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Anxeity - how long???

By the way, anyone wanting to try relaxation therapy should go to www.moodgym.anu.edu.au. The de-stress section has an excellent audio on it. In fact the whole site is brilliant for anxiety and depression, it outlines Cognitive Behavioural Therapy in what I think is a really effective way.

It takes a while to go through the whole site, and I would advise doing a bit at a time.
 
help!

Bluelight Members,

I’m coming to you all for some help and advice. First let me start with a background. I started using ecstasy my junior year in high school. March of 2000. The first night I used was at a school function. The night blew me away, I never felt so close to a group of people in my life, for the first time I felt accepted, worthwhile, in fact, beautiful. I didn’t want the feeling to end and it didn’t for 3 years. I don’t know exactly how many pills I’ve used, all I that I know is that it's been a lot. This drug was a significant part of my life.

Ecstasy became my centerpiece. I would preach to people the beauty I found in the substance, how it made me feel, the benefits. With a copy of PIHKAL in one hand and a baggie of pills in the other, I’d dose at just about any occasion I could. Private parties, dance parties, clubs, pubs, anywhere. I felt like I was doing no wrong, now I relate it to the arrogance of my youth. I had no idea what havoc I was inflicting on my body until now.

I’ve been a casual user of drugs all of my life. I’ve used coke, enough pot to kill a small country, ecstasy, mescaline, 2CB, alcohol, mushrooms, prescription pills, etc… In my use of drugs it was always my intent to reach a higher spiritual plane, or to fix myself. Perhaps, to fix my insecurities, or to medicate myself from feeling. I would take ecstasy for meditative purposes, trying to fix things that I felt I’d fucked up in the past. Like an attitude or how I’d been acting, I used the drug to step outside of myself. I used it as a tool to look inside. Or maybe I just used to accept myself. I wasn’t the most popular kid growing up, I was made fun of in grade school to middle school and I was always looking to fit in. I guess ecstasy was my satori. It didn’t stop there though.

Around January of 2003, white doves surfaced in my area. These pills were the end all MDA pills. The dose was so high that you’d be out of your mind for 10+ hours. One evening I took 4, and woke to my buddy shaking me. It was 6 AM and I was just falling asleep. My parents were at the door; my grandmother had died in the night. I woke up really fast; in fact I hadn’t even fallen asleep yet. I glanced at the mirror before I went to greet them in their car, my eyes were still fucked. They were dilated with the bags underneath, a beautiful cast of purple. Now you think that sitting and watching my family a wreck, and me sitting there sobbing my eyes out with sunglasses on, would have changed things. An experience like this would have made anyone in their right mind stop using. It made me stop for awhile, for about 4 months. Then I was back at it. I remember being at a party thinking fuck it, swallowing one whole and waiting for the shit to start.

Trying to go higher, seeing how much more we could take, last summer my friends and I would get random drugs. We were trying to achieve a Shulgin like essence. (a ++++, as he states in his book. “one with god”) One night last summer one of the drugs was 2CB. I feel it may have changed me forever and not how I’d wanted it to.

After dosing in the basement, I crawled upstairs and sat on my buddy’s couch. The world was shifting, moving, undulating, all around me. My body felt like it was a river of energy. I was getting ready for a very beautiful experience when it all shifted. I got tightness in my neck that unnerved me. I shut my eyes. Opening them I was in a different room. Wait a second, wasn’t I just on the couch? Now with a pool stick in my hand and my friend saying it’s your shot, I felt like I was going to be sick. How the hell did I get down here? At that point I walked upstairs. I felt like I was loosing consciousness. I remember thinking shit I did too much. So then I walked outside, unable to keep my balance, I felt like the deck under me was rocking as a boat would. My whole world was turning upside down and I was scared shitless. I grabbed one of my friends and told him I was losing it, that I needed help. Now this is where the timeline of the night shifted. I remember opening my eyes, each time in a different room with my friend over me trying to calm me. From here on out the timeline kept repeating, I was so delusional that I had convinced myself that I had died. I couldn’t remember where I was, who I was or that I had done a drug at at all. I was sure of it, no drug could be this powerful. I remember nothing of the drug or it’s effects, just being in and out of consciousness and thinking, god if this ends, if I’m okay, I’ll never do drugs again, I promise. When you’re in moments of shear terror, it’s easy to promise god anything. Ended up, I awoke again on the couch with my body literally feeling as if it was filling up. Like I was being put back into my body. I looked down and I had a xbox controller in my hand and I was playing Halo. I stepped outside and lit a cigarette, thankful to be alive. That moment scarred me. Even today I still can’t get it out of my head. Then again, it was only last summer and time heals all, right?

