MDMA is the only substance that a person took. In my case, I suspect that cessation of alcohol consumption could have been a factor. I notice that when i come down from alcohol, that is when i experience it the most.

So what's my point. I really have none, other than to say that I would like to know what really caused my anxiety to come up and how to overcome it, and not just be the outlier in the unreliable statistic in the MDMA population.

 

[C10H12N20]

Also, I wanted to say that I view at my anxieties as a net-net positive experience. Since panic attacks started my cholesterol went to 185 from 285, and my doctor was raving about my health, where a year go he was complaining about my habits (smoking, drinking, eating fat).

 

[sonic]

Originally posted by s0nic
Post anxiety might be a side effect that some people experience, but like with any drug the side effects are only experienced by a percentage of the user population. Personally I've suffered from anxiety attacks since 1998. I've been using moderate doses of MDMA on occasion, and I don't think that MDMA has affected my anxiety at all. As a matter of fact I took a pill July 3rd, and I haven't had an anxiety attack since I dosed.

I guess I should also note that I haven't taken more than 1 pill in a night, and I only roll about 6-8 times a year.

after my first time i suffered from severe anxiety and i only took 1! so what ur sayin is BS. everyone is different! everyone is unique!

+ the one i took that nite wasnt a "heavy pill" at all, in fact my friend, who was with me ( he 's older and had lots of experience with it ) took 2 at once

Did you read what I posted? All I wrote about was my own personal experience with anxiety and MDMA usage. I didn't try to make any other claims about anything. What did I say that was bullshit?

everyone is different! everyone is unique!

I agree, this is basically what I said.

 

[Invalid Usename]

Invalid Usename,

I commend you for your scentific approach to the situation and a balanced approach, but as a person who analizes data for a living, I'll tell you that your analysis suffers from some major flaws, such as sample skew, etc.

Thanks but I already explained that the numbers I was coming up with were [guest]imations. And was intended to "peek" into the possibilities of this, not to establish this a s a scientific fact at this time.

As someone who as worked in medical research for 20 years, I would like to establish for certain if MDMA does or does not produce anxiety/panic disorders. Without the ability to legally work with MDMA to establish this, the only other method is to apply a public health model (an area I have worked in for 8 out of my 20 years in medical research).

I have several reasons for wanting to determine this. One of them is that I believe MDMA may have a chance at one day being decriminalized (please, let's not start a discussion on whether that is feasible or not). The other reason, is to [hopefully] dispel fears which some MDMA users appear to have in that they are a walking time bomb (these fears are the result of the few who have reported them).

I will openly admit that I am biased, I do not believe that MDMA is directly responsible for producing anxiety/panic disorders. But if I were to find that the data does not support my bias then I am willing to change my mind about this.


If you analyze data for a living, perhaps you would like to join me in establishing whether there is a problem or not. What do you do for a living that you analyze statical data?

 

[SYDspeedcore]

you cant say the incidence to mdma use and panic disorder has no positive relationship simply based on the number of posts on bluelight, nor can u do this off the top of your head... like any statistical study u need to take a sample population of ecstacy users and non ecstacy users 100 of each lets say and give them a questionare to fill out and then from the data draw a conclusion.

just looking at the number of posts and doing it off the top of your head has many problems
1.its inacurate
2.people who dont post may post differently to people who do post
3.people who dont post may not because they feel that all their questions have been answered

in my opinion i think ecstacy use does trigger panic disorder in people who are predisposed to it, im one of these unfortunate souls and have had to quit pot, meth, mdma, cut down on alchole and go on ssri's just to get a hold of it.

what i just said has proble been covered but i couldnt b bothered reading thru all the posts

 

[Invalid Usename]

you cant say the incidence to mdma use and panic disorder has no positive relationship simply based on the number of posts on bluelight

Would you please read what I wrote! 8(

For one thing, I've never said that MDMA could not trigger a panic attack in someone who is already predisposed to it. In fact, I even offered a theory as to why that could occur.

I am talking about producing anxiety/panic disorders in non-afflicted people.

what i just said has proble been covered but i couldnt b bothered reading thru all the posts

Well, you could at least have bothered to read mine (as in, the one directly above your's) before posting a reply. 8)

 

[C10H12N20]

Invalid Usename,

I was not trying to say that you are suggesting your numbers are accurate. However, and to answer your question, I run an investment firm and deal a lot with data that has unreliable statistics. For one I can say, I always freak out when data has unreliable statistics and there are specific numbers present in the analysis. People tend to forget about disclaimers and assume that the numbers are right, especially when you give something to n-th decimal point. That's just human psychology.

I would definitely be interested in collecting such data. The problem is like you said how, given the legal status of the drug. I wonder if Dr. Mithoefer has done some work before he got his approval.

You definitely seem to have impressive background in medical research, maybe we should move this discussion into private...

 

[C10H12N20]

For some reason, I just doubt I was predisposed to these anxiety attacks. Never had psychological problems, definitely have a lot of stress in my everyday life, maybe that caused it, who knows... i still think e is awesome...

 

[Invalid Usename]

Anxiety and panic disorders are most commonly neurological in origin (at least in cases where they suddenly occur spontaneously). Although they can be induced as a result of high stress or trauma.

To the best of my knowledge no one has studied this. And it hasn't been reported in after effect of animal test subjects, either.

Anyway, sure. Let's continue this via PM.

Thanks :D

 

[Pornaddict since '92]

Although they can be induced as a result of high stress .

I agree with u... this is what happened to me 3 years ago

i wouldnt call it a trauma