Anxiety after mdma use. Zopiclone?

[adamn]

Hey everyone. I decided to register so I could explain my problem.

I've used MDMA a few times before, in the last 6 months me and my friends have been rolling quite often but have spaced out our rolls every 1 1/2 to 2 months.

3 weeks ago it was my friend's birthday and we took some then, I felt okay the next few days because it was pure mdma powder and didn't really feel depressed. I made a huge mistake by taking another pill with different friends exactly a week later. Again, I felt okay the next few days (sat and sun) but as the days progressed I got some bad anxiety about a week later and I am currently suffering derealization and some mild anxiety.

It really shot up last tuesday and has decreased every day. I read some other threads last night where a user called futura mentioned to stay away from all drugs for a while and I wil be doing this as i had 1 glass of wine last night which made me very panicky.

I've went through panic/derealisation before following mdma and ketamine use. But I was wondering if it would be okay to take a zopiclone or valerian root? As they effect the GABA receptors and aren't as full on as a substance like weed or alcohol on the brain?

I would quite like the zopiclone to fix my sleeping pattern - Currently i'm sleeping at 3am (when I feel most calm) and waking at 12 - 1 PM. I took 3 valerians a few nights ago and they didn't do much, I think I've built a tolerance to them

Or will this hinder my recovery?

I'm taking fis oil omega 3 and have ordered some piracetamol too.

Hope I can get over this soon.

 

[Darksidesam]

Hey, I would like to guide you through and help you out.

Can you please answer me a few questions?
1. What kind of doses did you take?
2. Did you test your mdma/ how sure are you it was mdma
3. Do you use other drugs atm? (cannabis for example)

 

[adamn]

1. 3 weeks ago I had about 3 parachutes of mdma. Whatever the average amount is in a parachute. Probably about 1000MG? Does that sound normal? Week later I had about 2 pills with 1000MG in them each. I was dabbing that' why i'm saying roughly 3/2 pills.

2. Didn't test but the guy we got it off the first week is a good friend of ours so we trust him and have taken it from him many times. Second time was from my friend's boyfriend who is a dealer and couldn't sell them because they got crushed. He took some with us and assured us there was about 1000mg of mdma in them. I think they were possibly cut with speed too because for a while after coming up I was chatting to everyone really fast and then I started feeling a bit tired and anxious, I took another dab and felt fine.

3. I smoked a weak joint a few days ago and didn't feel anything. On Friday evening I drank 2 coffees and then had a pint of beer about 3hours later and it made me anxious. Last night too I drank a glass of wine and it made me feel really derealised and that made me panic. So I think taking those things are hindering my recovery. I was just wondering about things that work on GABA receptors like valerian roots or zopiclones

 

[Darksidesam]

Probably about 1000MG? Does that sound normal? Week later I had about 2 pills with 1000MG in them each.

Taking a wild guess i assume you mean 100mg. Which is a more normal amount, 1000mg = a gram and thats a stupidly high dose a gram lasts me months.

Last night too I drank a glass of wine and it made me feel really derealised and that made me panic.

On Friday evening I drank 2 coffees and then had a pint of beer about 3hours later and it made me anxious

Remember Caffeine and Alcohol are both Drugs.
Dont feed your fragile mindstate drugs. What you need is the right diet and exercise as well as rest.

Some things that will help you, are possible Tryptophan foods : http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/entries/...equire-lower-dose-and-lessen-have-no-comedown
Camomile tea may help you lower your anxiety, I assume your from england , asda sell camomile tea.
Valerian is another one to ease your anxiety, i have a tub of that myself

I always use a test kit for absolute peace of mind. I don't trust noone. I use a reagent test kit, buy a gram or 2 and that lasts me ages (100mg dose max each time)
As for the cannabis, maybe avoid that too atm, you want as little things in this equation as possible,

I hope this helps and PM me if you need any more help.
Be careful with sleepers and other stuff. They can be very addictive!

 

[adamn]

Thanks mate.

Yeah it was around 100mg my thinking is cloudy when I'm like this.

Yeah I've been eating a banana and chocolate soy milk every day to help with the trytophan and yes I have my own supply of camomile to cool me down.

However the problem is that I took 3 valerian roots on wednesday and I felt very little effect from them. I had been taking them about 2 days before as well. Do you think i've built a tolerance? I've been taking them 2 doses once a week for just over a month.

I will try and sleep tonight without any aid but just as a last resort, do you think the zopiclone would hinder my anxiety or does it act in the same way a valerian root would?

Again thanks for the help, it has cheered me up a bit to see positive advice.

 

[Darksidesam]

Valerian Root is a mild herb remember, And don't try taking loads to get an effect.
Get on the Camomile i'd say. It helps calm the nerves, i make it with stevia instead of sugar, in a teapot haha 2 teabags.

Im in same boat as you today, im running out of weed so i havent toked today ill struggle to sleep i know lol
We need Roman Chamomile (the german one is less sedating)

 

[adamn]

Thanks for your help. Right now i'm eating and drinking for nutrition and necessity rather than pleasure. I just stuck two bags of camomile in a cup and drank it without sugar or milk.

A little update:

I've been exercising a lot daily and only eating nutritious foods like eggs, vegetables, liver, fruits etc. Drinking plenty of water and some powerade after I exercise. The day before yesterday my anxiety started giving me headaches and blurry vision, it freaked me out because I thought something was wrong. Last night too, it shot up because I was just getting random and very mild blunty headaches at different parts of my head and blurry vision and some derealisation.


So I took a zopiclone to try it out. It didn't knock me out like I hear it does for some people. I cut a 7.5mg pill in half and took the first half around 11 and the second around 12. I felt a tiny bit wobbly and could feel it interfere with my balance. It gave me a great sleep but best of all when I took it it immediatly reduced my blurry vision and sore head and just made me feel very "normal".

Not a high sensation just a very bland and ok one. I was feeling a bit depressed before taking it, not majorly but the kind of depressed that makes you say "i just want a little cry". In other words I felt fragile, this was due to me thinking that i'd never be normal again. Again the zopiclone got rid of that.

So today I woke up, didn't suffer ANY amnesia problems like some people do on zopiclone. I have had very small amounts of anxiety today and still feel derealised but I do feel much happier today and much more confident that i'll fully recover soon. If I have 0 anxiety attacks from 7PM-11PM then i'll know i've done especially well because that means it's subsiding quickly.

I may take a zopiclone tonight if I feel anxious but I feel like I don't need it right now. yesterday my anxiety was about 7.5/10 and today it's probably a 3 - depending on how the rest of the day goes. My doc advised me not to take it over 3 times in a row so that there's no chance I get hooked. I have a minimal amount too.

Any thanks darksidesam, i'm sure i'll be back here the next time I roll . In the meantime i'm gonna try and help out other members that go through this.

 

[Darksidesam]

Glad you've been able to feel normal again.

I'd be careful about throwing other drugs onto this problem, what about the camomile does that help with the anxiety? (make sure you dont use camomile and benzos together or sleepers, not a good mix/ unsafe)

 

[adamn]

Yeah I get super paranoid about mixing things so I either decide to take the valerian+camomile or the zopiclone. I have only taken the zopiclone once now, and will save the rest the next time I get a week of bad anxiety (probably next time I have a big weekend, but not for a while). I can see how they could be addictive. I'm quite disciplined and don't have a very addictive personality, so the zops are going away for now.