Now, fast forward to January 2004. This month was the end of my ecstasy. I used with my girlfriend and a group of friends. It was fun, we laughed, we took a lot. The next day I got a call from my mother about going to the cemetery, the previous day that I dosed, was the one year anniversary of my grandmother’s death. Hearing this brought back all kinds of emotion. I decided this is it; I can’t do this shit anymore. And I haven’t.

The weekends after though, I felt like a dark cloud had consumed my life. For the first time I was anxiety ridden, I still am. I will have bouts of de-realization, where I’ll focus on the 2cb night, how this can’t be happing, what if I go back into that, what if I have a flashback? Or that I’ll never achieve my life’s goals. Really shit thoughts that I feel like I can’t control. Like worthless, useless, etc. The months following January 2004 have been sad. I’ve taken alcohol, all kinds of benzo type pills trying to fight this social anxiety. In school I would be nervous to the point where I thought that I’d die if I spoke in front of the class. Now come June, it’s my 21st birthday and I still feel like shit. One of my buddy’s that I used to party with had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. All my friends of the past, I haven’t seen in forever. I still have my health and I still have my girlfriend, but I just feel depressed. I’ve just now started biofeedback to combat my anxiety problem. I only drink occasionally now and I’ve been straight for the past 6 months. My question to you all is will I make a recovery? Will I be the outgoing fun loving person that I once was? Will the anxiety ever go away? Am I going mad? Is there anything else I can do to help this problem? Help please, I’m sick of feeling this way… I can’t even look at my own friends or family in the face without feeling like a fake… What now? I guess this post could fit under here as well.
 
uforic I can tell you first hand that you can recover as much as you want to.

My story isn't exactly the same as yours, but it is very similar, and the effects you suffer from are almost identical.

I am about 10 months further down the line than you, and let me tell you I have got so much better :)

Your life will return to you, but it isn't going to be a walk in the park getting there. There are 2 things that I am going to tell you that are far more important than anything else you need to hear (in my opinion). The first of these is that there is nothing wrong with you, other than you have a psychological condition. You are not going mad, and you do not have brain damage. Psychological conditions are of course serious, but they are also very curable. A person of your age, and with your motivation (you are here actively trying to get youself better, for which you should be proud - many people just wallow in their own self pity and do nothing) and don't appear to have any other factors holding you back from recovery.

I really want to inforce the point that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with you, simply because I myself suffered heavily in the belief that drugs (mainly ecstasy - I too used very heavily) had damaged my brain permanently. It was this thought that contributed a great deal to my anxiety, not really surprising when you consider how horrifying a notion it is.

Your post pefectly describes the profile of a person very predisposed to anxiety, and to a lesser degree depression. I am the same, and we both probably took ecstasy (and other drugs) for the reason that we wanted temporary relief.

Whilst you were reguarly taking the drugs, you were 'shielded' from the world and mental disorders because you always had drugs to look forward to. Once out of the game, and chemically unbalanced (temporarily) it was easy for you to sink into this anxiety, from which it is hard to escape. Like me, even once your brain had retured to a state of normalacy, you had dug such a deep hole you couldn't get out of it.

But here's where the other important part comes in. The only thing that keeps you in this 'hole', or cycle of anxiety is your thoughts. You need to read up about CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) - it describes how your emotions work. Basically everything you feel is created by your thoughts, and people with anxiety or depression have distorted thinking. You can change this, but like me you will have to work very hard at it because you have lived with these distorted thought patterns your entire life. Please don't dismiss CBT, whatever your feelings are about therapy this is a well establised science and is becoming the main way of treating anxiety and depression with equal rates of success as medicines.

...talking of which, you may want to take one. I am currently on Mirtazapine (UK=Zispin, US&Eurpope=Remeron), and I think it does help. You need to see a psychiatrist, and no doubt he will put you on an antidepressant of some sort (if you want to) and point you in the right direction for therapy. I really would insist you take CBT though, and not the type of therapy where you just talk about you feelings and you past.

It has been proven that the best rates of recovery come from utilising therapy with antidepressants, but I see no harm in just trying therapy on its own first. There is a chance you may respond badly to medication, but there is very little chance you will get any negative effects from therapy.

