Antipsychotics vs benzos w/d

[Anon54]

im sufereing ferom insomnia . i mean i go the night without sleep sometimes
i can take 80mg diaz & not feel tired eben after months of no benzos. but if i take half the presribed dose of seroquel 100mg is knocks my out way straonger.

antipychotics are stronger. theres no dought about it.
200mg seroquel & i have to straight away go to bed.

so benzos wd is worse?
how can a weaker drug have a stronger w/d than antipychotics?

im contemplating taking benzos or antipychotics but with my eesperience i get worse rebound insomnia from seroqel.

so u think i should stick with the antipychtics whifch are dtronger or go back to the weaker benzos?

my question is, is benzos w/d worse than antipychotic wd because i can tell u antipychotics are alot more sedating & it owuld only make sense that it's insomnia rebound would be worse than benzos.

but i might be wrong. could someone clear this up?

 

[d3Xo-fan]

As far as I know Seroquel / Quetiapine doesn't give you WDs. The benzos give WDs because, among other things, they stimulate the part of your brain that gives you pleasure, thus the recreational value like euphoria (which Seroquel doesn't offer). I'd stick with Seroquel. In fact my doc gives me 100mg Seroquel to take at night. Sometimes I don't and sometimes I only take 50mg, but then I'm not an insomniac.

You could also experiment with antihistamines like Promethazine or I've found tetracyclic antidepressants like Mirtazapine to be sedating aswell, but promethazine would probably work better for you.

 

[rangrz]

antipsychotics can have a w/d marked by diskinesia's, insomnia, weight loss/feelings of sickness, anxiety, and worst of all, psychosis, as your brain is adapted to the DA/NE/5HT block, and now, BAM its flooded. But its not as severe or dangerous as benzo WD's and I guarantee you that olazapine, quetiapine and the old school chlorpromazine will knock your ass out better then benzo's and in low dosages used for sleep, are very safe.
The rebound insomnia is not as bad due to how they act...benzo's act on the fundamental inhibitory neurotransmitter, AP's act on ones more linked to emotion and thought process then basic autonomic regulation.

 

[Anon54]

^^ i used promethazine for a long time & i cant beleive it's otc
.had 80mg temazepam tonight. barel felt anything
the last wek i havnt been able to sleep. think its antipychotic wd. ive been using zyprexa for a while i used benzos for 6 months wd wernt to bad. although i tappered. now i just take em when i can get em. a 25 pack of temaazepam will only last me 3 days. yet i have a script for 60 or 80 i think 100mg seroquel with repeats. using APs every night has got to be worse than taking chillin on on benzos for a while. right?

IMWE the seroquel w/d has been worse but i just may be a little sick lately. eveyone gets insomnia from time to time..

The main thing i wanna be sure that AP w/d isnt has bad as a fewe temazepam a night even though it like 5 times more sedating even though it doesnt reduce stress. havin a solid nights sleep reduces anxiety.

i noticed temazepam doesnt give me the confidence valium does. which is a healthly confidence. xanax was over kill i was walkin around talkin to stranges sometimes. yet i did alot of jogging on xanax. weird cuz its a downer but it gives me. but i dont like xanax cuz of its strong but rebound effects. half-life is to short & has an abrupt turn around quick unlike valium which is m favourite so far. temazepam just makes me feel normal but not that little bit of onfidence i got from valium.
it's good to know i have seroquel available for insomnia. i mean the shit is strong. i was stoned one time & took only 150mg & i was wasted. like being really drunk before ya go to bed.
its good to know that such a strong drug has little w/d. i suppose it makes sense because seroquel doesnt really help anxiety but i good nights sleep does help alot. althoug it has side effects i cant stand not sleeping for days..

honestly i NEED to take somthing sometimes. ive been dianosed with anxiety. & i wanna make the right med choice if benzos are gunna cause me more trouble in the future than what its worth than i'll go with the APs. (but APS are for every night when i just wanna take benzos occationly) i dunno what to take.

theres alot of ppl who say dont take drugs.& i dont wanna but i can only take so much. its horrible getting very light sleep when i do sleep.

i wake up feeling fatigued with aches & pain. i havnt had any codeine for weeks but i had some today. trying to quit... man i thought codeine w/d was easy but after taking it long tern it can have some very unconfertable w/d. ive had gastro intersinal problems lately.

not sure weather its the codeine or if i got food posioning or something but ive quit codeine many time but this time im having really bad stomach problems. not sure codeine is the problem cuz it doesnt make sense cuz its only this time ive stopped. all the other times ive quit its been tolerable.
if it is codeine w/d than its not the innocent drug i once thought it was.
its probably not the codeine upsetting my stomach. more my unhealy. barely eat anything. not exercise & heavy smoking causing it.

tried the mirtazepine. not as strong as phenergan as a sedative & it makes me dream the whole night. its kinda pychodelic & a weird sense.

anyways hopefully with the pack of temazepam i got it'll help me break this insomnia cycle.
otherwise its back on the antipychotics which are more effective than mirtazepine for insomnia.
wiki does say mirtazepine is supperior over ssris. mirtazepine makes ya tired because its any antihistamine so is serioquel so it may be beter than mirtazepine so i dont get any weird dreams that last all night. wiki states unlike ssris than reduse REM sleep mirtazepine increases it.

anyone reccomend a good treatment for severe insomnia that isnt gunna fuck me up more than its worth in the futre. btw i really do need to take something sometimes. u'll understand if u havnt sleeped at all in a few days after a week of barely getting any rest.

 

[Anon54]

antipsychotics can have a w/d marked by diskinesia's, insomnia, weight loss/feelings of sickness, anxiety, and worst of all, psychosis, as your brain is adapted to the DA/NE/5HT block, and now, BAM its flooded. But its not as severe or dangerous as benzo WD's and I guarantee you that olazapine, quetiapine and the old school chlorpromazine will knock your ass out better then benzo's and in low dosages used for sleep, are very safe.
The rebound insomnia is not as bad due to how they act...benzo's act on the fundamental inhibitory neurotransmitter, AP's act on ones more linked to emotion and thought process then basic autonomic regulation.

i ddint see ya msg thatnks for the advice. i might go with the seroquel rather than chase of benzos which a pack dont even last anyway so it isnt practical.
its not like it life threatening to stop APs.
its just weird that the most powerful sedative ive tried hasnt got as bad wd as benzos. i always thought. the stronger the drug. the stronger the w/d..
the 80mg of temazepam tonight isnt cutting it. i dont even feel calm just a little bit more myself.
i need a good sedating antihistamine of an AP to do the trick for the nights of getting no sleep.
thanks for clearing things up for me.

 

[Anon54]

do u think the wd from seroquel taken every night for a few months be worse wd tha taking say 40mg a valium a week for a few months. (only used for when i get really bad anxiety)?

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Benzodiazepine withdrawals are worse because they effect the GABA receptors which is responsible for muscle movement so after years of relaxing your muscles via over sedation they go spastic when you stop abruptly which causes withdrawals like seizures, convulsions, tremor, etc. Antipsychotics don't have affinity at the GABA receptors. The only drugs that can have fatal withdrawals are the ones that effect the GABA receptors. Withdrawals from antipsychotics are mild. Doesn't matter how "powerful" the drug is.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

^This.

Anon54, you've had four or five threads asking the same question, or continuing discussion about the same question. I'm going to close this thread, please refer to this merged thread when talking about sedatives, benzos vs. antipsychotics and WDs, etc.