The only other factor really is time. There is no doubt that a lot of my recovery has come from that in itself. I'm not sure why, maybe the brain just takes ages to settle down after a scare like this. My derealisation took ages to fade, but it's like watching a pot boil. I look back now and I haven't had it in full effect for a few months, but it seems like only yesterday I was in that mind-fog constantly. I don't know what to tell you about derelisation really, since it is the part that confuses me the most. I think it is basically your brain protecting you from the intense anxiety. My therapist and psyhciatrist tell me it is a form of anxiety, which I no doubt believe, but the thing is I am often my least anxious when my derealisation is at it's most intense :\

So in summary, I consider your outlook good, and very good if you put the effort in. Learn to relax, and don't give in to feelings of hoplessness. You may take 2 years to feel normal again I know that I could do with another 6 months or so to be at a stage I am happy with. I know thats a scarily long amount of time, but don't put your life on hold, do evrything you want to now. You may take much less time anyway, it all depends on the individual.

Concentrate on those thoughts you have. Just looking at your post I can see you are viewing your life with a lot of regret and fearful anticipation. Don't feel so bad about your drug use, and don't expect to quit forever. If you do, and then you crumble you will feel all the worse for it. You haven't done anything wrong, you never meant to do this to yourself. Think of the good things in your life. It may seem as though everything has changed, but it hasn't really. This isn't the calaminty it seems, it only appears that way because of the outlook on life you have at the moment.

I realise there's a lot of information there, and if have any questions then don't hesistate to ask - PM or in this thread.
 
on the eve of my birthday all i can say is thank you for your thoughts. they mean more than you know. there's no one i could turn to, to tell the whole story to. in all honesty, except strangers. and entrusting the advice of strangers is a thing on it's own. now, a light at the end of the tunnel is what i'm looking for, is all i'm looking for. i know there will be trials and a long road ahead. i would just dread if there was a tunnel at the end of the tunnel. hope is better than nothing. again, thank you.
 
Hi there uforic,

I think monkyfunky has really said it all.

All I can do is stress what monkyfunky said is take some time out to think of the good things in life - I know sometimes when I'm working (I do a lot of driving around) that if I feel myself getting tense I just look around me at the countryside that I'm driving though and had not been noticing and think of the good things in life.

Also think about how good your family/friends are etc when they do something nice for you and try to keep that in mind.

You have to keep telling yourself that there is a light at the end of the tunnel - it may take some time and sometimes have some bad days, but you WILL get there.

Just try to focus on the good things and forget the bad things in life.

Good luck.
 
Nice post monkyfunky, I agree with everything you said.
I've had just 3 weeks of CBT and already feel immensely better. You need to realise although anxiety is a serious condition, it becomes easy to catastrophise(sp?) (think the worst) of events that you've done and anything you are going to be doing in the future. All you need to know is that the condition you have has to be treated like it is now. Disregard the past (the negative parts) and concentrate on the future and how you're going to bring yourself out of anxiety. You need to apply your positive coping mechanism to anything that causes you anxiety to help you through. Feelings never last forever and it's the same with anxiety. The best thing my therapist told me is that conditions like anxiety and depression although it feels like you are losing your mind, you aren't - they aren't anything like psychotic illnesses and they never will be.
With anxiety and depression, you have the power to influence your thoughts - and change your thought patterns. You need to do activities that give you constant positive reinforcement. Set goals and achieve them, work on building your self esteem back up
It's definitely not easy - but the longer you ignore it, the worse it will get!

I suggest reading a book called "Beating the Blues" by Susan Tanner and Jillian Ball. Concentrates on Cognitive Thought, I felt instantly better after reading it and haven't even started medication (may not need to)

=D
 
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Dionysius said:

I suggest reading a book called "Beating the Blues" by Susan Tanner and Jillian Ball. Concentrates on Cognitive Thought, I felt instantly better after reading it and haven't even started medication (may not need to)

=D
Good call. I forgot about reading material - very important.

Please let me suggest firstly;

"Feeling Good (The New Mood Therapy)" by David D. Burns M.D. This is the bible of someone learning CBT. It is quite a big read, and you will use it more as a referance manual than a lesson, but please buy it.

The other book that helped me a lot was "Been there, done that? Do this!" by Sam Obitz. You will have to search for this online and buy it from the authors website as it is n't a big seller. This book is great because it is written from a previous sufferer and concentrates more on anxiety than depression (the burns book counts anxiety as a form of depression). This book is very short, and a great introduction to the Burns book.

The benefits you will imeadiately gain from these books is the ability to know whether your therapist is teaching you genuine CBT, or being a cheeky git and calling himself a CBT therapist and actually giving you old fashioned therapy...

Good luck mate, you will get over this and learn so much more about your anxiety giving you the chance to be mentally healthier than you ever have been.
 
monkyfunky said:
Cheers. Can you outline exaclt how you breath, to relax yourself? I don't think I've mastered this at all yet.

I have been doing some relaxation therapy, and I did feel myself relaxing quite a bit (for prob the first time in many years).
Hard Trance, this post got kinda lost in all that! If you could direct me, I would be very grateful...

cheers,

MF.
 
Sorry about that mate - I think I missed it at the end of page 4.

When you are doing the slow breathing you just breath in slowly for a couple of seconds until your lungs are full but not straining yourself. When breathing in concentrate and think there is good clean air coming in.

When you breath out also do this over a couple of seconds and imagine that there is all the stress in your body being blown out with the air and that how relaxed you feel after woods.

Hope this helps.
 
uforic - your in for one hell of a long ride but you will get through this

don't put pressure on yourself to get better, work on a month by month basis - it took years to get like this, it may unfortunatly take years to get back to normal - but the main thing is to remeber you will get better it takes lots of time and work

you won't get better though sitting around doing nothing, you have to every day work towards getting better by practicing relaxation constantly, doing some Cognitive stuff to change your thinking process, maybe medication, and no party drugs ever again... not worth the risk

Dionysius - I'm from Aus to, I'm pretty sure you would be able to get Buspar
Go to a GP and discuss it with them. Buspar was the self disgnosed medication I thought I needed but when I went to the doc, he ended up prescribing other stuff

My progress - feeling good, heaps better - I have started doing yoga now and meditation and it helps immensley - the other day I had about one hour of feeling awesome, no anxiety and feeling really good - then I lost it but it felt good - I think I am at that stage that hard trance described where it just clicks (during the relaxtion discussion forum part) - only happens though when you atually do it, reading about it is nothing compared to actually practicing to relax
 
Just checking in and seeing how everyone is going... Be back lateron with some info on free services in Melbourne Australia on Anxiety and pannick attacks... I bought a great book yesterday on this... Ill update with heaps more info.. till then stay anxiety free...
 
feeling TONS better, getting by one day at time. yesterday was 3 weeks of no smoking cigs. haven't touched drugs in 6 months. living healthy, eating right, exercise, they all seem to be helping. im not at 100% but i feel like everyday it gets better. goodluck to all of you, and chin up.
 
Hi there.

I'm still feeling great - although I have had a couple of times where I've had to try to relax over the past 2 months or so (guess it's the stress of getting married at the end of August with not enough time in the day to do everything + lots of money going out).

I've done a couple of pills since I started feeling ok and have been fine, but am still going to keep the quantity/frequency low.

Will have to see how I am next week as I'm off to Ibiza next Thursday for a few days (still not going to rag it though).
 
Hey

Glad to feel your feeling better

I have being feeling 58 times better! I have being doing daily practice of yoga and meditation and I feel fantastic afterwards

I still carry the anxiey around with me but in a small form, and I don't let it run me, I just acknowledge it and it it goes pretty much most of the time

I'm still not back to the same way I was before all this happened but I am getting back into the normal things I used to do all the time and heading back to my normal job as well which is excellent for me. (at the moment I have being not working in my chosen career) That's the thing that most concerned me

Anyway thanks Hard trance as you got me motivated to do the relaxation and that works wonder,s but it really takes 6 weeks + every day practice, even now I sometimes don't feel relaxed afterwards, but most of the time I am, where as before I was never relaxed

KEEP PRACTING PEOPLE ;)

(still not going to do any more pills though every, don't want to fuck all this up even though I'd proably be ok, just don't want to risk it... It's good old grog for me from now on)
 
oh yes these are some really great positive words.. great to hear..

Myself... Been really well... Still have my nights when I feel out of breath and nervus and when I go out to a club I get a little bit anxirty but things are great.. Im getting things done and Im loving life again...

Keep well..

lahlah xoxo
 
awesome glad to hear it, shit I thought I'd never feel this good ever again. It feals unreal!!!!
 
Great to hear that you are feeling a lot better eng.

Keep up with the relaxation etc and hopeflly the anxiety will disappear totally.

Good luck.
 
I have fallen back into a little bit of a stress head... but I have my books and aromotherpy to get me through.. Ive done it all on my own now, Ive had no help!! Im off meds for good now and I hope that the next week of my life will be some what different.. I want to forget the past and want the future to hold some really fuking awsome things..

lahlah xoxo
 
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